Escape from New York (Remake)

[Advanced Dark]

^ No Red but honestly why "continue" to talk about movies you're not looking forward to in a forum where the majority are looking forward to it? Unless you're just trying to ruffle some feathers. If you're not looking forward to it how long does it take you to say that. Does someone need to keep coming back saying "this sucks" every day?

Edit: Now if this WAS a movie you WERE looking foward to and it sucked...that's what the review threads are for. A few people are complaining about this project when they don't know anything about it yet. I say before you whine about it let's see at least who's directing it.

Nobody forces anyone to go to these forums or threads. I'm only subscribed to less than 50 threads total. You won't see me going to threads about movies I don't want to watch whining about not wanting to see it.

 

[DorkyFresh]

Advanced Dark...you and i agree that the Escape remake should be remade but i'm gonna tell you the same thing i told you in the Ghost Rider forum...


...you really should quit telling people to go away if they don't like something. the whole reason there are forums is for people to discuss things. if everyone here agreed on everything then these forums would be worthless. you might not agree with them but everytime you tell people to go away just because they don't like a certain movie it makes you look like a child who can't have his way.

seriously...stop with that crap.

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ Look....there is NO point for someone to come here on a regular basis and keep saying how they're NOT looking forward to this movie. That's what I was talking about. If someone doesn't like the topic...move on. If you're in a thread about a movie that you're not looking forward to then that person should go away. Why linger around a thread to keep stating over and over how you're not looking forward to it or that it sucks.

The one exception to me is a review thread or a thread specifically about being dissapointed in it. However EFNY hasn't been made yet, there's no director, no release date, the script isn't done, no other actors attached, no plot synopsis other than what we already know from the first film and the added bit about the back history.

If someone routinely visits this thread only to complain about the topic I'm gonna to speak my mind too then. If the GR forums it was a review thread and the same people made there review and said it sucked. Then every day they kept coming back to say it sucked and really nothing much more. The people who enjoyed it talked about the parts they enjoyed in details and the parts they didn't like so much in detail. But if all you have to say is "this sucks" every damn day...then it's time to get a life.

Imagine you went to a restaurant and ate it and didn't like it at all. So you post your review and talk about how bad it was. Then every day you post a one line review in the same paper "I don't want to go there again. It sucks." Over and over and over and over and over. I think you'd be out of a job. If there was a movie I hated and I visited that thread every day just to talk about how bad it was I'd be just looking to start trouble after I've made my point.

 

[Flexo]

^ No Red but honestly why "continue" to talk about movies you're not looking forward to in a forum where the majority are looking forward to it? Unless you're just trying to ruffle some feathers. If you're not looking forward to it how long does it take you to say that. Does someone need to keep coming back saying "this sucks" every day?

That seems a little presumptuous.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Flexo nothing presumptuous about it at all.

I was speaking about this forum which has a poll attached. and the majority that have voted in the poll are positive about Butler's addition. Only one person is totally against it and he's against everything not related to Spiderman or Peter Jackson. THe rest are undecided. Majority means majority. Maybe that'll change but for now it's quite clear.

14 like it
9 unsure
1 not happy

14=majority that are discussing it here that have voted.

 

[Flexo]

Flexo nothing presumptuous about it at all.

I was speaking about this forum which has a poll attached. and the majority that have voted in the poll are positive about Butler's addition. Only one person is totally against it and he's against everything not related to Spiderman or Peter Jackson. THe rest are undecided. Majority means majority. Maybe that'll change but for now it's quite clear.

14 like it
9 unsure
1 not happy

14=majority that are discussing it here that have voted.

So, a whopping total of 14 people are for it. That must be a majority... or maybe the masses simply don't care enough to vote.

Besides that, the poll only asks if people favor Butler for the role, not the remake in general.

That's like walking into a McDonalds, asking ten people if they like hamburgers, and using that result to represent what the majority thinks of fast food.

 

[DorkyFresh]

^ Look....there is NO point for someone to come here on a regular basis and keep saying how they're NOT looking forward to this movie. That's what I was talking about. If someone doesn't like the topic...move on. If you're in a thread about a movie that you're not looking forward to then that person should go away. Why linger around a thread to keep stating over and over how you're not looking forward to it or that it sucks.

so you're complaining about other people complaining...like i said, all you're doing is making yourself look like the child who can't have his way.

If someone routinely visits this thread only to complain about the topic I'm gonna to speak my mind too then. If the GR forums it was a review thread and the same people made there review and said it sucked. Then every day they kept coming back to say it sucked and really nothing much more. The people who enjoyed it talked about the parts they enjoyed in details and the parts they didn't like so much in detail. But if all you have to say is "this sucks" every damn day...then it's time to get a life.

as if coming to the forums everyday and constantly talking about how AWESOME a movie was is anymore of a life than complaining about how it was. it's still the same thing...coming to a forum and DISCUSSING something. it's the same waste of time, same waste of 'life'.

you need to deal with people constantly complaining about a movie in other ways than telling them to go away. it makes you look like a spoiled kid who can't share the sand pit with the other kids who don't wanna do the same thing you're doing. didn't your momma ever teach you to share?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

I think AD has a point

I hate the Ghost Rider movie, I said my peace, and I won't ever visit that thread till GR2 comes out, then I will ***** about how ****ty MSJ is as a director, and move on again

I don't vist the superman thread anymore for the same reason

I guess I don't see a need to, so for that I agree with AD, why do it?


Btw I think this flick 'could' be excellent

granted it has the fatal flaw of having a lot to live up to, and for as sweet as gerry butler is, he is no Kurt Russell (who is Bruce Campbells lieutenent in the army of sweetness) But the movie has potential, give modern techonlogy, and money, it could be great

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Advanced Dark...you and i agree that the Escape remake should be remade but i'm gonna tell you the same thing i told you in the Ghost Rider forum...


...you really should quit telling people to go away if they don't like something. the whole reason there are forums is for people to discuss things. if everyone here agreed on everything then these forums would be worthless. you might not agree with them but everytime you tell people to go away just because they don't like a certain movie it makes you look like a child who can't have his way.

seriously...stop with that crap.

Exactly. Thank you. AD tends to do that when people don't like something that he is for. And AD don't bother posting back about how you respect and let people have their opinion because half of the time you don't. If people want to criticize or in your words "whine" about a movie than it is their freedom.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I think AD has a point

I hate the Ghost Rider movie, I said my peace, and I won't ever visit that thread till GR2 comes out, then I will ***** about how ****ty MSJ is as a director, and move on again

I don't vist the superman thread anymore for the same reason

I guess I don't see a need to, so for that I agree with AD, why do it?


Btw I think this flick 'could' be excellent

granted it has the fatal flaw of having a lot to live up to, and for as sweet as gerry butler is, he is no Kurt Russell (who is Bruce Campbells lieutenent in the army of sweetness) But the movie has potential, give modern techonlogy, and money, it could be great

That is different. You have seen the movie and you've said your peace...their really isn't much else to do there. This is still in the early development phase so their is still plenty to talk about.

 

[TheVileOne]

It totally ticks me off when I'm told I only like things involving Spider-man and Peter Jackson. And I want to stop being mocked this way.

Also, remaking Escape From New York is pretty irrelevant, since it was already remade. It's called Escape From LA. Had the original actor, original writer and director, and it blew. It had a big budget, and it didn't look a fraction as good as the original shot with very little money.

There've already been several inferior and mediocre remakes of Carpenter's work. So called modern updates with bigger budgets, ultra-polished, modern FX whatever. They just don't have the mystique and rawness of old school Carpenter.

At this point, a remake of They Live must be inevitable.

I'll say this. Classics are classics for a reason. For a movie to be classic it has to stand the test of time. These so-called remakes are not classics. People aren't going to remember them or care about them in the years to come and they will still favor the originals over the other.

CR managed to flesh out James Bond without stripping his mystery away. besides, who says they're going to strip his mystery away? as tempting as telling why he wears a patch is we don't know for sure they're going to do that and even if they do, that doesn't mean they'll be telling his life story ala Batman Begins. the movie is Escape from NY...not the Chronicles of Plissken. the whole movie isn't going to be about his origin...a few scenes at the most.

Ugh whatever. It's not like all that wasn't written by Fleming before the movies anyway. Snake and James Bond aren't valid comparisons. Snake was a character written for a movie. He wasn't a pre-existing literary character with an already significant fanbase to see the movies.

We knew Bond's background, we know what he's about.

Snake, what else do we really need? I think the movie really tells us everything we need to know about Snake. We can fill in the blanks.

This is the problem with cinema today. Everything needs to TOLD TO US. Or, filmmakers and executives think we all need to be told all sorts of dumb crap. Let audiences figure things out for themselves.

To me, and this is why I think Carpenter was such a great filmmaker in the 70's and 80's he showed me exactly who Snake was without having to painstakingly reveal all the details of his past or what he had done. I feel after watching Escape From New York I know exactly who Snake is, and I can probably figure out what happened to him.

 

[Hunter Rider]

AD i am only gonna say this once,stop telling people who are mad about this remake to leave,while i personally never focus on threads about movies that don't interest me/piss me off The Hype is a free board and posters have the right to show their disgust if they so choose.

Also please stop insinuating Vile only likes Spidey and Jackson,i have seen him like a few other things and even if that were the case it doesn't make his arguments less valid,debate the topic not the poster and that goes for everyone,this thread is about a movie not yet in production and is already a pain in the ass.

 

[DorkyFresh]

I'll say this. Classics are classics for a reason. For a movie to be classic it has to stand the test of time. These so-called remakes are not classics. People aren't going to remember them or care about them in the years to come and they will still favor the originals over the other.

Escape from New York is not a regular classic...it's a cult classic much in the same vein Evil Dead and Mad Max are cult classics.

that being said...Escape from New York DEFINITELY does NOT stand the test of time. that's one of the reasons they're remaking it....because it's severely outdated. if the remake for Escape is any good then i can pretty much guarantee that future generations would rather watch the remake much like today's generation would rather watch Peter Jackson's King Kong over the original.

Ugh whatever. It's not like all that wasn't written by Fleming before the movies anyway. Snake and James Bond aren't valid comparisons. Snake was a character written for a movie. He wasn't a pre-existing literary character with an already significant fanbase to see the movies.

i don't see why they're not valid comparisons. you said yourself Bond had a significant fan base to see his movies.....so does Snake. just because they were created differently doesn't mean they're not comparable. Bond was born in a novel, Batman was born in a comic...are they not comparable?

this remake has the potential to be for Plissken what Casino Royale was to Bond and what Begins was to Batman. simple as that...it's not that complicated to understand and it's a totally valid point.

 

[L0ngsh0t]

AD i am only gonna say this once,stop telling people who are mad about this remake to leave,while i personally never focus on threads about movies that don't interest me/piss me off The Hype is a free board and posters have the right to show their disgust if they so choose.

Also please stop insinuating Vile only likes Spidey and Jackson,i have seen him like a few other things and even if that were the case it doesn't make his arguments less valid,debate the topic not the poster and that goes for everyone,this thread is about a movie not yet in production and is already a pain in the ass.

Lol I do find it funny the amount of post that have gone into this thread in the week since the news broke

That shows the kinda fan base this movie could potentially have, if they do it right, I think it could be a big hit for everyone involved

 

[DorkyFresh]

well i think the majority of the people who've posted in this thread are opposed to the idea of a remake. that being said...i'm sure more than half of those people will see the movie anyway, hehe...

...if they flesh out the story and Plissken's character (while still keeping the mystery about him) i'm sure people would come around. everybody wasn't too hot about Daniel Craig playing Bond but they made him seem more 3d than 2d (Brosnan's Bond) so now most everyone likes him. i'm hoping the same thing happens for Escape......but i've been wrong before.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Remakes, a clear cut piece of evidence that the hollywood film business lacks any form of creativity or talent.

 

[ghost_x]

or for films that had potential and could be improved using modern technology?

 

[L0ngsh0t]

Remakes, a clear cut piece of evidence that the hollywood film business lacks any form of creativity or talent.

I agree, though I think they are justifiable with a movie like this, Escape from New York has the infinate potential to be the premier action flick coming up, I think with movies that have potential like this, that their box office didn't match the potential, I think they are just

It won't affect the original so I am not worried

It could be sweet, I am looking forward to it good or bad

 

[Addendum]

or for films that had potential and could be improved using modern technology?

Because modern technology has such an impact on plot and character development

"I never knew how good the story was until the director spent $30 million on CGI. Thanks to the magic of computers, I'll never be lost in a film again"

 

[Advanced Dark]

AD i am only gonna say this once,stop telling people who are mad about this remake to leave,while i personally never focus on threads about movies that don't interest me/piss me off The Hype is a free board and posters have the right to show their disgust if they so choose.

Also please stop insinuating Vile only likes Spidey and Jackson,i have seen him like a few other things and even if that were the case it doesn't make his arguments less valid,debate the topic not the poster and that goes for everyone,this thread is about a movie not yet in production and is already a pain in the ass.

Hey Hunter,

I agree with you and Dorky. I just became so sick of the negativity on these boards. It's like people look to seek out anything negative. Anyways...I'll stop. Hopefully you and the other mods can pick out those trying to start a flame war. It's not my job and I'll stop.

Later

 

[Advanced Dark]

or for films that had potential and could be improved using modern technology?

Yep. Escape from NY was more than just Kurt. Kurt was awesome but that doesn't mean someone else can't do a good enough job. The original had a pretty low budget which showed at times. I wanna see more fighting, more gunplay, more of the sewer zombies, etc...

I loved the glider entrance into NY in the beginning. How quiet it was you know. THe WTC is gone so maybe a night drop from a plane and he gets hung up and loses his weapons like in Rambo 2.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Just saw the original last week (not the best sci-fi movie ever by any means, but quite enjoyable). Here is my view on the matter.

I don't really see where special effects will enhance the movie. The story and everything was fine enough in the original. The only reason it seems this is being done is because of money. I think that when money is the only reason something is being made, and there is no element of art involved, the production is normally doomed from the start (as far as remakes go).

Right now, I am not for this. Too many movies are being remade anymore, but I will say that my opinion could change if they get good talent involved. If Michael Bay lands the director's job, this will be officially dead to me.

 

[ghost_x]

Who said anything about using technology for the plot and character development

It's a sad truth and I know some people find it difficult to handle, but Escape From New York was far from perfect, it could very much be improved. With the right cast and filmmakers they could acomplish a very much enhanced 'interpretation' of the story. People are so blinded by the views of critics and their manner of shooting down the idea of a remake merely because it appears unimaginative, that they overlook the fact that many remakes have not only taken an original concept and made a respectable film but have in fact improved upon the original.

I feel a foreboding sense of fanboys dismay at such rebellious thoughts

 

[Spider-Fan]

Some remakes were better than the original, true. However, 99% of them are not. Like I said before, I want to see who is involved. I don't think there is too much they can really do to improve it. I think this could easily become overpowered by action sequences, and lose the movies point.

 

[TheVileOne]

Escape from New York is not a regular classic...it's a cult classic much in the same vein Evil Dead and Mad Max are cult classics.

To me it works all the same.

that being said...Escape from New York DEFINITELY does NOT stand the test of time. that's one of the reasons they're remaking it....because it's severely outdated. if the remake for Escape is any good then i can pretty much guarantee that future generations would rather watch the remake much like today's generation would rather watch Peter Jackson's King Kong over the original.

I recently got the newest DVD set and I think the film still works marvelously well and holds up exceptionally. Comparatively, the sequel from 1996 was on satellite, and I could barely even watch it. The film just looks BAD.

King Kong, well there's another remake that was disappointing and people weren't quite pleased with.

To me the themes of the movie still seem relevant. I think the cinematography and production design still look top notch and they were able to do a hell of a lot with what they had. Not to mention the matte paintings and special FX work by James Cameron (yes that James Cameron) look awesome. The man freaking knew what he was doing over 25 years ago.

Special FX in Escape From New York > Special FX from Escape from LA

i don't see why they're not valid comparisons. you said yourself Bond had a significant fan base to see his movies.....so does Snake. just because they were created differently doesn't mean they're not comparable. Bond was born in a novel, Batman was born in a comic...are they not comparable?

No. Because Bond's backstory and past already existed.

Batman, everyone knows his backstory. Just like everyone knows Spider-man or Superman's backstory. Their origins and backstories are part of the appeal and love for the character.

Snake, I think part of what's great about his character is that you don't know everything and that you have to just figure out some of it for yourself. Wolverine was sort of a character like this at one point. They finally told his "Origins" and his past and it honestly doesn't work. Not to mention poorly executed and muddled.

There was a time when Carpenter knew how to handle ambiguity.

this remake has the potential to be for Plissken what Casino Royale was to Bond and what Begins was to Batman. simple as that...it's not that complicated to understand and it's a totally valid point.

Or it could be what Hannibal Rising was to Silence Of The Lambs. Or what Phantom Menace was to Star Wars. Or that Excorcist prequel to The Exorcist.

Snake Plissken was never this pop-culture icon like James Bond or Batman. I think he's just a great anti-hero character in one really good movie, who I still like to watch because movies today lack quality anti-heroes like Snake, Blondie, etc.

Snake doesn't need the current Hollywood "origin/prequel/remake" movie trend. And he doesn't need a remake either.