Everyone Please We Need to Face Facts & Plan

[LEX]

You have no idea how much things cost. Stop assuming.

The movie is costing the company approx 400 million.

Listen to your own advice.

 

[conan69]

" They cared enough to at least change it around so we never see him die, and leave an out to easily bring him back."

In your opinion I guess.

The novel which everyone thinks was based on a earlier draft doesnt explicitly say he was blasted either, but Jean and Xavier both know he died.

It wasnt shown for storytelling/tension reasons.

Nothing changed.

 

[Marvel Dude]

" They cared enough to at least change it around so we never see him die, and leave an out to easily bring him back."

In your opinion I guess.

Well he didn't have his glasses so he could be left blinded just roming in the woods. Right?

 

[TNC9852002]

Come on, like they care. The outcry for Scotts fate A YEAR ago was a hint and 1/2 for them. They didnt change a thing.

They just dont care.

Oh please...Why don't you try and shift some of the blame onto James Marsden, Bryan Singer, and the guys at WB?

-TNC

 

[conan69]

Because I cant blame Marsden for wanting to make a living.

Blaming Singer is ridiculous.

Releasing this film just 3 months later would have freeding up Marsdens schedule and giving more time for everything film related - postproduction, character and better story development to both The Cure and Phoenix plots,a far less "choppy"story,tidying up character arcs,loose ends, etc,etc.

As stupid as it sounds, that the head of a movie studio could be so childish, I really do belive this thing was rushed to beat Superman and Singer to the theaters.

 

[TNC9852002]

Because I cant blame Marsden for wanting to make a living.

Me neither.

But, some people need to put the blame on somebody...

-TNC

 

[sirius14sho]

Are you kidding? Do you really think the writers are so lacking in ideas that they'd have to come to the internet for things to put in their script?

*recalls the "I'm the Juggernaut *****!" line from the final battle*

...nevermind, go for it.

LOL

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I wouldn't like an X-Men 4, for a few reasons.

1. Overall, this film wrapped up all the loose ends and brought everything to a close. YES, Magneto moved the chess piece, and YES, Xavier put his mind into the braindead dude, but overall, those aren't large story arcs being left open that need to be closed. X-Men had Wolverine searching for his past: Weapon X. X2 had Jean dying: Phoenix Saga. This just had the cure not working on Magneto (but it obviously worked on Rogue and Mystique; Rogue touching Bobby, and Mystique remaining as Raven when she sold out Magneto... Magneto was just too powerful for the cure), and Xavier being smart. There's no true loose ends. Overall, even though each film has it's own self contained story, they also all play together as one larger story, and a bunch of smaller subplots that remain consistant through each film. So overall, it is one story. And there is a method to storytelling; introduction, rise in action, conflict, and resolution. We have had that with the 3 X-Men films... and when the storytelling process is over, there isn't a story left to tell. Yes, I understand there are story arcs and characters from the comics left unexplored, but those stories aren't the stories of the movies. We'll never be able to have every comic story and character adapted into film. For storytelling purposes, there should be no more films.

2. Look at the complaints we've had already over the deviations taken in this film for Fox to produce a "studio" flick, that they can rush to theatres to beat Superman Returns to prove a point to Singer. Or at least, that's the theory a lot of people around here have.

Do you honestly think, that a movie that doesn't have previous set up (Like the way X2 set up the obvious X-Men 3...), and X-Men 4 will be given the proper conditions to make an adequate comic adaptation that keeps cinematic value, after all the **** we saw in this movie? This movie has Cyclops dying, Rogue being cured, and a very less than accurate to the source material adaptation of the Phoenix Saga. These are all some of the biggest complaints I've heard about this movie (not neccesarily the ones that I share)... do you honestly think that after what Fox did to this film, that Fox is going to all of a sudden change their minds and treat an X-Men 4, which would be an even more obviously made just to cash in on a name than X-Men 3 was, with even more respect than they did with X-Men 3? Absolutley not. Any attempt at a 4th movie would become totally a film by commitee, by the higher-ups of Tom Rothman and his cronies. You guys are already *****ing about the film by commitee approach to this movie, but you somehow think that won't happen for a 4th movie?

So for quality purposes, an X-Men 4 shouldn't happen.

3. And last, but definatley not least... it was hard enough to get the cast back for this 3rd film... and this was a film that was neccesary (there were still many loose ends in the X-Men film universe that needed to by tied up). There would be even more of a chance of losing cast members this time around. Some people say that recasts can happen, it doesn't matter... but I don't want to see recasts. It ruins the continuity.

And I don't want to see characters dropped, either. I know there his a whole ****load of characters in the comics, but it is my belief that you still have to retain a core of the vital characters from the source material, those characters being Wolverine, Storm, Jean Grey, and Cyclops. To me, those are the most vital charcters in the X-Men universe. Yes, there may have been comics without them, but in a more self contained universe, such as the movies, which is an adaptation, you don't leave stuff like that out. I personally don't want to see a movie team of Iceman, Kitty Pryde, Colossus, and the introduction of Gambit. That might be a cool team in the comics, but not in the films.

So for continuity purposes, there shouldn't be an X-Men 4.

I'm glad this film is making tons of money, but part of me wishes it bombed. I don't want Fox to see this movie be a huge success, and think that they can just "summer popcorn flick" the **** out of the X-Men to make a buck every couple years, forsaking vital characters for their desire to give the big stars the leading roles.

This trilogy has already seen the deaths of Cyclops and Xavier (even if he did come back), an inaccurate to it's roots adaptation of the Phoenix Saga, no connections from Wolverine to Sabretooth or Lady Deathstrike, no Gambit, and the curing of Rogue without her ever even getting a glimpse of her comic powers.

These aren't all complaints that I have with the movies, but they are all deviations from the source material. Some more serious than others.

But the fact is, if this franchise continues to go, it's gonna become more and more about the money, and those deviations are only going to become worse, and more frequent, in the studio's quest for quick money. And the X-Men are too important to me to see them become that.

I don't want anymore X-Men films... Wolverine, X-Men 4, or otherwise.

We have 3 great films that, despite some inaccuracies to the source material, in the greater picture, capture the essence of these characters and the world they exist in, and capture the essence of what this story is about, and why I love it so much. I find that to be very fortunate that we've gotten that.

Now let's just enjoy what we have, and remember that sometimes you need to be careful what you wish for... cuz you just might get it...

 

[Demon Within]

I dont think theres going to be anymore no matter how much it makes.

 

[josh8]

Nell dude, i will just never agree with you on this. x4 and on can be about a different story, but still x-men. and no matter what happens, x1 thru x3 are still fine.

it will of course be hard to come up with a story that's as crucial to the x-men world as x1 thru x3, but there are still TONS of possibilities.

i think that x-men movies can always be interesting. you might think that more x-movies will just tarnish their history, but i totally disagree. the x-men stories (even the less famous ones) are still more interesting than so many big movies that are put out these days.

my opinion on where they should go next is simple. they need to go to the comics and find the stories that have parallels to real life situations. some examples:

- what happens when people start playing god? i'm not talking about magneto's radiation machine. i'm taking about apocalypse and sinister and their experimentation on forced mutation and augmentation. archangel anyone?

- the (real) morlocks and the mutant massacre. heartbreaking stuff.

- genosha: the exploitation of mutant slaves.

- operation zero tolerance: it's similar to what stryker wanted to do, but this time, the whole US government would be behind it. then we can see real sentinels and what they're capable of. this story would have to be the culmination of a trilogy. i like the idea of x-movies being in trilogies or sets. each set is a new era. this way, they are stand-alone entities but part of the same world.

as for trying to get back hugh, halle, and the rest. i say it's time to move on. we only need a few integral people from the first trilogy (a leader most importantly). i say find a way to bring back scott as the leader, since he'll most likely be easier to sign on to do more movies. have gambit be the new popular x-man, and than bring in the strong female presence in emma frost. i'm already getting excited. long live x4, x5, and x6!

 

[Radagast_Prime]

Okay here's one:

Cyclops, Rogue, Xavier, Magneto and Pheonex hunt down Rothman, Ratner, Kinberg and Penn and kill them all and then Xavier wipes everyone's mind that The Last Stand ever happened and Singer makes a proper third X-Men installment.

That would be a great X4.

Sounds like winning plan to me!

 

[josh8]

oh yeah, also i dont mind if x4 takes like 5 years to come out. but i definitely want the world to still fit in with the trilogy that we already have.

any name suggestions:
x-men returns?
x-men: reborn
x-men: evolution (i know, we've heard it before. but i still like it.)

 

[Chris M]

I dont think theres going to be anymore no matter how much it makes.

Agreed. Fox has repeadedly stated that the plans are for "Wolverine" and "Magneto". That's why X3 disposed of so many characters. There are NO current plans for X4. This is wishful thinking.

While X4 may happen some day, I implore you not to get your hopes up. I think you'll only get let down.

 

[buggs0268]

I guess this is something I should do on my own. lol

Pheonix...it is a good idea. Many fans of films that didnn't go the fans way have thought about it and tried to do it. But here are the facts. One, you need to be a member of the writers guild to get an agent to submit scripts. You need an agent that the studio works with to be your agent. And the most important. Studios don't take random submissions, especially on big franchises. They just don't. You wouldn't even be able to get your foot in the door. Most scripts submitted by agents to studios don't even get past the first set of studio script readers, who screen raw scripts before they go up the chain of command. And I can tell you now, with film franchises that the studios are already doing, they wont even look at it. It will get stopped at the door no matter how good it is. That kind of stuff almost pisses them off. The studios have an agenda for the franchise, and they will find someone who they want. I am sorry to break the news, but you can do it and find out the hard reality. I know I will get flamed. I know I will get called a troll, since this is my first post in this board. But I am just telling you the sad reality of the studio system. Unfair as it is, this is how they do business. It will not happen.

 

[conan69]

"And last, but definatley not least... it was hard enough to get the cast back for this 3rd film... and this was a film that was neccesary (there were still many loose ends in the X-Men film universe that needed to by tied up)."


Which is why it was stupid to leave this thing with Storm/Halle, the person whos *****ed the most of the entire cast in that position. Marsden loved playing Cyclops, and has stated so many time.He prob would have come back for multiple sequels.

I also think that was the decision behind getting rid of Rogue,Mystique Magneto and Prof X(originally anysway before they decided not to really kill him). Newer cast means less $.


In all honesty, I'll just wait around for the Batman begins type X-men reboot 10 years from now. They screwed up ending this the way they did. I would have loved to see these films go on over a period of time.We should have seen the team grow,mature and become a family over a period of years - instead we get 3 movies that all happen in about a years time. Remember Singer toying with the idea of filming 3 and 4 back to back? Had they handled it properly,they could have made 6 X-Men films.

Oh well, at least I still have Raimi who respects and knows how to handle Spiderman and the next 2 Batman films.

As I said I didnt hate this film, but I hate some of the "studio politics" decisions. It would take a REALLY CARING creative team - a director and writers with creative control, to get me to see another FOX superhero movie.

 

[J.Howlett]

conan,

Did you like what Singer did with the first two films because I agree with you on the handling of The Last Stand. It was just sloppy all the way through. The Last Stand isn't the proper ending to this franchise, for me.

 

[conan69]

The first film tried really hard but came up quite a bit short, but I liked X2 alot.

"I agree with you on the handling of The Last Stand. It was just sloppy all the way through"

The worst part is except the when Magneto shows his tatoo and Beasts scene with Leech(a highpoint in the film) theres no human element in a film thats part of a franchise about accepting peoples humanity.
Where the remorse and pain for Cyclops from the people he grew up with? Jesus a couple simple flashbacks to the early days with Scott Hank and Ororro would have done wonders for for Jeans character arc and added a whole other layer to her pyche. She zaps Scott and Xavier and spends the rest of her time standing around looking bored.

I still say they should have gone with the Cure plotline and saved Phoenix for a later time becuase this film doesnt aloow either plotline to develop enough.

 

[spinny0617]

single movie idea: days of future past

Bishop as the time traveler who needs to stop the development of real life sentinels.
Gambit as "the traitor" who's held responsible for the screwed up future by Bishop.

Main X-Men: Wolverine; Storm; Rogue; Iceman; Kitty
no Xavier yet and Magneto at the end with powers returned (same as Rogue obviously...)