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Expanding the CW universe discussion

Choose who should be the next DC superhero tv show on CW

  • Green Lantern

  • Atom

  • Blue beetle

  • Martian Manhunter

  • Firestorm


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It's fascinating that the stigma the CW used to have is now completely gone. I mean, sure Arrow and Flash do have soap opera, melodramatic elements to theme but those are also staples of the comic genre so it fits in well. I think CW has found a way to balance them out nicely to attract both male and female audiences. Ironically, the one time the CW did try to go full on genre (Nikita) it didn't work out so well for them ratings-wise. Nikita probably would have lasted longer if it catered to that female audience more rather than the male (btw, anyone who hasn't seen Nikita, PLEASE go do so, it's an amazing, action-packed show start-to finish).

That's an interesting analysis of Nikita's downfall. Never thought of it that way. I think it had hints of that kind of melodrama, but it didn't have the kind of CW suburban sheen that all the characters of Flash and Arrow inhabit, where the street kid from the bad neighborhood is an Ambercrombie model who's never short of cash. And of course, the melodrama plotlines.

Really, anything that WB won't explore in film is pretty much fair game, and I think The CW should continue taking advantage of that. Particularly Booster Gold, Metamorpho, Red Tornado, Hawkman, or Plastic Man.

The Flash is really proving to me that you can do anything with a TV budget. The effects on that show are extremely impressive for the little money they're working with. And with an increased budget for future seasons, something on the level of what 24 was doing on Fox would be even more ideal. People seem to forget that 24 was crashing helicopters and blowing up jets with rocket launchers, and it was pretty much unprecedented.

My ultimate dream is that The CW is slowly building their way to a Justice Society, where the B-level and C-level heroes all come together for an epic television event.

Green Arrow
The Flash
Arsenal
Vibe
Huntress
Black Canary
Firestorm
The Atom
Wildcat

That's a powerful group. I wouldn't say "anything" is possible on TV. I think characters like Firestorm will be toned down and/or rarely used to stay within budget. Maybe "anything for twenty seconds" is possible. To get a 24 budget, they'd need to feel confident in 24-like numbers to make that investment on the front end, and while Flash is off the charts for a CW show, 24 it ain't.
 
Green Lantern, I actually don't think it would be that hard to do on a budget. All you have to do is ground it on Earth. Have it be in the first stages where he gets the ring, before OA (which they could do later as they could use the CG sets from the movie) so he's on earth learning to use the ring and in the finale Sinestro turns up setting up season 2.
 
That's an interesting analysis of Nikita's downfall. Never thought of it that way. I think it had hints of that kind of melodrama, but it didn't have the kind of CW suburban sheen that all the characters of Flash and Arrow inhabit, where the street kid from the bad neighborhood is an Ambercrombie model who's never short of cash. And of course, the melodrama plotlines.



That's a powerful group. I wouldn't say "anything" is possible on TV. I think characters like Firestorm will be toned down and/or rarely used to stay within budget. Maybe "anything for twenty seconds" is possible. To get a 24 budget, they'd need to feel confident in 24-like numbers to make that investment on the front end, and while Flash is off the charts for a CW show, 24 it ain't.

They do seem to be willing to spend money on Flash though. Firestorm could eventually be a spinoff character. Plus, I doubt getting a guest appearance from Victor Garber, even if say, it's four episodes is as cheap as getting say, somebody else from the CW. They may not have "24" money, but they do seem to have more than the average CW show.
 
Green Lantern, I actually don't think it would be that hard to do on a budget. All you have to do is ground it on Earth. Have it be in the first stages where he gets the ring, before OA (which they could do later as they could use the CG sets from the movie) so he's on earth learning to use the ring and in the finale Sinestro turns up setting up season 2.
Green Lantern truly is the most logical choice to expand this universe. And if he doesn't get his own series, Hal should at least make a few appearances on Arrow and The Flash
 
They do seem to be willing to spend money on Flash though. Firestorm could eventually be a spinoff character. Plus, I doubt getting a guest appearance from Victor Garber, even if say, it's four episodes is as cheap as getting say, somebody else from the CW. They may not have "24" money, but they do seem to have more than the average CW show.

Yeah, but while Flash is picking up Victor Garber, Arrow picked up Brandon Routh, and before that Summer Glau and John Barrowman. Vampire Diaries has been headlining Somerhalder as its star and has an effects budget not too dissimilar to the Flash. Then you have Supernatural with more non-CW guest stars than you can shake a stick at. Don't know anything about The Originals, but all of CW's high competition primetime dramas: Arrow, Flash, TVD and The Originals all seem to come in around 2 million per episode to help compete against things like Grey's Anatomy, NCIS and Dancing with the Stars.

Looking at the production quality, there's not really any difference between Arrow and Flash. One just has a speedster instead of fight scenes, but one's not necessarily more expensive than the other. It's just whether the ten guys you're paying are working on choreography or animation all day. The time slot after that, with Jane The Virgin, Supernatural, The 100 and Reign is noticeably lower in production value, with it being least noticeable on Jane, as that doesn't require much beyond acting and location scouting.

So Flash is still top tier, and may even get a boost next season because it is the most successful, but it's not getting significantly more money than CW's other dramas in the same timeslot on different nights.

So when you compare a Flash show with, say, a Firestorm show, you're talking about a world of difference. Slow mo is relatively cheap. In fact, Amell reported some of the slow mo for Flash vs Arrow is being done the old fashioned way by the actor himself. Even the jump cuts with a flurry of blur and lightning is relatively cheap. We've all seen Smallville with it's quick entry and exit stuff. This is a world of difference in cost from someone walking around with his head on fire, or floating casually off the ground, or turning practical items into other practical items in a way that looks natural and believable as well as cool. Now, I could be wrong, perhaps Firestorm will prove to be even cheaper than Flash and he'll appear on screen as much as Barry does in costume, which isn't all that much after all, and use his powers freely rather than just in one climactic moment in the episode. But from the little bit I do know about computer animation, Firestorm isn't going to use his powers very often, or to great effect, and he's going to spend virtually all his time on the ground, like Clark Kent from Smallville, or even Superman from Adventures of Lois and Clark.
 
That's an interesting analysis of Nikita's downfall. Never thought of it that way. I think it had hints of that kind of melodrama, but it didn't have the kind of CW suburban sheen that all the characters of Flash and Arrow inhabit, where the street kid from the bad neighborhood is an Ambercrombie model who's never short of cash. And of course, the melodrama plotlines.

Being fair, up to the point I've watched ( early season 2 ), Roy really is the only standout case of this, unless you count Barry Allen ( whose not so bad in his own show ). Most of the rest of the cast only look TV pretty, at least to me.
 
^^^The street kid part, but the Abercrombie part pretty much applies to 90% of the casts of both shows.
 
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^Indeed.

Being fair, up to the point I've watched ( early season 2 ), Roy really is the only standout case of this, unless you count Barry Allen ( whose not so bad in his own show ). Most of the rest of the cast only look TV pretty, at least to me.

It's not that they're exceptionally pretty, they're pretty and upper-middle class, even when it goes against or doesn't help the story. Not only are they this, but they seem oblivious to anything outside of that. I think the only character that didn't fit into this paradigm was Cyn, and she kinda fell off the radar. She doesn't "work" as a love interest for anyone, her poverty is unshakable to the point where she can't just hang out in the Queen mansion, or even Laurel's apartment, without commenting, even wordlessly, that everyone doesn't live like this. This is not normal. Not that there was any conspiracy to get her off the show, but it's telling that such a real character, so much like people we all know doesn't fit in to the quasi-realistic world of Arrow in which a poor neighborhood is a major setting.
 
^Indeed.



It's not that they're exceptionally pretty, they're pretty and upper-middle class, even when it goes against or doesn't help the story. Not only are they this, but they seem oblivious to anything outside of that. I think the only character that didn't fit into this paradigm was Cyn, and she kinda fell off the radar. She doesn't "work" as a love interest for anyone, her poverty is unshakable to the point where she can't just hang out in the Queen mansion, or even Laurel's apartment, without commenting, even wordlessly, that everyone doesn't live like this. This is not normal. Not that there was any conspiracy to get her off the show, but it's telling that such a real character, so much like people we all know doesn't fit in to the quasi-realistic world of Arrow in which a poor neighborhood is a major setting.

That's all true, but I think its a separate issue from "everyone is pretty".

I'm still more than a little vague on how affluent Laurel is *supposed* to be, as opposed to how much is the unintended side effect of hollywood apartment sizes. I mean, she's a relatively young, if ( theoretically ) talented lawyer, who has worked for either a legal nonprofit clinic or the DA's office. She shouldn't be raking in tons of cash.
 
With the Ratings success of The flash and Arrow crossover,I think well be seeing more in future.
CW will VERY likely be considering another superhero show at the moment
 
If they did go with a Hawkman tv show.Id like a costume similar to this
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I read originally we were suppose to get Ted Kord but they changed it to Ray Palmer.

I also remember reading rumors about Hourman appearing.
 
I read originally we were suppose to get Ted Kord but they changed it to Ray Palmer.

I also remember reading rumors about Hourman appearing.

All true.Apparently Dc film division has plans for Ted Kord sso thay cant use him on tv
An hourman tv show idea was tossed around before being thrown away.
 
Arrow has already done the groundwork for Hourman with Mirakuru. All they need to do is introduce Rex Tyler.
 
I remember thinking that an Hourman show could bring in the rest of the JSA (Jay Garrick included) which could lead to a crossover with the Flash show: Flash of Two Worlds.

(Still hoping they do something like this regardless. Barry could accidentally hop through other universes briefly, like a universe where Miller-Flash is on the news ;))
 
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I would love to see CW's take on The Flash #123.
 
if CW wants to go for a magical hero next my choice would be Blue devil.
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Black Lightning and Blue Devil showing up would be awesome.
 
Blue Devil has already kind of showed up. There have been movie posters for Blue Devil and Blue Devil II: Hell to Pay. Some groundwork for the origin already done.
 
Blue Devil has already kind of showed up. There have been movie posters for Blue Devil and Blue Devil II: Hell to Pay. Some groundwork for the origin already done.

Cool.Constantine seems to be on its way to cancellation,So blue devil could serve as our replacement hero.
 
I'd prefer Nightwing, maybe even Red Robin. They can hint towards Batman, but don't need to show him. It's the same thing Teen Titans did.
 
I'd prefer Nightwing, maybe even Red Robin. They can hint towards Batman, but don't need to show him. It's the same thing Teen Titans did.

Nightwing show is already coming out on TNT
 
Nightwing show is already coming out on TNT
I know, but I remember reading somewhere it might be connected to the CW-verse since TNT is under the WB banner. Maybe they can cast him in Titans first then have that actor show up.
 
It probably wouldn't/couldn't happen, but I'd love it if they introduced Nightwing on Arrow or Flash to build hype for Titans.
 
I feel like the WB embargo over Blue Beetle is a bunch of BS at this point, so I say bring him on board. Really, there are countless characters they can play with, and they still won't interfere with the WB film universe:

Blue Beetle
Hourman
Manhunter
Booster Gold
Hawkman
Hawkgirl
Metamorpho
Animal Man
Red Tornado
Martian Manhunter
Plastic Man
Doctor Fate
Mr. Terrific
Black Lightning
The Spectre
Doctor Mid-Nite
 
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