Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[kevork89]

Agree. I can't stand Kinberg. He's a simpleton. The fact that he cannot fathom how a good looking guy who clawed his way from the streets to have it all and then have everything stripped away again could have more drama then yet another victim who becomes powerful just shows it. Because - you know - a 4 inch difference is not that interesting. It's all about the 4 inches. It's like Laura Shuler Donner talking about how they picked the X-Men for First Class based on what cool powers they haven't shown before. It's all about the powers. Forget about the characters and actually you know - using the real First Class.

Can I ask where you read that about Lauren? Not saying I don't believe you but Lauren has been one of the people who had pushed Fox the hardest to get the right characters and had worked hard to get Deadpool and Gambit off the ground which are fan favourite characters. And she's been very vocal about getting the right characters in these movies. But I think sadly she's been overturned a lot most likely because the higher ups at Fox who would in fact only want cool powers.

 

[starscream22]

Why not? you should apply it in your life. Edgar Alan Poe said it, so there must be some merit to it.

Quoth the raven "Freethe4!"

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Can I ask where you read that about Lauren? Not saying I don't believe you but Lauren has been one of the people who had pushed Fox the hardest to get the right characters and had worked hard to get Deadpool and Gambit off the ground which are fan favourite characters. And she's been very vocal about getting the right characters in these movies. But I think sadly she's been overturned a lot most likely because the higher ups at Fox who would in fact only want cool powers.

I didn't read it. I heard it somewhere. I believe it was on the commentary on the Blu Ray. I can't remember for sure though now. It was years ago.

 

[kevork89]

I didn't read it. I heard it somewhere. I believe it was on the commentary on the Blu Ray. I can't remember for sure though now. It was years ago.

Yeah I was thinking it was probably a BTS thing on the release. Such a shame that they think like that. And I reckon it primarily is Kinberg. So far i'm loving where they are going with Apocalypse because Dan and Michael are back on that project. Yay.

 

[starscream22]

I doubt I actually see it in the Movies.. Too interested in MI:5 and Straight Outta Compton.. But I'll be watching those #'s

This! Sinister 2 may also be a possibility to as far as far as late Summer movies go.

No love for Jurassic world? That's easily my most anticipated after Ant-man.

Both are day one 3D IMAX with the fam.

But your the blind marvel loyalists he was also talking about

Aw and things were going so smoothly, no arguing or bickering and then this just tore everything down. Talk about irony and party pooping all in one small little post.

Most of the people trashing this film are doing so because what they're doing is legitimately bad wrong. It's FAR more than us/them wanting the rights back.

Sure, there are SOME who think like that. Just like their are supporters who are only supporting it because its Fox, and they prefer their films. Particularly, the X-films.

But don't mistake that small group's mindset for being the general mindset of the detractors.

Since when is wanting all Marvel films under the MCU a bad thing? Daredevil is proof of the opposite and now Spider-man is on board.

When more than 50% of Fox's Marvel films are still unanimously considered to be crap with this one shaping up to be no better in many people's opinion. How is routing for the Studio that usually get things right blind loyalist.

The issue is lumping people up into groups in the first place. I personally may strongly disagree with you in this thread and grive you the thumbs up in a thread in another section here. I don't have time to be holding bitter grudges while profiling people.

 

[Marvin]

This latest interview about casting REALLY turned me off.

Kinberg said (in so many words) the FF is boring. He didn't want to portray the Ben Grimm that we all know and love because he thought a Ben Grimm that was bullied by his brothers was more 'interesting' than the (by default uninteresting) real Ben Grimm.

No offense but you have a way of spinning things in painfully obtuse ways.
I love how 4 words before you even use the word 'more' and still you find yourself in a place to execute his spin.

 

[Eddie]

Yeah, Willie's totally off base with his complaints about the writer of the movie confirming they completely changed Ben Grimm intentionally. How dare that jerk not be happy? Simon Kinberg obviously knows the character better than Willie does. Nobody ever really liked the Thing as he was portrayed for decades. In fact, screw Lee & Kirby for not making Ben Grimm a 90 pound weakling in the first place! Hypocritical jerks, putting those Charles Atlas advertisements in comics, but making the big bully that kicks sand in your face the heroic rock monster guy. And to hell with all of those supposed Fantastic Four fans that aren't mindlessly supporting this film! Those characters they loved worked for decades, sure, but now we have brilliant new takes from the writer of Jumper. Jumper, I say! Man, I can't stand those fans. Try to give them something that doesn't resemble the comic that truly launched the Marvel Universe, and they act like that's a bad thing. Sheesh.

 

[Flint Marko]

From the writer of 'Jumper'. That got me good.

Since when is wanting all Marvel films under the MCU a bad thing? Daredevil is proof of the opposite and now Spider-man is on board.

When more than 50% of Fox's Marvel films are still unanimously considered to be crap with this one shaping up to be no better in many people's opinion. How is routing for the Studio that usually get things right blind loyalist.

The issue is lumping people up into groups in the first place. I personally may strongly disagree with you in this thread and grive you the thumbs up in a thread in another section here. I don't have time to be holding bitter grudges while profiling people.

Boom. Great point.
I'm fine with Fox keeping the X-men, they've made their mistakes with that franchise but with Singer back it appears to be in good hands again.
They are, however, 0/4 on their non-X related Marvel properties and it looks like its about to be 0/5. Studio wars aside, that isn't a great track record. As you said here Starscream, Marvel usually gets things right, so of course I'm going to want the rights back home. Call me whatever you want, that's how I see things.
If Fox had made a FF film that looked like it stuck closer to the source material, I wouldn't be grousing about this. I'd be on board and excited to see a FF film. But no, they made unnecessary changes in a time when Marvel has proven that you can make a critical and commercial success by sticking with what made these characters great to begin with. It's funny when you look at how they've handled the Deadpool movie - they apparently understand the need to have the fans on board there, and have stuck close to the look/feel/spirit of the source material. Weird how the FF doesn't get that, right?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No offense but you have a way of spinning things in painfully obtuse ways.
I love how 4 words before you even use the word 'more' and still you find yourself in a place to execute his spin.

I'm not 'spinning' anything, and I frankly don't care what you or anyone else thinks. I'm not trying to craft an argument, I'm venting.

I'm reading what the film-makers are saying about what they're trying to do, and I don't like it.

Am I a bit irrational? Probably so. The word 'fan' comes from 'fanatic' and my interest in these characters is emotional, not rational.

If Kinberg had said: "We realize Jamie doesn't look exactly like Ben Grimm, but once he gets in character, you'll see how well he brings the character to life." I would have been fine.

But he didn't say that. He said he didn't like Ben as he was in the comics and made a conscious decision to make him more 'interesting'.

And even that, by itself, wouldn't be terrible, but add it to everything else and it's clear these film-makers have no interest in portraying the characters I had hoped to see.

That pisses me off, and I'm going to express it.

 

[psylockolussus]

No offense but you have a way of spinning things in painfully obtuse ways.
I love how 4 words before you even use the word 'more' and still you find yourself in a place to execute his spin.

I noticed that a lot from him so I am not even gonna bother.... plus if he thought the Tim Story Ff films are better than First Class and Dofp... I do not think this film will please him simply because of the changes done in this film.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

plus if he thought the Tim Story Ff films are better than First Class and Dofp.

When did I ever say that?

 

[Flint Marko]

Psylock, I'd love to see where Willie said those movies were better than FC or DOFP.
Willie is one of the most consistent posters around here, and has, since day one, expressed his genuine love for the property. He is proof positive that this FFINO adaption is not for long time fans of the characters, because if it were, he would be on board. And there's nothing wrong with that. Most fans of the FF who grew up reading the comics, like myself, don't like what we see from this movie. It's that simple.
I can't speak for him, but personally I think this could be a good movie. Just not a good FF movie.

 

[psylockolussus]

When did I ever say that?

When you posted your top 15 cbms....and after that you posted that you preferred the Tim Story ff films than Dofp and 1st Class for some reason.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

When you posted your top 15 cbms....and after that you posted that you preferred the Tim Story ff films than Dofp and 1st Class for some reason.

For me, personally, I would rather watch the FF films than DOFP or 1st Class because I'm a Fantastic Four fan and I'm not an X-Men fan. But I wouldn't say the Tim Story films are qualitatively better films.

 

[psylockolussus]

For me, personally, I would rather watch the FF films than DOFP or 1st Class because I'm a Fantastic Four fan and I'm not an X-Men fan. But I wouldn't say the Tim Story films are qualitatively better films.

Well you posted this so:
Neither one did much for me. X2 is well above both of those for me and then things like Hellboy and even the Fantastic Four films would be ahead of DOFP and First Class for me. Both those films just had some horribly cringe-inducing moments and ridiculous plot elements IMO. They were okay films, but in terms of really doing anything special or unique and grabbing my attention, they didn't work.
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Last edited by Willie Lumpkin; 05-07-2015 at 11:26 AM..

So forgive me if I was wrong.

 

[Eddie]

Today's just pile on Willie day, huh? Good. I just recently had to spend $0.99 on an e-book because he rigged a contest so that I didn't get free books. What a jerk! Man, what else can be said about the guy... oh yeah, that time he chimed in on a Fantastic Four thread just to tell us how wonderful Spy is was so bizarre. Then he had the nerve to actually tell us that he wishes he worked for Fox! And that fan Twitter he runs for a film that only exists in his head...

Waitaminutehere... that wasn't Willie...

 

[Kelly]

So what if some find the 2 F4 films better than some of the X-Men films....it's an opinion.

Why do people take this kind of thing so personally?

I just don't get it.

 

[psylockolussus]

Today's just pile on Willie day, huh? Good. I just recently had to spend $0.99 on an e-book because he rigged a contest so that I didn't get free books. What a jerk! Man, what else can be said about the guy... oh yeah, that time he chimed in on a Fantastic Four thread just to tell us how wonderful Spy is was so bizarre. Then he had the nerve to actually tell us that he wishes he worked for Fox! And that fan Twitter he runs for a film that only exists in his head...

Waitaminutehere... that wasn't Willie...

So bizarre that it got a 90 plus rating at RT.

I dont know why this is such a big deal to you... I only brought it up here at the Ff forums when I said I finally saw the 2nd trailer in the big screen.

And the Twitter account....a lot more people have them...actually someone here asked me to create it but I only made it like 2 months after Dofp.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Well you posted this so:
Neither one did much for me. X2 is well above both of those for me and then things like Hellboy and even the Fantastic Four films would be ahead of DOFP and First Class for me. Both those films just had some horribly cringe-inducing moments and ridiculous plot elements IMO. They were okay films, but in terms of really doing anything special or unique and grabbing my attention, they didn't work.
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Last edited by Willie Lumpkin; 05-07-2015 at 11:26 AM..

So forgive me if I was wrong.

I guess it's a matter of Semantics. I would never say "The Tim Story Films are higher quality films than DOFP or First class", but as I said in my post "for me" I would put the FF films higher on the list of films I personally enjoy watching because they feature the Fantastic Four.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

So wait ... we got a Fox Nazi telling other people what they should and should not like? Get out of here with that garbage man. So what if a movie got a high RT score? I prefer to use the gray matter between my own ears and decide for myself. No one tells me what to like and not like. I could have a field day with all the problems with DOFP. It's not a perfect movie and not everybody has to love it. Deal with it.

 

[psylockolussus]

So what if some find the 2 F4 films better than some of the X-Men films....it's an opinion.

Why do people take this kind of thing so personally?

I just don't get it.

I do not take it personally. But I guess the changes that were done in First Class and Dofp didnt please him... so I see the same thing happening here in the Ff reboot.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Today's just pile on Willie day, huh? Good. I just recently had to spend $0.99 on an e-book because he rigged a contest so that I didn't get free books. What a jerk!

Oh heck, you didn't actually pay for it did you? If you haven't bought the second and third yet, shoot me your e-mail and I'll gift you Kindle copies.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I do not take it personally. But I guess the changes that were done in First Class and Dofp didnt please him... so I see the same thing happening here in the Ff reboot.

But he says in the comment you quoted why those movies didn't do it for him.

 

[metaphysician]

This right here
I, nor anybody else, have no problems with people genuinely excited for this movie. As a big FF fan I wish I could share in that. However, I do take umbrage with people who are going to argue that everything is fine and the rumors are/were overblown, because clearly they were wrong yet they still continue to insist that things aren't as bad as they seem.

Now, me? I actually do have a problem with the people "genuinely" excited about the movie. However, this is because I've yet to see a one put forth a convincing explanation for *why* they are excited about the movie. I can respect a difference in opinion, but not one that comes off as insincere.

( Exception: People who go "this might be a great Chronicle 2". This is a persuasive basis for why one might like the movie, and hope good things from it. )

 

[Flint Marko]

Now, me? I actually do have a problem with the people "genuinely" excited about the movie. However, this is because I've yet to see a one put forth a convincing explanation for *why* they are excited about the movie. I can respect a difference in opinion, but not one that comes off as insincere.

( Exception: People who go "this might be a great Chronicle 2". This is a persuasive basis for why one might like the movie, and hope good things from it. )

There are folks here who are genuinely interested in a hard sci-fi comic book movie. A lot of these folks have said that they probably wouldn't care to watch a Fantastic Four film to begin with, but they thought that was an interesting angle. I understand that sentiment, there were aspects of that second trailer that I found intriguing. I love watching MBJ, so seeing his interaction with the rest of the cast was fun to watch. But other than that, nothing really interested me.
But more to your point, those people who have put forth that argument are but a small number of the defenders. The rest of them spend more time telling people to quit hating the movie, when a more interesting discussion could be had if they honestly explained what it is about the film they are intrigued by. It's a fair question, I think.