Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 31

[spideyboy_1111]

Changing Ben is something I get the outrage over. That's replacing something with something else. Until I see the movie, I can't tell if they replaced the dynamic or simply added to Sue's solo characterization with her other relationship. Then judging it accordingly.

but people are allowed to vent and be concerned over what may or may not be.. they are allowed to discuss it... people don't NEED to have the mentality of "not judging a book by it's cover" not when you have to put money up for "reading" the "book" (in this case paying to see a movie) especially when they're hi-profile characters to people.. and when a film is already looking like a disappointment to them.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I like Mr. Pib....




WHY ALL THE HATE......YOU HATERS!

eww Mr. Pib is the watered down version of Dr. Pepper it's like ... drinking a flat melted dr. Pepper

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And the Denver Broncos adopted it....

Yep.

 

[Hellion]

eww Mr. Pib is the watered down version of Dr. Pepper it's like ... drinking a flat melted dr. Pepper

I was going to say the same about the Crush...flat, or watered down orange soda...

 

[TheComicbookKid]

but people are allowed to vent and be concerned over what may or may not be.. they are allowed to discuss it... people don't NEED to have the mentality of "not judging a book by it's cover" not when you have to put money up for "reading" the "book" (in this case paying to see a movie) especially when they're hi-profile characters to people.. and when a film is already looking like a disappointment to them.

I didn't say anyone had to like or wait to discuss.

I'm not sure. But by the same token, I've seen this scenario before, so that's why I'm waiting. Not because I'm not a FF fan, Trank defenders, or a Fox troll(ie where I stop defending my fellow comic fans when they unfairly label me).

Superman's parents have been dead, alive, one dead/one alive. I've never thought or seen someone say that Clark's American values are wrong with alive parents or Pa Kent dead. People prefer one or the other or neither or not care cause Superman is what they care about. It's up to the writing/characterization.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I was going to say the same about the Crush...flat, or watered down orange soda...

All this Crush soda hate!

 

[Hellion]

All this Crush soda hate!

But I collect cans, still have my unopened Star Wars Prequels, Avengers, and such...

...so if I notice any FF I'll pick em up...

...because I'm excited for the film...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I didn't say anyone had to like or wait to discuss.

I'm not sure. But by the same token, I've seen this scenario before, so that's why I'm waiting. Not because I'm not a FF fan, Trank defenders, or a Fox troll(ie where I stop defending my fellow comic fans when they unfairly label me).

Superman's parents have been dead, alive, one dead/one alive. I've never thought or seen someone say that Clark's American values are wrong with alive parents or Pa Kent dead. People prefer one or the other or neither or not care cause Superman is what they care about. It's up to the writing/characterization.

... but clark was still always raised by ma and pa kent..... and he didn't have siblings to interact with.... so why would anyone question any of that? that seems like a really bad comparison... lol

here's a better... MoS supes was raised by a more morally grey Pa Kent... I mean.. he wouldn't let clark save him.... and we kinda got a morally grey supes... with him killing Zod... while as Smallville got the classic "always do the right thing no matter the cost" Pa Kent... and we got a clark that reflected that...

then you have Raimi's Peter.. who didn't care or spend any time thinking about his birth parents... and then we got Webb who had a Peter who constantly dwelled on his bio parents...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But I collect cans, still have my unopened Star Wars Prequels, Avengers, and such...

...so if I notice any FF I'll pick em up...

...because I'm excited for the film...

id watch that.. unopened soda cans can tend to be eroded by the acidity of the soda... my episode 1 cans all pretty much got destroyed that way.. came home one day.. and the cubbard was leaking with 10 year old syrup.... it was gross a few cans managed to eat little holes into the cans.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

... but clark was still always raised by ma and pa kent..... and he didn't have siblings to interact with.... so why would anyone question any of that? that seems like a really bad comparison... lol

here's a better... MoS supes was raised by a more morally grey Pa Kent... I mean.. he wouldn't let clark save him.... and we kinda got a morally grey supes... with him killing Zod... while as Smallville got the classic "always do the right thing no matter the cost" Pa Kent... and we got a clark that reflected that...

LoL. The MOS/Sup/Smallville/L&C was my point. The writing. Them just being there gave you no indication of how they were actually going to show their dynamic/effect on Clark. Smallville and Superman lost Pa at the same point yet one when to the Fortress and became Superman while the other just did stuff for six years.


AsS is my favorite cause Pa saw him become Superman before he died.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

LoL. The MOS/Sup/Smallville/L&C was my point. The writing. Them just being there gave you no indication of how they were actually going to show their dynamic/effect on Clark. Smallville and Superman lost Pa at the same point yet one when to the Fortress and became Superman while the other just did stuff for six years.

but that's just it... the writing is everything.. and what they dwell on or not. But again.. the parents still raised clark in both examples

 

[Paradox1]

... but clark was still always raised by ma and pa kent..... and he didn't have siblings to interact with.... so why would anyone question any of that? that seems like a really bad comparison... lol

here's a better... MoS supes was raised by a more morally grey Pa Kent... I mean.. he wouldn't let clark save him.... and we kinda got a morally grey supes... with him killing Zod... while as Smallville got the classic "always do the right thing no matter the cost" Pa Kent... and we got a clark that reflected that...

then you have Raimi's Peter.. who didn't care or spend any time thinking about his birth parents... and then we got Webb who had a Peter who constantly dwelled on his bio parents...

I never thought Pa Kent in Man of Steel was grey, he seemed not so different than any other version of the character. With their number one motivation always being protect his son. I always thought when he told Clark to stand down, he was teaching his final lesson, a lesson on sacrifice. Which was something he'd carry on through the rest of the film by first giving himself to Zod for the sake of humanity and then by killing him.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Hey guys

 

[TheComicbookKid]

but that's just it... the writing is everything.. and what they dwell on or not. But again.. the parents still raised clark in both examples

But Clark at six or seven isn't what is focused on, it's before he leaves to become Superman or Metropolis. That's the dynamic that matters.

Franklin being their is more disruptive, imo, to the dynamic of not only Sue and Johnny but also Reed as the leader of the FF. Race didn't even matter.

That's what so of threw me about the discussion. I was looking left and most people were looking right. Whiplash.

 

[Tony Stark]

How? All I said was i'm interested by what I've seen. Where's the twist?

By not accepting the fact that people that don't like this project are free to post here.

Did he call you(understood) a racist fanboy?

Or did he call out racist fanboys?

Like women calling out catcallers as sexual harassers didn't mean every man who talks to them on the street. If you aren't a catcaller, they weren't talking to you.

"People using racist logic to argue they aren't racist will never cease to amaze me"

Sounds to me he's saying people that don't like the race change, but say they aren't racist, are racist.

Yeah, and showing people everything in six trailers like AmSpidey 2 didn't help either. It is what it is. A good movie will be a good movie. A bad one, a bad one. People didn't like Power Ranger GG in Raimi but still went with it.

That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about getting people excited for the movie. I don't see anything that's been done here, getting people excited for the film.

 

[Quasar]

If the Crush Soda had Ant-Man ads on it, none of you all would be hating on it!

 

[Kelly]

If the Crush Soda had Ant-Man ads on it, none of you all would be hating on it!

Hmmm.... doubtful, they would be wondering why Disney/Marvel did not get a bigger brand name like they did with The Avengers movies (Dr. Pepper). That would have been the question.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Under 2 months to go and still hardly any promotion for the movie.

 

[Hellion]

id watch that.. unopened soda cans can tend to be eroded by the acidity of the soda... my episode 1 cans all pretty much got destroyed that way.. came home one day.. and the cubbard was leaking with 10 year old syrup.... it was gross a few cans managed to eat little holes into the cans.

Thanks for the warning, now I can't finish my work and have leaking, eroding, acidic cans on the brain...

...*runs off to find cans in garage...

 

[starscream22]

Marvel hardcore fans are the new Nolan hardcore fans.

Sure and Sony-Marvel fans converted to full time Fox-Marvel Fans. Since the New Nolan fans were all collect about the downward spiral of Spidey films.

Fun fact: Disney is currently behind a variety of animated Marvel television shows that a great deal of fans ******* hate. And despite my (completely farcical) signature, I think Disney has made some pretty bad movies before. I'm not rushing to Amazon to buy every one of those direct to video animated film sequels they once flooded the market with. Though it is amusing to think of someone passionately defending Cinderella 2: The Quickening (or whatever the **** it was called) because somehow that defends Kevin Feige's honor.

I've spoke on this several times. I don't support any of their animated lineup as it stands.

If the Crush Soda had Ant-Man ads on it, none of you all would be hating on it!

Pfft nonsense! I buy whatever soda is on sale that week at Acme.

 

[Sithborg]

Under 2 months to go and still hardly any promotion for the movie.

It's not much, but they maybe starting to ramp things up.

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[spideyboy_1111]

I never thought Pa Kent in Man of Steel was grey, he seemed not so different than any other version of the character. With their number one motivation always being protect his son. I always thought when he told Clark to stand down, he was teaching his final lesson, a lesson on sacrifice. Which was something he'd carry on through the rest of the film by first giving himself to Zod for the sake of humanity and then by killing him.

well.. cheers to you.. because it's one of the most controversial scenes and universally loathed scenes in the film... I know that that's what they were going for.. but it was terribly ineffective.. and basically painted his parents focused on the secret and paranoia of what "may happen to clark" then the "hero" aspect. I didn't think they pulled that off very well at all.. it looked silly and ridiculous to me. Every superman ive grown up with would have defied his father to save him anyway....

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If the Crush Soda had Ant-Man ads on it, none of you all would be hating on it!

... yeah, i'd still say it's a cheap soda.. and find it odd the marketing wasn't with the usual Dr. Pepper, Mountain Dew, Pepsi like they usually seem to be

 

[Kelly]

I have to confess, I love "Man of Steel" probably #1 on my CB movie list.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmm.... doubtful, they would be wondering why Disney/Marvel did not get a bigger brand name like they did with The Avengers movies (Dr. Pepper). That would have been the question.

^this, I think the fact they're using Orange Crush over the bigger brands for product placement also speaks volumes