Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - Part 40

[TheVileOne]

At the end of the day, Trank's a filmmaker and seen as an artist of sorts. So that makes some people sympathetic to his plight.

I believe Trank's take was really that he wanted to make Chronicle 2 with a bigger budget...except he did it with Fantastic Four, which he should not have been allowed to do.

Fox probably thought they were getting The Dark Knight version of Fantastic Four.

 

[MadVillainy]

I believe Trank's take was really that he wanted to make Chronicle 2 with a bigger budget...except he did it with Fantastic Four, which he should not have been allowed to do.

Boom. That's it.

I mean it could've been a cool sequel to Chronicle. Some new kids or soldiers come in contact with the thing that gave the original teens their powers. Except this time they get more body horror, Cronenber-esque changes.
That's a good set up for Chronicle 2, not Fantastic Four. I don't want a dark, gritty Fantastic Four and that's what Trank set out to do. I don't get why people are defending a guy who wanted to change the very core of who the characters are.

I guess it's as Vile One said, he's an artist and people sympathize with him against "evil" corporations

 

[C. Lee]

At the end of the day, Trank's a filmmaker and seen as an artist of sorts. So that makes some people sympathetic to his plight.

I believe Trank's take was really that he wanted to make Chronicle 2 with a bigger budget...except he did it with Fantastic Four, which he should not have been allowed to do.

Fox probably thought they were getting The Dark Knight version of Fantastic Four.

My thoughts too.....and I read your review, good job on that.

 

[TheVileOne]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/04/08/kate-mara-talks-fantastic-four-reboot

One of the earlier major warning signs.

"I don't really know much about it, but we're starting in a few weeks."

My guess is Kate Mara's agent read the script and Kate Mara saw the rest of the cast lineup and figured, "Hey, this will be cool and big for my career."

Not trying to be cruel to Kate Mara. I think she's a talented performer. There is just something so interesting about her face and aura that draws me in. Like she is almost otherworldly beautiful. However, sometimes I almost get the sense that some actors will pretty much say yes to anything. How could you not know anything about a big superhero movie you are about to do for a big studio? Here is what I don't get. You are an actor and trying to make it and ascend in the business. Maybe you want to get to a level of an Anne Hathaway or Jennifer Lawrence. Maybe not. Maybe you are trying to carve out your own niche. Maybe you are looking for a level of creative control or career trajectory. Like the power to decide whatever project you want and live comfortably in the offseason.

Now maybe Mara, despite all her time in the business, feels she's not in a good position to turn down a role like this. It's attracted enough talent that it will look good I suppose. However, I mean...is Kate Mara not in a good position to say no to this flick? Like if she says no she wouldn't get a really big opportunity again? OK, but she says yes...why not learn more about the project you signed up for? That's what I don't get. If this is your career, shouldn't actors take a more aggressive approach toward the work they are doing?

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/04/08/kate-mara-talks-fantastic-four-reboot

One of the earlier major warning signs.

"I don't really know much about it, but we're starting in a few weeks."

Who can forget that infamous interview?

 

[socool]

At the end of the day, Trank's a filmmaker and seen as an artist of sorts. So that makes some people sympathetic to his plight.

I believe Trank's take was really that he wanted to make Chronicle 2 with a bigger budget...except he did it with Fantastic Four, which he should not have been allowed to do.

Fox probably thought they were getting The Dark Knight version of Fantastic Four.

Worse even; that probably would've been better than what we got.

But yes, 100% agreed. I do kind of feel for Trank. He did get burned here. Outbreak or no, Fox ****ed with his film and gave him a permanent 9%'er on RT. For his second film. That looks bad for anyone and this is Josh Trank.

This movie. Yeesh.

 

[Dark Raven]

Boom. That's it.

I mean it could've been a cool sequel to Chronicle. Some new kids or soldiers come in contact with the thing that gave the original teens their powers. Except this time they get more body horror, Cronenber-esque changes.
That's a good set up for Chronicle 2, not Fantastic Four. I don't want a dark, gritty Fantastic Four and that's what Trank set out to do. I don't get why people are defending a guy who wanted to change the very core of who the characters are.

I guess it's as Vile One said, he's an artist and people sympathize with him against "evil" corporations

Is it possible for Fox to repackage this as Chronicle 2 when it comes to BR and DVD?

For Tom Cruise's film "Edge of Tomorrow" last year, the tagline "Live, Die, Repeat" was emphasised on the DVD covers in much larger font than the film's actual title.

And other things in the past have been stripped of their association with something else. For example, there used to be a Mrs Columbo spin-off TV series starring Star Trek Voyager's Kate Mulgrew. She was meant to be the wife of the classic TV detective Columbo.

However, as it says on Wikipedia:

"Due to the negative critical and public reaction to the show, the producers made changes to Mrs. Columbo almost immediately. The spin-off was renamed Kate Columbo, followed by Kate the Detective, and finally Kate Loves a Mystery. The main character was likewise renamed "Kate Callahan"; all references to and ties with the original Columbo show were dropped. After this, a reference was made in the show to Kate's divorce: the character was no longer Mrs. Columbo nor was she meant to have any connection with him at all."

So couldn't the same be done with FFINO eventually? It might actually sell better if not associated with FF at all, particularly if they want to do a director's cut of Trank's original vision which might be more coherent than what was put out.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Because ultimately, the true blame lies at the feet not of the cast or the director, but at Fox, because from its very inception, this project was a cynical rights grab and a rush-job, being made for all the wrong reasons. It wasn't being made because they had a good story to tell, or they thought they had a marketable project, or they believed in the property. It was made because the rights were due to return to Marvel and they had to excrete SOMETHING out. And the fact that $100+ million can be splurged on what is the cinematic equivalent of a shrug and a "Meh, that'll do" is pretty damn shocking, and an indictment of the worst of film blockbuster culture and Hollywood excess. Any film working from these motivations as a starting point is at the very least faced with an extreme uphill struggle, and at worst utterly doomed from the outset.

 

[MadVillainy]

Is it possible for Fox to repackage this as Chronicle 2 when it comes to BR and DVD?

For Tom Cruise's film "Edge of Tomorrow" last year, the tagline "Live, Die, Repeat" was emphasised on the DVD covers in much larger font than the film's actual title.

And other things in the past have been stripped of their association with something else. For example, there used to be a Mrs Columbo spin-off TV series starring Star Trek Voyager's Kate Mulgrew. She was meant to be the wife of the classic TV detective Columbo.

However, as it says on Wikipedia:

So couldn't the same be done with FFINO eventually? It might actually sell better if not associated with FF at all, particularly if they want to do a director's cut of Trank's original vision which might be more coherent than what was put out.

We should have no such luck

 

[TheVileOne]

My thoughts too.....and I read your review, good job on that.

Thanks C. Lee, I try.

 

[Eddie]

Fox will just slap a huge MARVEL logo on the home release cover. They called the home release of Dragonball Evolution "Dragonball Evolution The Z Edition" to try to bank off of the fanbase (which, in America, tends to prefer Dragon Ball Z).

 

[MadVillainy]

I blame FOX for giving this the go ahead. But I hold FOX and Tra responsible for the final product.

 

[Double B]

I blame FOX for giving this the go ahead. But I hold FOX and Tra responsible for the final product.

Basically.

Trank can now protest all he likes about his ruined vision. I don't think his original vision would be much better. Both parties are to blame.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I do think that fans complain way too much about any change, no matter how small, that is made but that still doesn't change FF's special case in particular. It's at a studio that hates the property and was directed by someone whom obviously dislikes the property as well. Nobody involved actually liked the Fantastic Four and thus you get something like the new film coming out and stinking up theaters. I suppose the hatred wouldn't mean as much if the film we're actually decent.

I'm fine with change, as long as it's needed or can enhance the story.. but if it's change for the sake of change.. "just cuz" i can't get behind that...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm fine with change, as long as it's needed or can enhance the story.. but if it's change for the sake of change.. "just cuz" i can't get behind that...

I don't disagree with you. Changing Victor Von Doom's last name is one of those unnecessary, change for changes sake situation. Stuff like that I don't care for.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I do think that fans complain way too much about any change, no matter how small, that is made but that still doesn't change FF's special case in particular. It's at a studio that hates the property and was directed by someone whom obviously dislikes the property as well. Nobody involved actually liked the Fantastic Four and thus you get something like the new film coming out and stinking up theaters. I suppose the hatred wouldn't mean as much if the film we're actually decent.

Trank talked about the first guy he worked with on the script being a HUGE fan, but he was replaced by the DOFP writer.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/04/08/kate-mara-talks-fantastic-four-reboot

One of the earlier major warning signs.

"I don't really know much about it, but we're starting in a few weeks."

My guess is Kate Mara's agent read the script and Kate Mara saw the rest of the cast lineup and figured, "Hey, this will be cool and big for my career."

Not trying to be cruel to Kate Mara. I think she's a talented performer. There is just something so interesting about her face and aura that draws me in. Like she is almost otherworldly beautiful. However, sometimes I almost get the sense that some actors will pretty much say yes to anything. How could you not know anything about a big superhero movie you are about to do for a big studio? Here is what I don't get. You are an actor and trying to make it and ascend in the business. Maybe you want to get to a level of an Anne Hathaway or Jennifer Lawrence. Maybe not. Maybe you are trying to carve out your own niche. Maybe you are looking for a level of creative control or career trajectory. Like the power to decide whatever project you want and live comfortably in the offseason.

Now maybe Mara, despite all her time in the business, feels she's not in a good position to turn down a role like this. It's attracted enough talent that it will look good I suppose. However, I mean...is Kate Mara not in a good position to say no to this flick? Like if she says no she wouldn't get a really big opportunity again? OK, but she says yes...why not learn more about the project you signed up for? That's what I don't get. If this is your career, shouldn't actors take a more aggressive approach toward the work they are doing?

Mara isn't a star so she almost assuredly auditioned. I mean Hathaway is a bigger star than Mara and had to audition for Catwoman in The Dark Knight. If you auditioned for a huge role and won it you would play in the film as well. You never know what is going to hit.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Mara isn't a star so she almost assuredly auditioned. I mean Hathaway is a bigger star than Mara and had to audition for Catwoman in The Dark Knight. If you auditioned for a huge role and won it you would play in the film as well. You never know what is going to hit.

She was the only member on the team who auditioned according to Trank. MBJ and Teller were picked by him from the beginning. I know ya'll don't want to listen to his voice right now, but the most recent Trank interview with Smith is all about the casting/script process for this movie.

 

[Eddie]

For those that don't check INO:

Looks like the timeskip was supposed to be three years.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

She was the only member on the team who auditioned according to Trank. MBJ and Teller were picked by him from the beginning. I know ya'll don't want to listen to his voice right now, but the most recent Trank interview with Smith is all about the casting/script process for this movie.

Wasn't Margot Robbie up for the role as well or was that a ******** rumor?

 

[VictorDomashev]

Wasn't Margot Robbie up for the role as well or was that a ******** rumor?

Either way she dodged a bullet

 

[Eddie]

Not sure about Robbie, but Emmy Rossum was supposedly up for it. Thank God she didn't get it. The poor woman already did her bad Fox comic adaptation.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Wasn't Margot Robbie up for the role as well or was that a ******** rumor?

He didn't mention the other actress. He said he met with a few, but Mara was the one. I got the impression that the main cast of MBJ, Teller, Bell signed on without any script written. It was based on their friendship with Trank.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Have you guys read Harry Knowel's review of the film? He of course liked it enough to see it a second time. The best part is when he claims that if you disliked this film by no means should you have liked any of the live action Batman films.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Have you guys read Harry Knowel's review of the film? He of course liked it enough to see it a second time. The best part is when he claims that if you disliked this film by no means should you have liked any of the live action Batman films.

I'm soooo glad I stopped reading AICN long go. LAwd.