Fant4stic Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - Part 40

[Dark Raven]

I don't know if the short running time is the problem. What about these TV pilots that are 1 hour (or occasionally 90 mins)? They often can fit a lot into the pilot and set up enough without the entire thing feeling rushed while leaving the audience wanting more. They simply have better pacing.

 

[Zantera]

I don't know if the short running time is the problem. What about these TV pilots that are 1 hour (or occasionally 90 mins)? They often can fit a lot into the pilot and set up enough without the entire thing feeling rushed while leaving the audience wanting more. They simply have better pacing.

I'm confident you could make a good 100 minute origin movie if it was one superhero, but setting up a team of four and giving them all personalities and characteristics, that's harder. Trank managed to make the leads in Chronicle believable, but that movie didn't go much into the science of things. The guys got their powers and after that it was more a study on how they were affected. With FF, the science of it all took up a big chunk.

I think a longer running time could have made a lot of things better, but Doom still looked ugly as hell, nothing would have changed there.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I don't know if the short running time is the problem. What about these TV pilots that are 1 hour (or occasionally 90 mins)? They often can fit a lot into the pilot and set up enough without the entire thing feeling rushed while leaving the audience wanting more. They simply have better pacing.

Well that's more of a taste of what's to come. A movie shouldn't be that. It should be able to stand on its own legs and have character arcs and development within its own running time. Shows have the luxury of being able to set up in a pilot and then having hours upon hours more of character development.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

About the 3 action set pieces, Fox told Trank days before shooting began that he had to get rid of those 3 set pieces.

 

[Nemeres]

Well, this is a bummer. If it had turned out alright, it would have been the shutting up to end them all, given that nothing about the basic attitude of this approach would have kept it from being good - good cast, interesting enough sci-fi premise - had it had what it takes. Proud rooter for this until the bitter end, though. It was the good fight.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm confident you could make a good 100 minute origin movie if it was one superhero, but setting up a team of four and giving them all personalities and characteristics, that's harder. Trank managed to make the leads in Chronicle believable, but that movie didn't go much into the science of things. The guys got their powers and after that it was more a study on how they were affected. With FF, the science of it all took up a big chunk.

I think a longer running time could have made a lot of things better, but Doom still looked ugly as hell, nothing would have changed there.

Well the Incredibles is 115 minutes, and that has a number of action set pieces and good character development. If that same exact movie had been made in live action and were the FF instead, that would be an awesome FF movie.

 

[JtheDreamer]

Well the Incredibles is 115 minutes, and that has a number of action set pieces and good character development. If that same exact movie had been made in live action and were the FF instead, that would be an awesome FF movie.

Set pieces? The Incredibles is a CGI movie.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Fox had hoped for at least $40 million as it goes about trying to reboot one of its marquee franchises, but the movie is no doubt being hurt by scathing reviews, as well as drama whipped up by the director.

8 hours old, I guess this has already been discussed. But OUCH.

 

[Eddie]

Set pieces? The Incredibles is a CGI movie.

It's still appropriate to use set piece when referring to animation.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm confident you could make a good 100 minute origin movie if it was one superhero, but setting up a team of four and giving them all personalities and characteristics, that's harder. Trank managed to make the leads in Chronicle believable, but that movie didn't go much into the science of things. The guys got their powers and after that it was more a study on how they were affected. With FF, the science of it all took up a big chunk.

I think a longer running time could have made a lot of things better, but Doom still looked ugly as hell, nothing would have changed there.

Yeah one I could understand but it seems a little short for a film about a team of Superheroes. Maybe it could be good but they are going to have to use every minute wisely.

 

[JtheDreamer]

It's still appropriate to use set piece when referring to animation.

I beg to differ.

 

[Serpico Jones]

If what the guys on Collider Movie Talk said is true then I really do feel sorry for Trank because he got sabotaged. They said a week before filming Fox cut out 3 action set pieces and they also locked him out of the editing room in post. Jon Schnepp says Trank's visual effects supervisor, who is an Oscar winner, was fired mid-way through production and no one told the director. The visual effects guy quit the industry. These are some of the shenanigans that went on behind the scenes.

 

[Eddie]

I beg to differ.

set piece
NOUN
a thing that has been carefully or elaborately planned or composed, in particular.
a self-contained passage or section of a novel, play, film, or piece of music arranged in an elaborate or conventional pattern for maximum effect:
"the film lurches from one comic set piece to another"
a formal and carefully structured speech.
a carefully organized and practiced move in a team game by which the ball is returned to play, as at a scrum in rugby or a free kick in soccer.
an arrangement of fireworks forming a picture or design.


Set piece is used to describe sections in novels. It is not a term exclusive to live-action film.

 

[Farren]

If what the guys on Collider Movie Talk said is true then I really do feel sorry for Trank because he got sabotaged. They said a week before filming Fox cut out 3 action set pieces and they also locked him out of the editing room in post. Jon Schnepp says Trank's visual effects supervisor, who is an Oscar winner, was fired mid-way through production and no one told the director. The visual effects guy quit the industry. These are some of the shenanigans that went on behind the scenes.

Yeah that really jumped out at me. I mean, maybe Schnepp heard a version that had gotten distorted but, yeah, wow.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I beg to differ.

Then you would be wrong.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think "set piece" simply refers to there being a live set. It's more related to a planned big action sequence that you intend to showcase in your story, whether it's a book, animation, cartoon etc. Besides, in live action movies they are often filmed on location where there is no set as such either.

 

[wobbly]

About the 3 action set pieces, Fox told Trank days before shooting began that he had to get rid of those 3 set pieces.

Really? Well that would be at odds with Trank's claim just yesterday that the film he had a year ago (after he had finished shooting and was in post) was 'fantastic'.

I think it more likely any cuts or changes were done after Fox saw his 'rough cut', not before.

 

[Dark Raven]

I thought the 3 set pieces were taken out of the script and he wasn't even given the budget for them, not that he actually had filmed them and they were removed.

 

[MadVillainy]

I thought the 3 set pieces were taken out of the script and he wasn't even given the budget for them, not that he actually had filmed them and they were removed.

and that happens all the time so I dont think Trank defenders can use that as an excuse...if that's true.

Honestly the last couple of days are the first time i heard about these 3 set pieces. Would love a source from somebody

 

[wobbly]

I thought the 3 set pieces were taken out of the script and he wasn't even given the budget for them, not that he actually had filmed them and they were removed.

Well that's my point: If these alleged scenes are to blame then why would Trank be saying the film he had after shooting was 'fantastic'. It would still have had problems, if those scenes were so important and removed before shooting.

Plus we know one was definitely worked on: The Thing being dropped from a helicopter used in most of the tv spots.

 

[X-Maniac]

I beg to differ.

In movie production, the term 'setpiece' has nothing to do with a film's physical 'set'. It just means a big scene, whether action or otherwise.

"A set piece is an extended scene or sequence that exploits the setting or "world" of the movie to build from one joke or thrill to a series of same, climaxing in a satisfyingly big pay-off topper." Source

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Well that's my point: If these alleged scenes are to blame then why would Trank be saying the film he had after shooting was 'fantastic'. It would still have had problems, if those scenes were so important and removed before shooting.

Plus we know one was definitely worked on: The Thing being dropped from a helicopter used in most of the tv spots.

I don't remember who the reviewer was but I remember reading that he saw the rough cut and that there was a whole sequence of the thing in action that was removed from the official release. Im guessing it has to do with the helicopter scene.

 

[Eddie]

I don't remember who the reviewer was but I remember reading that he saw the rough cut and that tthere was a whole sequence of the thing in action that was removed. Im guessing it has to do with the helicopter scene.

It has to be the military weapon bit, yeah. It's still in the commercials.

 

[mkilban2]

I'm an hour into the movie (watching on a crappy torrent) and it's honestly great so far. I haven't had one problem with it. Theres still about an hour and a half left so I'll come back then and give a full assessment.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm an hour into the movie (watching on a crappy torrent) and it's honestly great so far. I haven't had one problem with it. Theres still about an hour and a half left so I'll come back then and give a full assessment.

So you're an hour into it and there's still an hour and a half left? So you're watching a 2 and half hour version?