Fantastic Four 1994 vs recent Fantastic Four movie

[kainedamo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxWWfXscJs&mode=related&search=

That's a 10 minute clip of the 1994 movie. It may be cheap and low budget. But I tell you what, from just that clip alone it's got alot more heart and character than the recent... mess. They also get Doom right from the looks of things. It may be cheesy, but no more cheesy than the recent movie.

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Man you must be high t othin kthats better. The most recent one without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[gerbstat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxWWfXscJs&mode=related&search=

That's a 10 minute clip of the 1994 movie. It may be cheap and low budget. But I tell you what, from just that clip alone it's got alot more heart and character than the recent... mess. They also get Doom right from the looks of things. It may be cheesy, but no more cheesy than the recent movie.

Oh, I don't think you saw the closing scene, or you would never have said that. I could have done better stretching effects with a glove and a broomstick. Come to think of it, I think that's what Corman did use...

 

[Ulic Queldroma]

I've seen the whole film (in fact I have it on CD somewhere) and to say it's even slightly better than the new FF is hilarious. The thing has his brow, but looks like a rejected Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle, Reed looks like a creepy paunchy pedophile, Johnny is annoying beyond all belief and Sue acts like she 's a soap opera actress who got fired cause she can't act. Not to mention the blue and white costumes with the felt 4's on them. Doom looked enough like Doom, but his costume looked like it was purchased for 50 bucks at a local costume shop. His acting was horrendous as was everyone else's. And as for the closing scene, while the new movie's ending could have been better, it could have been worse. Take for instance the wedding at the end of FF 94. Reed is in his costume and sue in a wedding dress. They jump in their limo and as it drives away a giant puppet hand shoots out of the sunroof and waves at the wedding guests. It looked like a muppet was joining them on the honeymoon. The film is only good for a laugh. This one was fun, the chemistry was good and the effects were great, esp. Johnny's. Admittedly, the script was lacking and Doom wasn't nearly as intimidating as he should have been, but all in all it was a much, much, much better film than the latter. Now I will step off of my soap box and have breakfast.

UQ

 

[FOG3]

I like the old movie, I think alot of stuff works. Im not really that bothered by the special effects because theyre the quality I would expect from that movie. I do like the new one better mainly because I think the actors fit their parts much better. But the old one has a good story, except for where Susan is revealed to be like 20 years younger than Reed. I also really dislike the actress who plays Alicia Master. I shouldnt expect much from a movie like this I know, but she is truly terrible..

I think the really stupid mistake that both movies make is changing The Thing back into Ben Grimm for 5 minutes.. I dont know if that ever happened in the comics (Id be surprised if it didnt) but I think its a stretch in both stories for the movies. Both make the mistake of trying to sum up his characterization with him deciding to turn back into the Thing so fast after spending the entire movie hating himself for being the Thing. I thought it was really dumb in both movies.

 

[markie06]

well i liked the new movie better and so what if it wasnt perfert! it sure was better then the old movie. and i dont care what some of you nayasyers think i liked ff for what it was and im glad that they will make a seqeul and its going to be good liked the first.t:

 

[gerbstat]

I like the old movie, I think alot of stuff works. Im not really that bothered by the special effects because theyre the quality I would expect from that movie. I do like the new one better mainly because I think the actors fit their parts much better. But the old one has a good story, except for where Susan is revealed to be like 20 years younger than Reed. I also really dislike the actress who plays Alicia Master. I shouldnt expect much from a movie like this I know, but she is truly terrible..

I think the really stupid mistake that both movies make is changing The Thing back into Ben Grimm for 5 minutes.. I dont know if that ever happened in the comics (Id be surprised if it didnt) but I think its a stretch in both stories for the movies. Both make the mistake of trying to sum up his characterization with him deciding to turn back into the Thing so fast after spending the entire movie hating himself for being the Thing. I thought it was really dumb in both movies.[/QUOTE]

The Thing often changed back to human form for a few minutes or hours in the early days (#1-100), often as a result of Reed's attempts to "cure" him. I think the change/decision was more believable in the second movie than the first, where no reason for the change was ever mentioned.

I think the character's gradual acceptance of his form over the years (in the comic) is a much more believable scenario, but what can ya do in 1-2 hours..

 

[TripleF]

Just wow.

 

[Carp Man]

I think the really stupid mistake that both movies make is changing The Thing back into Ben Grimm for 5 minutes.. I dont know if that ever happened in the comics (Id be surprised if it didnt) but I think its a stretch in both stories for the movies. Both make the mistake of trying to sum up his characterization with him deciding to turn back into the Thing so fast after spending the entire movie hating himself for being the Thing. I thought it was really dumb in both movies.

During the 1st 120 issues of the FF, The Thing changed back 1 time. Reed had found a way to reverses the effects of the cosmic rays, ( not Alecia telling Ben she loved him like in the awful FF 94 movie ) just like in the movie. It was a machine, like the comic. The only difference was, in the comic, Reed told Ben once he became Ben Grimm again, if he ever returned to being the Thing, he could never change back again. It was a 1 time, 1 way transformation. Then in the next issue, he had to return to being the Thing in order to save Alecia's life. So at the end of the film Reed saying he could adjust things, and the Thing could be once again transformed to Ben Grimm, was not in keeping with the comic.

 

[gerbstat]

During the 1st 120 issues of the FF, The Thing changed back 1 time. Reed had found a way to reverses the effects of the cosmic rays, ( not Alecia telling Ben she loved him like in the awful FF 94 movie ) just like in the movie. It was a machine, like the comic. The only difference was, in the comic, Reed told Ben once he became Ben Grimm again, if he ever returned to being the Thing, he could never change back again. It was a 1 time, 1 way transformation. Then in the next issue, he had to return to being the Thing in order to save Alecia's life. So at the end of the film Reed saying he could adjust things, and the Thing could be once again transformed to Ben Grimm, was not in keeping with the comic.

WHAAAT? He changed back temporarily many times. Check #'s 4,8,9,11,19, etc....

 

[matthooper]

They are both equally bad films. The difference is that FF 1994 was produced with no budget with a B movie mentality and not taken seriously. FF 2004 was produced with a large budget and meant to be a good comic film.

They both fail, but one of the films has an excuse.

 

[TripleF]

In My Opinion goes a long way.

 

[K.B.]

I think the 94 got a lot more right than the new one. Yeah its cheesey and made on the cheap but it is enjoyable to watch.
The new one was total garbage from preproduction right to the dvd release.
The only thing they got right was the Human Torch.
Also you know its bad when a Roger Corman Thing or Dr.Doom costume looks a million times better then a "studio" one.

 

[gerbstat]

I think the 94 got a lot more right than the new one. Yeah its cheesey and made on the cheap but it is enjoyable to watch.
The new one was total garbage from preproduction right to the dvd release.
The only thing they got right was the Human Torch.
Also you know its bad when a Roger Corman Thing or Dr.Doom costume looks a million times better then a "studio" one.

We can agree that the Human Torch of the Fox movie was superior to the animated flaming Jon Gnagy art manniken that was used for the Corman movie. In fact, I thought the recent Human Torch effects were, well, fantastic.

To me, the new Thing and Mr. Fantastic effects were far superior to the Corman effort. The 94 Thing looked too much like the Toxic Avenger to me - stiff and unbelieveable. While the Thing suit in the new movie was not the Thing we've come to know, it looked right somehow. The pictures I've seen with the enhanced brow now really look great.

I thought Reed's stretching in the new movie was quite believable, even though many did not like the use of his power to get a roll of toilet paper. To me that scene was perfectly in keeping with the established Marvel tradition: 1. Ya got superpowers
2. Now how would a real person with superpowers use them in a "real" world?

Now, if I was stranded without TP and could stretch over to the closet and get a roll, I'd do it. Why not Reed?

The 94 movie is fun to watch as a fan, but between the effects, the Jeweler, the two eastern europeans with bad accents, the overacting by Doom, a very obnoxious and hyper Johnny Storm, and the really really bad oboe theme music, I don't think it approaches the caliber of the Fox movie.

In my opinion.

 

[K.B.]

The current ff movie is just bad.They took something that could have been good and could have put some wonder back into movies that has been sorely missing for years and instead they puked this up. It wasnt faithful to the source materiel in anyway. I honestly don't think anyone who sits there and tries to say it's more faithful than the spider man films or x-men or superman (donner) has read a comic in they're life.
Like I said , they got Johnny right but thats it.

 

[TripleF]

The current ff movie is just bad.They took something that could have been good and could have put some wonder back into movies that has been sorely missing for years and instead they puked this up. It wasnt faithful to the source materiel in anyway. I honestly don't think anyone who sits there and tries to say it's more faithful than the spider man films or x-men or superman (donner) has read a comic in they're life.
Like I said , they got Johnny right but thats it.

LMAO, you weren't doing too well on you're first thread so you decided to change threads. lol

I'd actually agree with some of what you've said, but you weaked your stand man.

 

[K.B.]

No I'm on a few threads on here man.
And how did I weaken my stance?I have always said that this new ff film was bad and the only thing they did right was the human torch.

 

[gerbstat]

No I'm on a few threads on here man.
And how did I weaken my stance?I have always said that this new ff film was bad and the only thing they did right was the human torch.

Please clarify:

Was it the visuals that they did not get right, rhe characterization, or what?

IN MY OPINION-
They were DEAD ON with the visuals and personality of the Torch (I don't care about the lack of blond hair).

They were also DEAD ON with the personality of Ben Grimm & Thing. The suit was off a bit, but captured the ESSENCE of the character. It can be improved upon.

They were DEAD ON with the interaction between the Thing & Torch.

The rest could be improved upon, and hopefully they will be.

 

[TripleF]

No I'm on a few threads on here man.
And how did I weaken my stance?I have always said that this new ff film was bad and the only thing they did right was the human torch.

Your point is weak because you haven't given any reasons for your "its gonna suck" mentality. Give some meat. I think that point has been said to you a few times, yet you give the same weak answer. "It's gonna suck" so Why?

And no, as far as this subject, in this forum, these are the only 2 threads you've been on.

 

[Malus]

It wasnt faithful to the source materiel in anyway. I honestly don't think anyone who sits there and tries to say it's more faithful than the spider man films or x-men or superman (donner) has read a comic in they're life.

There you go again, accusing the pro-FF film camp of not having read a comic in "they're" life.
Frankly, it's obvious that most of the participants here have read more FF comics (and comics in general) than you. Or maybe we just paid more attention to what we were reading?
When you say FF1 wasn't faithful to the source "materiel" in "anyway," what are you talking about?? (Yeah, X-Men 3 was soooo faithful.)
And you think the Corman Thing & Dr. Doom look "a million times better" than the Fox versions?
Wow.

 

[K.B.]

I never said anythign was wrong with the Human Torch..like I said its all they got right.
The cast (except for Evens) was the wrong choice. Redd was a dumbass. Alba is not all that attractive (sorry shes a "plain jane") and lacks the motherly way and look Sue should have. the Thing suit sucked balls. He looked more like a burn victim with downs syndrome than the thing.
Dr. Doom was TERRIBLE. From charecter to costume to "powers" total garbage. Doom is the number ONE bad guy. EVER. Yet he got *****-fied.
(and the electrical powers and growing of metal skin...wtf?)
And for people who allegidly "pay attention" you sure missed the terrible writing in this flick. I'm not looking for "americas greatest stroy" here but what about the line of.... REED:" ..But I thoguht you and Victor were..."

SUE:"Oh Reed, we were never anything."

SHE WAS READY TO MARRY HIM!!!!!!! and even someone wants to ignore this part..she was still with him for a number of years. That is something.

I'm not saying 94 is the best adaptaion ever just that even through it's cheese, got more right than this one did. This new F.F. should have had the most amazing visuals,story,and heros and villain, that has been sorly lacking in movies.

Sorry folks the new F.F. film failed horribly. It was just another one of Marvels trying to cash in and make money a quick buck schemes that they pass off as movies.

 

[gerbstat]

I never said anythign was wrong with the Human Torch..like I said its all they got right....
.. I'm not saying 94 is the best adaptaion ever just that even through it's cheese, got more right than this one did. This new F.F. should have had the most amazing visuals,story,and heros and villain, that has been sorly lacking in movies.

Sorry folks the new F.F. film failed horribly. It was just another one of Marvels trying to cash in and make money a quick buck schemes that they pass off as movies.

I have to say that I was really hoping that the FF movie would blow audiences away. It didn't. I enjoyed it, but just wanted it to be better. Hopefully #2 will be!

 

[Malus]

The cast (except for Evens) was the wrong choice.

You didn't even like Chiklis?
Most fans agree that Ben & Johnny's characterizations were the most accurate (and entertaining) of the bunch. But for my money, between the two of them, Chiklis was far more spot-on with his portrayal than Evans (who, it should be noted, was only playing it as written).

The Johnny Storm of FF1 is much more of a jackass than the Johnny of the comics. "Where are your ears?" may have gotten the desired chuckle from audiences, but to me it diminished the character of Johnny Storm.
The Johnny of the comics would not have been making jokes at Ben's expense mere hours after the transformation happened to him.
But again, that's the script, not Evans.

I still think Chiklis' performance was the movie's one big saving grace.

 

[Iceman]

C'mon, the 05 F4 may have its weaknesses but it's not as bad as the 94 version.

 

[K.B.]

Honestly. the f.f. are some of the hardest charecters to write in comics, but getting Johnny right is not the hardest task to complete since he is basically the "teenager" of the group.
It's getting the family dynamic down and the relationships right thats the hardest (and also the adventures. They have to be ORIGINAL and EPIC)
Like I said, this franchise SHOULD have blown people away with its visuals alone.