Fantastic Four: First Steps General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Lily Adler]

Is Kang a descendent of Reed's in the comics? I forgot.

I'm starting to think Kang is too out there a character for the GA.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I'm starting to think Kang is too out there a character for the GA.

Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes simplified him as a character, and it worked.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes set up for Kang was much closer to the Thanos formula, and it worked. So you are wrong.

ETM did Kang entirely differently. You're comparing apples to fish. The MCU Kang conceptually was building towards a Secret Wars prelude where Kang fought variants of himself. The ETM Kang was trying to kill Captain America to preserve his timeline. For what the MCU was going for, Kang needed a larger presence. Believe whatever you want to believe, I don't care if you agree with me about it or not.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes simplified him as a character, and it worked.

But we are not discussing what ETM did with Kang, we are talking about Kang in regards to his role as the villain of the Multiverse Saga. Kang in ETM was not conceived of for a Secret Wars event. He was conceived of as a stand alone villain. Could they have done ETM Kang in the MCU? Sure, but that wouldn't have worked with the original concept of Secret Wars. For what the MCU was trying to do with Kang conceptually, he needed a larger presence

 

[AndrewGilkison]

But we are not discussing what ETM did with Kang, we are talking about Kang in regards to his role as the villain of the Multiverse Saga. Kang in ETM was not conceived of for a Secret Wars event. He was conceived of as a stand alone villain. Could they have done ETM Kang in the MCU? Sure, but that wouldn't have worked with the original concept of Secret Wars. For what the MCU was trying to do with Kang conceptually, he needed a larger presence

Going back to what you said earlier.

Also needed to make Kang in Ant-Man 3 not the direct villain. The movie needed to have MODOK as the villain and he is working for Kang to get something he wants, and MODOK is defeated. Kang sticks around as a looming threat.

This contradicts what you are saying, because I don't think you are understanding me.

I was not talking about Kang being a looming threat or being set up as the big bad villain, or having small roles to set up his role as the big bad villain. None of those things I have a problem with.

But Marvel didn't do any of this. They gave Kang a very large presence by shoving him down our throats, by having Jonathan Majors playing all these different variants like he was Eddy Murphy in The Nutty Professor, having him talk about all the bad things he did and the Avengers he killed, and then he loses in every appearance. This is NOT how you build up a big bad.

He didn't need a "larger presence". That was part of the problem. They gave us too much too soon. He peaked way too early.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm not worried about The Fantastic Four. It has its own orbit, and it's a self-sustaining orbit apart from anything else with Cap 4, Thunderbolts, etc. The FF are literally Marvel royalty. And judging by Matt Shakman's work of the past, I believe he will deliver a seriously solid film that critics and fans will rally behind. Marvel just needs to build off of that momentum and transition past the Multi-verse saga altogether so we can get to the top tier teams that *should be* dominating the MCU: the X-Men, The Avengers and The Fantastic Four (with Spider-Man, Daredevil and Deadpool for good measure).

I would love the future of the MCU to feature films for the X-Men, Avengers and the Fantastic 4 coming out every 2 to 3 years. Avengers 5 really should have been out sooner or by now. If there's Second Steps, I hope it wouldn't take as long as something like Doctor Strange 2.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Going back to what you said earlier.



This contradicts what you are saying, because I don't think you are understanding me.

I was not talking about Kang being a looming threat or being set up as the big bad villain, or having small roles to set up his role as the big bad villain. None of those things I have a problem with.

But Marvel didn't do any of this. They gave Kang a very large presence by shoving him down our throats, by having Jonathan Majors playing all these different variants like he was Eddy Murphy in The Nutty Professor, having him talk about all the bad things he did and the Avengers he killed, and then he loses in every appearance. This is NOT how you build up a big bad.

He didn't need a "larger presence". That was part of the problem. They gave us too much too soon. He peaked way too early.

I understood your argument just fine, but it depends on who your villain is and what your gimmick is. Making a blanket statement like this isn't how you do a big bad just doesn't apply. The Mayor in Buffy is not the same villain as Angelus who isn't the same villain as Glory who isn't the same as The First, etc (using Buffy as an example). It depends on what the story is. In this case, Kang was selected initially as the big bad because of his multiple variants potential. They didn't want to just make another Thanos but with a different name and costume. They chose Secret Wars from Hickman as the basis for rather finale of this Saga. Given these decisions, the approach to Kang makes sense, but for that concept to work you need to see him and other variants more. That concept doesn't work with the Thanos model.

The issue isn't Kang was shown too much. The issue is quality of appearances. Having Kang show up in Ant-Man 3 was a bad idea and hurt his credibility immediately. Had they done something else like MODOK is your villain and he is working for a Kang variant maybe to even free another Kang from the Quantum Realm, and the Ant-Man team beat MODOK but you have this Kang still out there as a threat, this would have worked better. Maybe tie him to A&W by having him be the buyer for the lab and do the Qeng variant instead.

He Who Remains in Loki I think was fine and got the desired reception at the time of S1. But Ant-Man 3 is where the fumble happened. Having your main Kang get beat by ants was stupid. If they had nailed Kang in Ant-Man 3, then Kang would have worked. The core concept of what they were going to do with Kang makes sense, but it needed executed a lot better and had a real plan. If you're doing a war of variants, we need to see the variants and feel like that story is going somewhere.

There isn't only 1 way to tell any type of story and you can do the big bad of a story different ways. Not everyone is nor should be Thanos. Then you're just doing the same story repeatedly with different window dressing. ETM Kang was great, but he was an entirely different kind of villain with different goals in mind. ETM Kang was also not the big bad of that season. Loki was. Across like 30 Phase 4 or 5 projects, Kang was in 3 things in total. That's hardly shoving him down our throats.

 

[donuts]

I would love the future of the MCU to feature films for the X-Men, Avengers and the Fantastic 4 coming out every 2 to 3 years. Avengers 5 really should have been out sooner or by now. If there's Second Steps, I hope it wouldn't take as long as something like Doctor Strange 2.

Let them come out when they have a good shooting script.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Let them come out when they have a good shooting script.

In the grand scheme, scripts are cheap. If I had anything to say about it, I’d give ten different script writers instructions on the broad strokes for how the story needs to fit in the MCU. Select the best story from those 10 and then get top-talent to polish it and make sure it’s rock-solid before progressing.

 

[donuts]

In the grand scheme, scripts are cheap. If I had anything to say about it, I’d give ten different script writers instructions on the broad strokes for how the story needs to fit in the MCU. Select the best story from those 10 and then get top-talent to polish it and make sure it’s rock-solid before progressing.

 

[psylockolussus]

Let them come out when they have a good shooting script.

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Yeah these comments aren't just helpful. Like @JP you are now in my ignore list.

 

[donuts]

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Yeah these comments aren't just helpful. Like @JP you are now in my ignore list.

 

[Venom 1988]

Yeah these comments aren't just helpful. Like @JP you are now in my ignore list.

Why tag a user in your post if you're ignoring them?

 

[psylockolussus]

John Malkovich on the ‘Fun,’ but ‘Very Odd Experience’ Shooting ‘Fantastic Four’ and Singing Pop Songs in ‘Opus’

John Malkovich talks about shooting 'The Fantastic Four: First Steps' and playing a pop star in 'Opus.'

variety.com

 

[Mysteryman]

I would love the future of the MCU to feature films for the X-Men, Avengers and the Fantastic 4 coming out every 2 to 3 years. Avengers 5 really should have been out sooner or by now. If there's Second Steps, I hope it wouldn't take as long as something like Doctor Strange 2.

Or, Doctor Strange 3 for that matter. That seems to be taking awhile.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Or, Doctor Strange 3 for that matter. That seems to be taking awhile.

I feel like Doctor Strange 3 is starting to move along. Might even be partly why Strange Academy got put on the backbones, cause it will come sometime after DS3 now.

 

[psylockolussus]

Or, Doctor Strange 3 for that matter. That seems to be taking awhile.

If it was up to me my line up from 2021 to 2028 would have been like this:

2021- Shang-Chi, Spider-Man 3
2022- Doctor Strange 2, Fantastic 4, Black Panther 2
2023- Guardians 3, Avengers 5, Captain Marvel 2
2024- Ant-Man 3, Deadpool/Wolverine, Shang-Chi 2
2025- Fantastic 4 2, X-Men, Spider-Man 4
2026- Doctor Strange 3, Avengers 6, Captain Marvel 3
2027- Black Panther 3, Avengers 7, Deadpool/Wolverine 2
2028- Shang-Chi 3, X-Men 2, Fantastic 4 3

 

[Mysteryman]

If it was up to me my line up from 2021 to 2028 would have been like this:

2021- Shang-Chi, Spider-Man 3
2022- Doctor Strange 2, Fantastic 4, Black Panther 2
2023- Guardians 3, Avengers 5, Captain Marvel 2
2024- Ant-Man 3, Deadpool/Wolverine, Shang-Chi 2
2025- Fantastic 4 2, X-Men, Spider-Man 4
2026- Doctor Strange 3, Avengers 6, Captain Marvel 3
2027- Black Panther 3, Avengers 7, Deadpool/Wolverine 2
2028- Shang-Chi 3, X-Men 2, Fantastic 4 3

Your version of the MCU is much more prolific than the one we currently have.
Shang Chi 3? We will be lucky if we get 2!

 

[psylockolussus]

Your version of the MCU is much more prolific than the one we currently have.
Shang Chi 3? We will be lucky if we get 2!

I write lists like that like every 3 months, well since the Foxverse era.

 

[Detective Conan]

Fantastic Four: First Steps Teaser Trailer - The Lego Edition

 

[donuts]

Your version of the MCU is much more prolific than the one we currently have.
Shang Chi 3? We will be lucky if we get 2!

Yeah, because making movies is as hard as writing lists on a forum

 

[donuts]

A huge batch of concept art from the movie (and seemingly other Marvel projects) may have leaked online. If you're interested, go hunt for it on the Forbidden website .

Unless it's unsolicited work from an artist who just wanted to show off their skills by using Marvel properties. But the F4 stuff does look on point.

And some of the stuff looks like it's from an early, contemporary version of the movie (maybe when Jon Watts was still on board?)

Someone's getting in huge trouble.

 

[Venom 1988]

A huge batch of concept art from the movie (and seemingly other Marvel projects) leaked online. If you're interested, go hunt for it on the Forbidden website .

Unless it's unsolicited work from an artist who just wanted to show off their skills by using Marvel properties. But the F4 stuff does look on point.

It's legit. They're from the concept artists own website and she's worked on other MCU projects in the past. There's also art from what I assume are the next 2 Avengers movies so just forewarning anyone wanting to avoid potential spoilers.

edit- removed link

 

[Shinobi Shaw]

 

[donuts]

It's legit. They're from the concept artists own website and he's worked on other MCU projects in the past. There's also art from what I assume are the next 2 Avengers movies so just forewarning anyone wanting to avoid potential spoilers.

She.

Yeah, I looked her up. It's legit. Feel sorry for her.

By the way, I don't think we should link this here.