Fantastic Four General News & Discussion Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Willie Lumpkin]

I’m really surprised they beat out Superman.

 

[Crimz]

I’m really surprised they beat out Superman.

Me too. These lists never represent how these films will actually do, but it is interesting that FF is higher than Superman.

If I were to guess, the FF promo image says more about the film than the Superman one and the bad Fantastic Four film was 10 years ago. While Superman's appearance in mixed reviewed films is more recent.

Either way I expect this list would look different if it was done after the two films started to properly promote themselves.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Personally more excited for Avatar 3 and F4 than anything else coming out…

 

[psylockolussus]

I’m really surprised they beat out Superman.

Yeah. There's no way Superman would be outgrossed by the Fantastic 4, unless its DCEU/SSU level of bad.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont care who makes more money. I just want both to be good

 

[Crimz]

I care that it makes a great profit, it doesn't necessarily need to beat Superman to do that though.
Marvel seems to be putting genuine effort into this filmm on a way I haven’t seen a long time. I really love that, but I also hope this doesn't mean their budget is so big that it would need to do insane numbers just to break even.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I care that it makes a great profit, it doesn't necessarily need to beat Superman to do that though.
Marvel seems to be putting genuine effort into this filmm on a way I haven’t seen a long time. I really love that, but I also hope this doesn't mean their budget is so big that it would need to do insane numbers just to break even.

I feel like both Marvel and DC are doing badly needed resets with their flagship properties, and I hope they both pull it off and both have artistic and financial success for the future of these movies we all love.

 

[lenz]

I would feel better about the future of Marvel with a new CEO at Disney and new leadershop/approach at Marvel. I say that fully understanding new voices could potentially make things worse...

I'm optimistic the Fantastic Four could be a special project for them. If it turns out great I will certainly take it. Whatever potential nonsense comes after would certainly be easier to take and move on from altogether.

Basically, just give me a great FF movie and I'll be on my way.

 

[psylockolussus]

I feel like both Marvel and DC are doing badly needed resets with their flagship properties, and I hope they both pull it off and both have artistic and financial success for the future of these movies we all love.

Idk, DCU is a bit random with their choices. A Clayface movie? Really?

 

[lenz]

That's what I would want from Marvel to be honest...

They've already won the box office narrative, that's in the history books.

I want more eclectic film choices now, less producer-driven and more creative-driven.

 

[psylockolussus]

That's what I would want from Marvel to be honest...

They've already won the box office narrative, that's in the history books.

I want more eclectic film choices now, less producer-driven and more creative-driven.

Eclectic film choices? I could argue Eternals, Captain America legacy movie and Thunderbolts* already fill that role for Marvel Studios. Eternals wasn't the brightest idea. The next two, we'll know next year. I'm against this idea of having "eclectic films" if it desaturates the interest for the franchise in the long run. And most of the time, it doesn't work at the box office, and they would go back to what worked/already appealed with the general public in the past.

and I would like Marvel Studios to continue their winning streak. The narrative when the Marvels only earned $206 million worldwide was bad. I don't want them to go out in a bad note.

 

[lenz]

Eclectic film choices? I could argue Eternals, Captain America legacy movie and Thunderbolts* already fill that role for Marvel Studios. Eternals wasn't the brightest idea. The next two, we'll know next year. I'm against this idea of having "eclectic films" if it desaturates the interest for the franchise in the long run. And most of the time, it doesn't work at the box office, and they would go back to what worked/already appealed with the general public in the past.

and I would like Marvel Studios to continue their winning streak. The narrative when the Marvels only earned $206 million worldwide was bad. I don't want them to go out in a bad note.

Those movies are all $200 million + tentpole projects designed to attract a large audience and require 750 million + grosses (at least) to be considered successful.

I'm talking about more filmmaker-driven projects that don't require significant budgets (say 60-75 million at most) or significant green screen/CGI. More practical, old-school filmmaking built on great writing and direction.

 

[Venom 1988]

Eclectic film choices? I could argue Eternals, Captain America legacy movie and Thunderbolts* already fill that role for Marvel Studios.

That is not at all what those are lol. They are more MCU samey movies. A Sgt Rock WWII period film directed by Luca Guadagnino with a budget less than 100 million is an eclectic film choice.

 

[psylockolussus]

Those movies are all $200 million + tentpole projects designed to attract a large audience and require 750 million + grosses (at least) to be considered successful.

I'm talking about more filmmaker-driven projects that don't require significant budgets (say 60-75 million at most) or significant green screen/CGI. More practical, old-school filmmaking built on great writing and direction.

Aren't they already doing that in Disney+? Werewolf the Night is technically a movie. The rest are tv shows, but its from the same studio.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Those movies are all $200 million + tentpole projects designed to attract a large audience and require 750 million + grosses (at least) to be considered successful.

I'm talking about more filmmaker-driven projects that don't require significant budgets (say 60-75 million at most) or significant green screen/CGI. More practical, old-school filmmaking built on great writing and direction.

I think you mean more along the lines of the first Iron Man, Thor, and First Avenger movies. Since Avengers the MCU has been pretty cut and paste except for Guardians of the Galaxy.

I have yet to see anything as visually striking as something from visionary directors such as The Batman’s Matt Reeves, The Witch’s Robert Eggers, Disrict 9’s Neill Blomkamp, or even anything by Denis Villeneuve. Cinematography, colour palette, the way the MCU movies look and feel are closer to TV shows while the films I mentioned feel more like works of art.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't see Marvel Studios breaking out of their 200 million+ tentpole movies, unless a lot of their upcoming films severely underperform. There's a reason why their movies are expensive. Contracts must be expensive. I'm not sure what limitations they would face when they greenlit an "eclectic film" with a 30 to 50 million budget? They would need very good eyes, to make the most out of that budget.

When their 2025 movies underperform next year (I hope not), they would just turn on Avengers, Spider-Man, Black Panther, X-Men, whoever's left on the Marvel menu.

 

[Venom 1988]

I don't see Marvel Studios breaking out of their 200 million+ tentpole movies, unless a lot of their upcoming films severely underperform. There's a reason why their movies are expensive. Contracts must be expensive. I'm not sure what limitations they would face when they greenlit an "eclectic film" with a 30 to 50 million budget? They would need very good eyes, to make the most out of that budget.

When their 2025 movies underperform next year (I hope not), they would just turn on Avengers, Spider-Man, Black Panther, X-Men, whoever's left on the Marvel menu.

The problem is they need to for longevity sake. To use a video game analogy, not every movie needs to be a AAA to do well critically or financially. And it's not feasible to expect every movie they release to make a billion dollars. They're expensive because they are choosing to to make them expensive. There's nothing holding back Feige from greenlighting a movie that's less than $100 million. And by making budgets lower, the studios become more open with experimentation and creatives.

Like others have said, we're past the point of being wowed by simply seeing Superheroes on the big screen. I'm not saying they should stop making "blockbuster" movies. Spider-Man, X-Men and The Avengers will always attract big audiences but they need to start looking into other avenues on making different types of movies if they want to continue to be successful.

Clayface is certainly a weird choice to make a movie about but I'm interested in seeing it. Not because it's Clayface but because Mike Flanagan is involved. And if the budget is reportedly only $40million, you know he's gonna have carte blanche to do what he wants on it.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[JP]

Looks incredible.

 

[donuts]

The F4 look good!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

This is the first promotional material I've found appealing thus far. It's great to see the cast in the iconic poses of their comic book counterparts.

 

[Flint Marko]

Love it. Looks appropriately retro. Really, really excited for this.

 

[psylockolussus]

It looks very retro. Like something from the old Hollywood.

I just hope those "sweaters" would translate well on screen.

 

[Lily Adler]

Let's get ready for Superassic 4 Summer.

 

[psylockolussus]

Jurassic World: Rebirth
Superman
The Odyssey

July might be too jam-packed for The First Steps.