Fantastic Four reborn! - Part 7

[kguillou]

I think Fox is holding out until DOFP. If that movie breaks the box office open then I guarantee you they're going to announce both X-Force and the FF reboot.

 

[Zarex]

Yep they want to see Shield, Sam Jackson, Scar jo and and any other heroes that can take away from the Fantastic Four. Focus more on leading up to another Avengers film than the title characters. Yay!

Thankfully, you can still turn to FOX and WB, which refuse to taint their solo superhero outings with links to their team up films.

And then perfect Disney/ Marvel with all the movies and properties they've made still haven't greenlit one film where the above the title lead isn't a white male. Gosh I love having no complaints about how Marvel are running things.

Shouldn't Disney/Marvel receive credit for their recently greenlit Luke Cage and Jessica Jones series?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I dunno, I can watch Origins and laugh and cry (mostly cry) along the way whereas the Fantastic Four movies just leave with me with a blank expression.

Thats how i felt after watching the recent Thor. not dispaointed or excited just nothing.

Yep they want to see Shield, Sam Jackson, Scar jo and and any other heroes that can take away from the Fantastic Four. Focus more on leading up to another Avengers film than the title characters. Yay!

YAY! I like this new release date!

Me too

Yeah, to be honest the crying from the "I hope it reverts back to Marvel!!!11" group does nothing for me. If you spend your life check marking every second that goes by without anything being announced, then I guess it can appear as a troubled production. It's like, relax, Fox has just under two years (or more if the release date is changed) to get this thing out. There's a lot going against this film (namely that release date), but I'll hope for the best.

Great post. Just because they don't have verbal diarrhea like Feige, Singer, and Webb who can't go a few days without teasing and announcing stuff doesn't mean it's not happening behing the scenes.

Optimism for all being good and successful > Hoping some fail because of studio Bias.

Shouldn't Disney/Marvel receive credit for their recently greenlit Luke Cage and Jessica Jones series?

Yes, to a degree.

Makes one wonder why they renegated them the female lead, black lead and disabled lead to TV instead of Movies

 

[marvelrobbins]

Yep they want to see Shield, Sam Jackson, Scar jo and and any other heroes that can take away from the Fantastic Four. Focus more on leading up to another Avengers film than the title characters. Yay!

And then perfect Disney/ Marvel with all the movies and properties they've made still haven't greenlit one film where the above the title lead isn't a white male. Gosh I love having no complaints about how Marvel are running things.

1:Based on actors reportly under consideration this IS apparently at least In part on ultimate Version of FF
2:The idea that Disney/MS will do perfect version of 616 version Isn't bound by facts.every MS film has some influence or elements from Ultimate versions
3:The primary concern by some Is to have FF appear In Avengers films,other MS have doom and silver surfer and Galactus In cosmic projects like GotG not on FF films themselves
4:Many agree Tim Story FF went too far with COmedy yet MS went too far with comedy with Iron Man 3 and earth parts of thor films.
5:MS has made plenty of changes with their films and have changed races of characters too.Yeah some on this board criticed the mandarian In Iron Man 3.But others have defended it
6:Josh Tank Is no tim story and you have Matthew Vaughn producing yet some act like nothing has changed at Fox due to devil Tom Rothman being gone.Still bringing up films of past regime would be like not seeing Nolan Batman films because of Batman & Robin or not seeing the craig bond films becuse same writers and producers In charge of Die another Day are still In charge
7:Some act like Fox stole FF from marvel.The film deals of 1990's helped keep marvel afloat.Many forget Marvel was In bankruptcy protection from 1996 to 1998
8:The FF would be second swingers at MS considering how films are planned.
9:Maybe the film will stink but comdeming project before it's cast or they know anything about this version Is crazy

 

[Dr Tactics]

1:Based on actors reportly under consideration this IS apparently at least In part on ultimate Version of FF

Except for a Black Johnny Storm which is only based on directors choice..

2:The idea that Disney/MS will do perfect version of 616 version Isn't bound by facts.every MS film has some influence or elements from Ultimate versions

You keep bringing up that folks think that Marvel is perfect and never made a bad choice. Its not that. It is Fox making way more bad choices (In the Past). This is how its judged.

3:The primary concern by some Is to have FF appear In Avengers films,other MS have doom and silver surfer and Galactus In cosmic projects like GotG not on FF films themselves

Well for one it was shown that when there is a global threat every team is a Avenger. If you know anything about the the comic book Avengers just about every hero have been an Avenger even the FF members in 89 so all this Avengers sepraratist talk is moot. The Marvel universe heroes are pretty much Avengers anyway.

4:Many agree Tim Story FF went too far with COmedy yet MS went too far with comedy with Iron Man 3 and earth parts of thor films.

There is a difference between good comedy and bad, silly and unfunny comedy (Outside of the banter between the Thing and Johnny quips had some humorous moments)

5:MS has made plenty of changes with their films and have changed races of characters too.Yeah some on this board criticed the mandarian In Iron Man 3.But others have defended it

The Mandarin is one of those errors IMO Marvel made so you'll get no defense for me. Shall I list Fox's? I'd be here typing all day..

6:Josh Tank Is no tim story and you have Matthew Vaughn producing yet some act like nothing has changed at Fox due to devil Tom Rothman being gone.Still bringing up films of past regime would be like not seeing Nolan Batman films because of Batman & Robin or not seeing the craig bond films becuse same writers and producers In charge of Die another Day are still In charge

First we don't know what Josh Trank is after just 1 film. So how much control he really has is unknown. Second While this might be a great film production wise most here would like to see the FF actually SUCCEED.. With Fox it won't because of all the marketing (Mostly Merchandising) limitations. No Thing Hands sold at TRU because they're Marvel characters not part of Marvel in Movies. Plus look at this release date they've chosen.. Really?

7:Some act like Fox stole FF from marvel.The film deals of 1990's helped keep marvel afloat.Many forget Marvel was In bankruptcy protection from 1996 to 1998

X-Men did more for Marvel than the FF did. What Fox did with the FF is more like Borrowing the car, fixing it to crashing it twice. Just let Marvel fix it this time.

8:The FF would be second swingers at MS considering how films are planned.

It's planned this way only because Marvel DON'T HAVE THEM AT THIS POINT so you can't say what Marvel will or won't do. DD just came back and Marvel is about to do him proper on NetFlix

9:Maybe the film will stink but comdeming project before it's cast or they know anything about this version Is crazy

But, it doesn't have to stink or have a chance of stinking. Fox... Let it go and put the middle finger down.

 

[T"Challa]

Yes, to a degree.

Makes one wonder why they renegated them the female lead, black lead and disabled lead to TV instead of Movies

Because they already have a packed slate in terms of feature films. And honestly, those characters work far better with a TV format that movies. And I get 60hrs of total TV time with as opposed to a few hrs with feature film.

 

[T"Challa]

I have faith in Trank and i love Michael B Jordan..but i just think with that release date, they are setting themselves up for failure at the box office especially since the budget will most likely be well over 120 mill. X-Men first class, despite being a really good movie and being a much more recognized franchise, suffered because of The Last Stand. It barely broke even.

This movie has its work cut out for it..and putting it alongside a Pixar movie and sandwiched between Jurassic World and Terminator isn't going to help..at all.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Except for a Black Johnny Storm which is only based on directors choice..


You keep bringing up that folks think that Marvel is perfect and never made a bad choice. Its not that. It is Fox making way more bad choices (In the Past). This is how its judged.


Well for one it was shown that when there is a global threat every team is a Avenger. If you know anything about the the comic book Avengers just about every hero have been an Avenger even the FF members in 89 so all this Avengers sepraratist talk is moot. The Marvel universe heroes are pretty much Avengers anyway.


There is a difference between good comedy and bad, silly and unfunny comedy (Outside of the banter between the Thing and Johnny quips had some humorous moments)


The Mandarin is one of those errors IMO Marvel made so you'll get no defense for me. Shall I list Fox's? I'd be here typing all day..



First we don't know what Josh Trank is after just 1 film. So how much control he really has is unknown. Second While this might be a great film production wise most here would like to see the FF actually SUCCEED.. With Fox it won't because of all the marketing (Mostly Merchandising) limitations. No Thing Hands sold at TRU because they're Marvel characters not part of Marvel in Movies. Plus look at this release date they've chosen.. Really?


X-Men did more for Marvel than the FF did. What Fox did with the FF is more like Borrowing the car, fixing it to crashing it twice. Just let Marvel fix it this time.



It's planned this way only because Marvel DON'T HAVE THEM AT THIS POINT so you can't say what Marvel will or won't do. DD just came back and Marvel is about to do him proper on NetFlix



But, it doesn't have to stink or have a chance of stinking. Fox... Let it go and put the middle finger down.

Plenty of directos are changing races for Characters.Hell MS did It twice In
Thor.Let's not even bring up Mandarian

If MS wanted to make Human torch black some would praise it.

Fox deserves critism for earlier 2 FF,Elekta,X-Men the last Stand,and Origins.
But that regime Is gone from Fox.MS has has made misfire.Iron Man 3 to me
Is in same legure as Last Stand and Spider-man 3.The thor films are uneven.Good for asgard scenes but makes me want to roll my eyes during earth scenes.

Yeah lots of characters have been In Avengers over the years.But,primary concern Is crossover and using FF villains In Avengers films.

Every studio makes changes to comics.Your signaling out fox when I could point out many changes to MS films.In comics asgard was treated as other dimension not alien world like in films.The avengers onscreen are basiclly the
ultimates.

So screw this film because disney wants to hurt all marvel projects they don't control screen rights to?You had plenty of merchandize for X-Men trilogy and
Origins and even past FF films.What changed?Disney buying marvel after sucess of X-Men,Spider-man,and Iron man.

Non Avengers characters showing up on Netflix doesn't show much confidence In them.And considering how I feel about AoS why should I think they would
be any different with Jeph Loeb running TV division at marvel.

The FF In 2015 could end being good.Nobody In the hate fox rights must revert ot Disney/Marvel are willing to consider that.

 

[wobbly]

The FF In 2015 could end being good.Nobody In the hate fox rights must revert ot Disney/Marvel are willing to consider that.

Don't go generalising. I for one have stated that while I hope the rights revert, if Fox do go ahead I hope they do make it a good film. Have seen others express that same sentiment as well in the past.

I can't say I'm confident of that atm, but I'm certainly open to the possibility (and hope) that it could be.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Plenty of directos are changing races for Characters.Hell MS did It twice In
Thor.Let's not even bring up Mandarian

If MS wanted to make Human torch black some would praise it.

But most are not...

Fox deserves critism for earlier 2 FF,Elekta,X-Men the last Stand,and Origins.
But that regime Is gone from Fox.MS has has made misfire.Iron Man 3 to me
Is in same legure as Last Stand and Spider-man 3.The thor films are uneven.Good for asgard scenes but makes me want to roll my eyes during earth scenes.

I Disgree that IM3 about IM3 in comparison to SM3 and XM-LS as IM3 was still a good (NOT GREAT) movie minus the.. you know. And I think the difference is that Marvel Movies bring back the feeling of the comics while Fox goes for the more epic saga which has had the falter in their films..

Yeah lots of characters have been In Avengers over the years.But,primary concern Is crossover and using FF villains In Avengers films.

You mean incorporate them into the MCU. While the Avengers is the main tentpole it is not the MCU. The opportunity for flagship FF villains to interact within the MCU vs the X-Men universe is more concerning IMO

Every studio makes changes to comics.Your signaling out fox when I could point out many changes to MS films.In comics asgard was treated as other dimension not alien world like in films.The avengers onscreen are basiclly the
ultimates.

The Ultimates are a universe born from MARVEL COMIC BOOKS so I think Marvel can interchange as they wish. Some change are good change some are not and Fox made bad/needless changes more than Marvel. Changes is good only when ITS GOOD..

So screw this film because disney wants to hurt all marvel projects they don't control screen rights to?You had plenty of merchandize for X-Men trilogy and
Origins and even past FF films.What changed?Disney buying marvel after sucess of X-Men,Spider-man,and Iron man.

We'll yeah because they started off as partners with shared characters now their rivals studios because they cant work together.. Marvel is succeeding (financially) and Fox not as much with Marvel characters. Jealous anyone?

Non Avengers characters showing up on Netflix doesn't show much confidence In them.And considering how I feel about AoS why should I think they would
be any different with Jeph Loeb running TV division at marvel.

OK you don't like AoS.. Thats fine. Even with the drop in ratings it is still the "Highest Rated New Drama" and hold its own between the NCIS and TBL and is #2 in its 8PM time slot. So??

The FF In 2015 could end being good.Nobody In the hate fox rights must revert ot Disney/Marvel are willing to consider that.

But will it make Money??

 

[Dr. Evil]

Makes one wonder why they renegated them the female lead, black lead and disabled lead to TV instead of Movies

What would you rather see in an Iron Fist project? A brief montage over his time in K'un-L'un in a movie or an episode or two devoted to it as I expect for TV? For me, it's the latter. You get 13 hours of each superhero rather than having just two hours. 13 hours is like having four movies. What would you rather have: an equivalent of 6 movies of each character? Or a 2 hour movie on each with no guarantee that there will ever be a sequel? I'd take 13 hours any day.

13 hours = basically six movies.

As for this film, casting to me goes down to who plays Thing and who the villains are. Those are the key casting decisions for me.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Fox needs to give this up. The only people intrigued by this project at all are half a dozen studio fanbois who talk a big game about 'giving it a chance' but aren't willing to concede that the flip side of that coin is an awful, lackluster movie that buries the FF on film for good. This property belongs back at Marvel and there isn't a single convincing argument otherwise.

 

[Endeavor]

Yay Galactacloud again, yay!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Maybe all the FF villains could be something different. Like, they could make Paste Pot Pete an elderly German lady. Or Mole Man could be a shoe.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Fox needs to give this up. The only people intrigued by this project at all are half a dozen studio fanbois who talk a big game about 'giving it a chance' but aren't willing to concede that the flip side of that coin is an awful, lackluster movie that buries the FF on film for good. This property belongs back at Marvel and there isn't a single convincing argument otherwise.

Seriously. No one wants this movie or is even interested in it except one out of a million people like marvelrobbins.

 

[Paradox1]

Seriously. No one wants this movie or is even interested in it except one out of a million people like marvelrobbins.

You know what they say about assumptions? Your making a big one!

 

[Mr. Dent]

You know what they say about meaningless sayings? They're meaningless!

There is no quantifiable hype for this movie. No one asked for it or wanted it after they butchered the first two films. Now they're literally sending it to its death by putting it up against Inside Out and Jurassic World. Regardless if the film is even good it will probably bomb with that kind of competition and no real backbone for itself beyond two movies that were received badly...which will pretty much seal the deal on us ever getting a good or ongoing FF franchise for at least ANOTHER 10 ****ing years. This is what we have to look forward to if Fox continues on this track.

 

[Paradox1]

You know what they say about meaningless sayings? They're meaningless!

There is no quantifiable hype for this movie. No one asked for it or wanted it after they butchered the first two films. Now they're literally sending it to its death by putting it up against Inside Out and Jurassic World. Regardless if the film is even good it will probably bomb with that kind of competition and no real backbone for itself beyond two movies that were received badly...which will pretty much seal the deal on us ever getting a good or ongoing FF franchise for at least ANOTHER 10 ****ing years. This is what we have to look forward to if Fox continues on this track.

Please save me the apocalyptic dogma of this movie being doom.You are not Nostradamus so stop trying to make predictions like him as if you have any Jedi insight into a movie that is expected to be released in a little under two years from now.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

No one asked for a Spider-Man reboot, Guardians of the Galaxy, Antman, or for Batman to take over Supermans sequel.

Not true, as much as i loved spidey 2... after spidey 3 was a complete slap in the face I couldn't wait for a reboot... I also can't wait for another batman reboot to be less "realistic" even though i liked nolan's take

 

[Docker2.0]

Seriously. No one wants this movie or is even interested in it except one out of a million people like marvelrobbins.

That's what I don't understand. There's absolutely no one wanting to see this from Fox. I can't see it making $30M OW any time during that summer. The one property Fox has that they should make is Deadpool but they are slow with it. Like Spideyboy said, Marvel wanted to use the cosmic characters but Fox said no and doing a F4 reboot that noone wants to see is just asking for being in the red. I honestly think they want Marvel to buy it back. But can you imagine how bad Fox would look if it reverted and Marvel did a F4 movie, did it right and it did TASM type numbers? Fox would look like idiots.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's what I don't understand. There's absolutely no one wanting to see this from Fox. I can't see it making $30M OW any time during that summer. The one property Fox has that they should make is Deadpool but they are slow with it. Like Spideyboy said, Marvel wanted to use the cosmic characters but Fox said no and doing a F4 reboot that noone wants to see is just asking for being in the red. I honestly think they want Marvel to buy it back. But can you imagine how bad Fox would look if it reverted and Marvel did a F4 movie, did it right and it did TASM type numbers? Fox would look like idiots.

fox sorta does a good job at that themselves..

churn out a few good sci-fi flix, and make a decent marvel superhero movie and one good one.. and suddenly people think they can do no wrong...

i even hate considering The Wolverine a super-hero movie.. its much more of a Western/Drama than "super hero" imo

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

churn out a few good sci-fi flix, and make a decent marvel superhero movie and one good one.. and suddenly people think they can do no wrong...

Not true, they just don't think it'll automatically be crap, especially two years before release and before production has started

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Not true, they just don't think it'll automatically be crap, especially two years before release and before production has started

if the shoe fits...

and right now.. all signs point to a repeated pattern... one they took before, and one they will take again. One that was also repeated with Dare Devil even.. FOX had no real intention of making that film. If they really wanted it... it would have happened.

 

[Docker2.0]

fox sorta does a good job at that themselves..

churn out a few good sci-fi flix, and make a decent marvel superhero movie and one good one.. and suddenly people think they can do no wrong...

i even hate considering The Wolverine a super-hero movie.. its much more of a Western/Drama than "super hero" imo

I agree 100%! I like the Xmen movies but they are so far from the comics its not even funny. I don't think I've seen any Fox movie where they've been almost 100% true to the comics. They haven't been able to satisfy both sides of the spectrum so to speak: the fanboy and GA. Marvel actually has which is very hard to do, especially when they have taken some liberties.

 

[Docker2.0]

Not true, they just don't think it'll automatically be crap, especially two years before release and before production has started

Dude from everything that has come out, the movie sounds like a train wreck and it could be gold but a lot of people will boycott it for the heck of it. Plus the stench of the last F4 are not to long ago. They know Marvel wants Galactus and SS so they are trying to milk this. Hopefully Marvel does bite and can some how get it back for cheap. F4 is PERFECT for Disney. Think Incredibles but actually a bigger name. I think even Fox realizes this and don't want it to happen without some recompense. I think F4 fits Disney even better than the Avengers but Disney has made fine wine out of grapes.