Favorite villain from the old franchise

[The Joker]

1. Jack Nicholson as The Joker:

2. Danny DeVito as The Penguin:

3. Michelle Pfeiffer as Catwoman:

4. Tommy Lee Jones as Two Face:

5. Jim Carey as The Riddler:

6. Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr Freeze:

7. Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy:

8. Jeep Swenson as Bane:

 

[david icke]

1. Catwoman
2. The Joker
3. The Riddler
4. The Penguin
5. Two-Face
6. MrFreeze
7. Poison Ivy
8. Bane

 

[Ryan]

I'd have to vote Catwoman as my top pic. Its one of the few characters I can't actually see Nolan improving upon. David Icke's list probably says it best.

 

[Cain]

David Icke's list probably says it best.

I'd switch around The Riddler and The Penguin but I agree otherwise.

 

[ronny]

I just can't forgive sticking an actor like Nicholson behind that absurd prosthetic smile, so I've gotta go with the Penguin.
It's amazing what a great performance and actor can give when he can make more than one expression with his mouth.
And to think that some 'fans' still believe that The Joker's smile is permanent. Ridiculous.

 

[Brother Jack]

Between the two villains in Batman Returns. For what they are I feel they were well executed, despite being so different than their comic counterparts (especially with Penguin). And they are acted astoundingly well.

 

[Travesty]

1. Catwoman
2. The Joker
3. The Riddler
4. The Penguin
5. Two-Face
6. MrFreeze
7. Poison Ivy
8. Bane

This, except I would switch MrFreeze and Ivy around. Not only was Ivy hotter, but I thought she was better.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

And to think that some 'fans' still believe that The Joker's smile is permanent. Ridiculous.

Yes, how absurd of them. Of course, you and I both know that unless someone has read every single Batman comic ever published, their opinion on a Batman movie is worthless.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

This, except I would switch MrFreeze and Ivy around. Not only was Ivy hotter, but I thought she was better.

Ivy was agreeable on a purely visual level, but Freeze had the occasional insight into his character that Ivy didn't. The scenes of Freeze with his frozen wife, and especially the one with his clockwork ice sculpture in Arkham, afforded Freeze a degree of sympathy that made him more than the two-dimensional Ivy.

I would say my favourite villains are the Penguin and Catwoman; on both occasions, the source material was actually improved upon. Yes, I consider those two characters in the movie better than their comic versions. They become deeper and broader at the same time, sinister and sympathetic, and tragic. The Penguin is a vile monster, yet a pathetic figure at the same time. The movie touches on the dapper businessman of the comics briefly, but turns that into a tiny element of a much bigger story.

As for Catwoman, amazing every time I watch. She is an electifying character who just eats up the screen. She is so sexual and aggressive, she personifies man's ultimate fantasy and ultimate fear of women. Her story is so full of rage and confusion and injustice - just like the Penguin.

What Burton, Waters and DeVito did with the Penguin was superb work. Both he and Catwoman are among the most three-dimensional characters in any of the Batman movies, Nolan included, and certainly in any Burton movies.

And the greatest thing about these two is that they represent Batman himself. The Penguin - the lonely beastman who longs for his lost parents and acceptance he can never get from society. Catwoman - the scorned, angry vigilante who takes out the past injustices on the streets at nigh, whilst trapped between two jarring identities. And along with Batman, we have three deeply disturbed, doomed individuals who take on animal totems (the Batman Returns poster is a totem pole; I didn't realise that for years) and attempt to relieve their own pain in a dark and crime-ridden city.

Batman Returns really is a superb piece of work, and Catwoman and the Penguin are superb characters.

 

[ronny]

Yes, how absurd of them. Of course, you and I both know that unless someone has read every single Batman comic ever published, their opinion on a Batman movie is worthless.

Just read even a few comics and you can see that he is capable of making other expressions. Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum.
All popular, well-read Batman comics. In which you clearly see that his grin is not always plastered on his face.

Imagine it, hiring an incredible actor like Nicholson and making him dead from the nose down. It defies the logic of hiring him in the first place.

So don't get sarcastic with me, because I'm not an elitist, I just would have liked to have seen Nicholson give the best performance that he was capable of giving. And that prosthetic was like tying one arm behind his back.

Actors need to be able to move their face, period.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

1. Catwoman - Not perfect, but my favorite none the less.
2. Poison Ivy - Well cast and lovely, story aside she was great.
3. The Penguin - A little dark but perfectly cast
4. The Joker - Decent and well acted, just not funny enough.
5. Two-Face - Cheesy character who is meant to be serious, ugh.
6. MrFreeze - Cheesy, bad puns.
7. Bane - Limited brawn and brains, should have never been in the movie
8. The Riddler - Absolutely awful. Too cheesy and gay.

 

[Gmanofsteel]

d/p

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Just read even a few comics and you can see that he is capable of making other expressions. Dark Knight Returns, Killing Joke, Arkham Asylum.
All popular, well-read Batman comics. In which you clearly see that his grin is not always plastered on his face.

Imagine it, hiring an incredible actor like Nicholson and making him dead from the nose down. It defies the logic of hiring him in the first place.

So don't get sarcastic with me, because I'm not an elitist, I just would have liked to have seen Nicholson give the best performance that he was capable of giving. And that prosthetic was like tying one arm behind his back.

Actors need to be able to move their face, period.

Oh, I agree that Nicholson shouldn't have had a fixed grin, absolutely. It's your use of 'fans' that I don't agree with.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

In addition, the Joker's permanent grin is an obvious homage to The Man Who Laughs, the movie that inspired the character in the first place.

 

[Cain]

whoops wrong thread, lol

 

[ronny]

It's hardly nonsense when an actors performance is hampered because of things outside his control.

 

[Cain]

In addition, the Joker's permanent grin is an obvious homage to The Man Who Laughs, the movie that inspired the character in the first place.

and similar but not exactly as in that movie it was to be used as a juxtaposition on the fact that Napier who we had seen portrayed as a very vain person was suddenly extremely internally saddened and insecure on the inside due to his disfigurement even though he was always seemingly "happy".

 

[The Joker]

I would say my favourite villains are the Penguin and Catwoman; on both occasions, the source material was actually improved upon. Yes, I consider those two characters in the movie better than their comic versions. They become deeper and broader at the same time, sinister and sympathetic, and tragic. The Penguin is a vile monster, yet a pathetic figure at the same time. The movie touches on the dapper businessman of the comics briefly, but turns that into a tiny element of a much bigger story.

As for Catwoman, amazing every time I watch. She is an electifying character who just eats up the screen. She is so sexual and aggressive, she personifies man's ultimate fantasy and ultimate fear of women. Her story is so full of rage and confusion and injustice - just like the Penguin.

What Burton, Waters and DeVito did with the Penguin was superb work. Both he and Catwoman are among the most three-dimensional characters in any of the Batman movies, Nolan included, and certainly in any Burton movies.

And the greatest thing about these two is that they represent Batman himself. The Penguin - the lonely beastman who longs for his lost parents and acceptance he can never get from society. Catwoman - the scorned, angry vigilante who takes out the past injustices on the streets at nigh, whilst trapped between two jarring identities. And along with Batman, we have three deeply disturbed, doomed individuals who take on animal totems (the Batman Returns poster is a totem pole; I didn't realise that for years) and attempt to relieve their own pain in a dark and crime-ridden city.

Batman Returns really is a superb piece of work, and Catwoman and the Penguin are superb characters.

'NUFF SAID

 

[Two-Face]

The Joker.

 

[DarthDaveBanner]

Penguin, easily.

 

[El Payaso]

Penguin.

Then Joker and Catwoman.

And I enjoyed Carrey's Riddler.

 

[SurfDUI]

The DeVito/Burton Oswald all day...

then Selina and Victor Freeze actually-best thing about a horrible movie.

 

[Gotham22]

1. The Joker - A prefect adapatation of the character. from comic to film. Ledger's Joker may had the best personality of the character so far but not the look I was going for as of Nicholson's.
2. Catwoman - By far the best adapatation of the character. (so far)
3. Two-Face - Could have been something better.
4. Mr. Freeze - Looked cool besides being campy most of the time. The scripts fault.
5. The Riddler - Again looked cool but to much of a Joker wannabe.
6. The Penguin - Great casting but too dark
7. Poison Ivy - Great casting but could have been better. Tee scripts fault.
8. Bane - The scripts fault.

On a side note. I think Catwoman, Bane, Poison Ivy, The Riddler and The Penguin could work in a Nolan-Bat film.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

1. The Joker - A prefect adapatation of the character. from comic to film. Ledger's Joker may had the best personality of the character so far but not the look I was going for as of Nicholson's.

Personal choice of course. But if the comic version now looks more like the Ledger version, that means the Ledger version is accurate to the comic look.

 

[SurfDUI]

What about all the crooks that got killed by Joker or Penguin.
Gamble from TDK, Bob the Goon from Batman. Not a whole lot of them, but there were a couple of second bananas that crossed the main villian. Dude that got the electric death buzzer, he was my favorite until Mike Jai White. "And what's with that stupid grin?"t:

Forever, B&R and BB I don't think have theese characters.