Feminist films...

[Cyrusbales]

I was just thinking how ironic it was that the most significant feminist directors are male. Also, do you think female directors are defined by their gender, rather than their style etc? A lot of people will say, 'american psycho' was directed by a woman, they won't know her by name like they would do for a tony scott film or tim burton film.

Another thought, how many female directors can people list straight away off the top of your head? Of these, how many are defined by gender?

Why do you think that women are less predominant in the film industry? Is it because they don't want to be involved as much, or is it a case of patriachy?

Anyway, discuss people...

 

[Palpadious]

I would say I Spit on your Grave is a feminist film. It's about a woman who goes on a killing spree after being gang-raped by a band of rednecks/

 

[Cyrusbales]

I would say I Spit on your Grave is a feminist film. It's about a woman who goes on a killing spree after being gang-raped by a band of rednecks/

But she embraces masculine qualities, by becoming the agressor, which is a male trait, she shows how you can't succeed as a female.

 

[Motown Marvel]

But she embraces masculine qualities, by becoming the agressor, which is a male trait, she shows how you can't succeed as a female.

now dont you think that there is stereotyping men, and further discriminating against women? if to be aggressive is to be masculine, then you're saying that women cant be aggresive? that's bulls#!t. women can be strong and aggressive for the sake and necessity of havening to be strong and aggressive when the situation calls for it. and you make it sound like by being aggressive your resorting to primitive tactics of the lowly male gender.

 

[Motown Marvel]

A lot of people will say, 'american psycho' was directed by a woman, they won't know her by name like they would do for a tony scott film or tim burton film.

the director of american psycho has directed one film....one....everything else she's done has been for TV. as opposed to scott and burton who have directed numerous memorable films, which is what makes their names memorable.

 

[KingOfDreams]

Penelope Spheris and Sophia Coppola are the only female directors that come to mind.

 

[green]

the director of american psycho has directed one film....one....everything else she's done has been for TV. as opposed to scott and burton who have directed numerous memorable films, which is what makes their names memorable.

Ummm I Shot Andy Warhol.

 

[Cyrusbales]

now dont you think that there is stereotyping men, and further discriminating against women? if to be aggressive is to be masculine, then you're saying that women cant be aggresive? that's bulls#!t. women can be strong and aggressive for the sake and necessity of havening to be strong and aggressive when the situation calls for it. and you make it sound like by being aggressive your resorting to primitive tactics of the lowly male gender.

how ever, media generally deals in sterotype, considering it is the media that makes these stereotypes. Agression is also a negative trait, so portraying women this way is negative, do you not think?

 

[Cyrusbales]

the director of american psycho has directed one film....one....everything else she's done has been for TV. as opposed to scott and burton who have directed numerous memorable films, which is what makes their names memorable.

But why is this? That was my point in the first post, Why don't women get into film as much? Why don't they direct films as much as men? Why don't we know these people's names? Why are there less of them? That's one of the things that's intriguing me.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Ummm I Shot Andy Warhol.

okay, 2 films. even still, my point stands. besides as far as i've noticed, "i shot andy warhol" never gained much recognition giving people the chance to even take note of the director.

 

[mister Lennon]

That its because men are being predominant in almost all kinds of jobs. Cinema isnt different.

 

[Motown Marvel]

But why is this? That was my point in the first post, Why don't women get into film as much? Why don't they direct films as much as men? Why don't we know these people's names? Why are there less of them? That's one of the things that's intriguing me.

if thats what you want to know, then you've come to the wrong place. this is a forum made up of prodominantly male comic book fans. why dont women direct as much, you'd have to go ask women. is there a sexist thing going on in hollywood, studios not wanting to hire female directors? i dunno, maybe, maybe not, im sure that happens to some degree, but nothing too radical. no one here can answer the questions your asking.

 

[green]

okay, 2 films. even still, my point stands. besides as far as i've noticed, "i shot andy warhol" never gained much recognition giving people the chance to even take note of the director.

I wasnt debating your point at all. Just clearing that up. I Shot Andy Warhol is actually a good film to bring up considering the subject matter of what a man hating woman Valerie Solinas was.

 

[Cyrusbales]

if thats what you want to know, then you've come to the wrong place. this is a forum made up of prodominantly male comic book fans. why dont women direct as much, you'd have to go ask women. is there a sexist thing going on in hollywood, studios not wanting to hire female directors? i dunno, maybe, maybe not, im sure that happens to some degree, but nothing too radical. no one here can answer the questions your asking.

I have studied this in my spare time, i have a few veiws from a male POV, but I was wondering what other people thought, both male and female.

 

[ultimatefan]

I think the best movies that end up being called that are actually the ones who portray women as real people, instead of some PC idealized thing. Thelma and Lousie, for instance, are two good people who get in trouble for something that wasn´t really their fault, but they make a whole buncha mistakes too.

 

[ultimatefan]

how ever, media generally deals in sterotype, considering it is the media that makes these stereotypes. Agression is also a negative trait, so portraying women this way is negative, do you not think?

Agression can be a positive or negative trait, depends on when and how you manifest it. Agression can be a powerful defense mechanism, for instance.

 

[Motown Marvel]

how ever, media generally deals in sterotype, considering it is the media that makes these stereotypes. Agression is also a negative trait, so portraying women this way is negative, do you not think?

just because the media deals in stereotype doesnt mean society needs to deal in stereotype. and in your original statement, you made it sound like the stereotype holds true in society. and i do not think aggression is a negative trait, but rather it depends on the situation. wonder woman uses a lot of aggression, but she uses it for good, she's a hero, and also a strong female role model.

 

[ultimatefan]

just because the media deals in stereotype doesnt mean society needs to deal in stereotype. and in your original statement, you made it sound like the stereotype holds true in society. and i do not think aggression is a negative trait, but rather it depends on the situation. wonder woman uses a lot of aggression, but she uses it for good, she's a hero, and also a strong female role model.

Yeah, a female cop that uses her agression instincts to stop criminals and defend the innocent, for instance, is using agression in a positive way.

 

[ultimatefan]

Answering the question, is Hollywood a boy´s club? It´s hard to say. There are many powerful women in Hollywood as producers, actually Sony´s CEO is a woman. Why there aren´t more women writing and directing, I honestly dunno.

 

[Cyrusbales]

just because the media deals in stereotype doesnt mean society needs to deal in stereotype. and in your original statement, you made it sound like the stereotype holds true in society. and i do not think aggression is a negative trait, but rather it depends on the situation. wonder woman uses a lot of aggression, but she uses it for good, she's a hero, and also a strong female role model.

But WW stands for justice and doesn't kill anyone, the example earlier was about a serial killer.

And society's main constructing institute is the media, we are a media saturated society. It's our source of info in the world, and so it shapes our world. We don't deal exactly in sterotypes, but how many times have you assumed someone wearing thick black make up and dark clothes, with piercings and stuff probably listens to heavy metal?

We all use terms like goth, bimbo, ****, emo, rocker, grunger, pikey etc, we are saturated in stereotypes, we can clasify most people into one sterotype or another.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Three key feminist directors: Almodovar, Ridley Scott, Tarrantino. Notice they are all male? weird huh?

 

[ultimatefan]

But WW stands for justice and doesn't kill anyone, the example earlier was about a serial killer.

And society's main constructing institute is the media, we are a media saturated society. It's our source of info in the world, and so it shapes our world. We don't deal exactly in sterotypes, but how many times have you assumed someone wearing thick black make up and dark clothes, with piercings and stuff probably listens to heavy metal?

We all use terms like goth, bimbo, ****, emo, rocker, grunger, pikey etc, we are saturated in stereotypes, we can clasify most people into one sterotype or another.

Stereotypes are by definition imprecise, but they often correspond to something more general. It´s usual to associate sci-fi and comics geeks with obese guys who don´t get out much, it has become a stereotype because, well, a lot of comics and sci-fi fans are like that.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Stereotypes are by definition imprecise, but they often correspond to something more general. It´s usual to associate sci-fi and comics geeks with obese guys who don´t get out much, it has become a stereotype because, well, a lot of comics and sci-fi fans are like that.

For example of stereotypes, take clueless for example, these sort of characters are all too common in media, and people emmulate them, making these sterotypes real. People act in a way, the media catches on and exaggerates them into a sub-culture, then the people mimic this, which is how stereotypes are real, scary yet true

 

[ultimatefan]

For example of stereotypes, take clueless for example, these sort of characters are all too common in media, and people emmulate them, making these sterotypes real. People act in a way, the media catches on and exaggerates them into a sub-culture, then the people mimic this, which is how stereotypes are real, scary yet true

Yeah, but it starts with the people, then the media catches on.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Yeah, but it starts with the people, then the media catches on.

but the media exaggerates the people, so people who were goths who likes depressing music, kinda got turned into emo's by the media, which then turned the people into the exaggerated versions of themselves