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He turned down advances from Barca, as well as Bayern and Arsenal because he wanted to stay in Spain. Arteta was pulling out all the stops to try and sign him for the last year, but to no avail. Fair play to Liverpool, if they pull this off. He transforms their midfield and puts them well in the mix for the big prizes. He idolises Xabi Alonso too.
 
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Also, I wonder if Zubimendi potentially moving to Liverpool will have any effect on our move for Merino? *Yikes*
 

Looks like Tonali will be available from August if he doesn’t commit anymore betting breaches.
 


Damn, that would be disappointing from United's perspective, he's definitely someone we should be looking at given our need for the position. In today's market, even at his release clause, he's available for a very good fee IMO & when he came on for Rodri in the Euros Spain hardly skipped a beat.

At a wild guess, I think our business has stalled a little because I imagine we're a little hamstrung by FFP with some players we'd maybe like to move on from, being difficult to shift due to wages being beyond their current ability level. I think because of this we're likely going to end up having to settle for either no further signings or perhaps an option that's maybe well down the order menu at a more affordable price or a couple of loan deals.
 
Damn, that would be disappointing from United's perspective, he's definitely someone we should be looking at given our need for the position. In today's market, even at his release clause, he's available for a very good fee IMO & when he came on for Rodri in the Euros Spain hardly skipped a beat.

At a wild guess, I think our business has stalled a little because I imagine we're a little hamstrung by FFP with some players we'd maybe like to move on from, being difficult to shift due to wages being beyond their current ability level. I think because of this we're likely going to end up having to settle for either no further signings or perhaps an option that's maybe well down the order menu at a more affordable price or a couple of loan deals.
Yep, in a tournament final “when he came on for Rodri in the Euros Spain hardly skipped a beat” is a very big compliment.

FFP seems to be affecting a lot of clubs this summer, more so than in prior seasons. Newcastle and Villa for sure have been restricted a lot. City don’t seem to be likely to have a big net spend with Alvarez on the way out for big money.
 
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Damn, that would be disappointing from United's perspective, he's definitely someone we should be looking at given our need for the position. In today's market, even at his release clause, he's available for a very good fee IMO & when he came on for Rodri in the Euros Spain hardly skipped a beat.

At a wild guess, I think our business has stalled a little because I imagine we're a little hamstrung by FFP with some players we'd maybe like to move on from, being difficult to shift due to wages being beyond their current ability level. I think because of this we're likely going to end up having to settle for either no further signings or perhaps an option that's maybe well down the order menu at a more affordable price or a couple of loan deals.
We seemed to have shifted our attention to Berge of Burnley at the moment, feels like we are not getting all the targets we want or our first choice, seems like we are struggling to move some on as well so progress has slowed a bit due to their huge wages, a bit of groundhog day again this summer.
 
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Nobody is going to pay de Jong those wages. Either Barca are forced to stick it out with him, or he's going to have to take a significant pay cut. I like Zubimendi a lot, though I don't know if he's be physically up to playing the #6 role in the PL week in, week out. I think you'd need to pair him with at least one physical player in the middle to help him out. Yeah, that may be what has to happen first though just to stabilise yourselves and get on track before going for the real gems, similar to the route we had to take.

Barcelona are apparently willing to sell de Jong at a cut price of €35M but as you say nobody will take on those wages, PSG would have been their only hope but they've moved on from that type of deal apparently, after the waste of money Messi and Neymar were, and after tge farcical deal they gave Mbappe. I think Zubimendi would work well with Rice and Odegaard in your midfield, but probably isn't the best fit for us as we are still accommodating Bruno. The thought of siging Berge just makes me want to give up on the season, he'll just be more deadwood we can't shift.


Yeah, very excited about that prospect if there is a real chance to it. I’d keep Schar if he wanted to stay, been very reliable for us. Don’t blame him if he wants to move on either.

Has Schar said anything about leaving? As you need to build squad depth as both our teams found out last season when the injury plague hit.

Damn, that would be disappointing from United's perspective, he's definitely someone we should be looking at given our need for the position. In today's market, even at his release clause, he's available for a very good fee IMO & when he came on for Rodri in the Euros Spain hardly skipped a beat.

At a wild guess, I think our business has stalled a little because I imagine we're a little hamstrung by FFP with some players we'd maybe like to move on from, being difficult to shift due to wages being beyond their current ability level. I think because of this we're likely going to end up having to settle for either no further signings or perhaps an option that's maybe well down the order menu at a more affordable price or a couple of loan deals.

It boils down to us having some royal sacks of **** who refuse to move on from the ridiculous contracts given to them by the previous morons. Woodward, Murtaugh and the other tool should be arrested for criminal negligence with the Casemiro and Antony transfers, and Casemiro jogging about the pitch with his chubby face, lunging into tackles and then laughing like a goof is the worst of the bunch, but AWB is another mercenary wanting us to pay him to leave. McTominay at least seems open to a move but our club seem to be blinded by him scoring a few goals and thinking it makes him more valuable than he is, nobody is paying £30M for a last ditch bench striker, as a midfielder he's worth about the £20M Fulham offered. Eriksen is another one just sitting on his arse and there's no interest in Lindelöf.

We are in trouble, Evans is our only fit CB as of now, for the start of the season, our midfield is garbage and our wings are reliant on Garnacho and Amad.
 
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Barcelona are apparently willing to sell de Jong at a cut price of €35M but as you say nobody will take on those wages, PSG would have been their only hope but they've moved on from that type of deal apparently, after the waste of money Messi and Neymar were, and after tge farcical deal they gave Mbappe. I think Zubimendi would work well with Rice and Odegaard in your midfield, but probably isn't the best fit for us as we are still accommodating Bruno. The thought of siging Berge just makes me want to give up on the season, he'll just be more deadwood we can't shift.
Yeah, definitely. That's wise of them and also surprising considering what they forked out before for the players you mentioned. Yeah, like I said previously, I like Zubimendi and think he's in, or around about the top bracket for being able to dictate games and do what he does. However, he's not the most physical from what I've seen of him and it makes me wonder how he'd fair in the PL. You ideally want to pair him up with physical players with engines and who are willing to compliment what he does by doing the dirty work. Yeah, I think he'd compliment Rice and Odegaard well, but it seems as though Arteta has given up on trying to convince him and moved on to Merino. While I find the prospect of signing Merino pretty lackluster myself, he's not the most stellar 'wow' signing amongst the like of Zubimendi and de Jong, I think I can see why Arteta is going for him and will have to give them the benefit doubt, as there's nothing I can say, or do about it anyway. de Jong would actually be my dream signing to go with Rice and Odegaard, but alas.

I hear ya' on the lackluster of signing Berge, we went through the same thing in the early days of Arteta's tenure, but like you say it's the result of poor operating and wastefulness of your previous regime and having to try to clear the deadwood and bring in the right players while adhering to FFP. I don't however feel it's going to take as long for you to get on the right track as it has for us though, if it's any consolation. Signing de Jong would be great, but I think you need someone like a Ugarte, or a Berge to go in there and do the dirty work and allow the likes of Mainoo and Bruno to go and play, as Casemiro's legs look like they're going and McTominay looks like he is being pushed out.
 
Has Schar said anything about leaving? As you need to build squad depth as both our teams found out last season when the injury plague hit.
Agreed. I’ve not heard anything about him leaving but I’ve also not been paying much attention as of late. This is better than buying squad players too, have already performing players who are integral to the squad while also buying for the future and players who can displace them.
 
Yep, in a tournament final “when he came on for Rodri in the Euros Spain hardly skipped a beat” is a very big compliment.

FFP seems to be affecting a lot of clubs this summer, more so than in prior seasons. Newcastle and Villa for sure have been restricted a lot. City don’t seem to be likely to have a big net spend with Alvarez on the way out for big money.

Certainly don't think he's as good as Rodri by any means, who currently is the best in the world in that role IMO, but he definitely looked if nothing else, solid when he filled in for him. Could prove to be a steal if Liverpool have nabbed him for £50m.

We seemed to have shifted our attention to Berge of Burnley at the moment, feels like we are not getting all the targets we want or our first choice, seems like we are struggling to move some on as well so progress has slowed a bit due to their huge wages, a bit of groundhog day again this summer.

Don't mind Berge, he played well against us last season I think it was the game at Old Trafford. He's not a player I'd expect to drastically move the needle, but he'd at bare minimum give us some much needed depth with the potential to be more.
If we can nab him for £15m-£20m, preferably on the lower end of that scale, he'd be worth a punt.
Seemed relatively well rounded, decent tackler, big physical lad, seemed competent on the ball, neat & tidy.

Truth be told I'd rather take a punt on a couple of players than pay over the odds to PSG for a player like Ugarte. I hope we actually have walked away from that deal because it's clear PSG are trying to shift him & to try to gouge United on price, when they're looking rid is taking the piss.

It boils down to us having some royal sacks of **** who refuse to move on from the ridiculous contracts given to them by the previous morons. Woodward, Murtaugh and the other tool should be arrested for criminal negligence with the Casemiro and Antony transfers, and Casemiro jogging about the pitch with his chubby face, lunging into tackles and then laughing like a goof is the worst of the bunch, but AWB is another mercenary wanting us to pay him to leave. McTominay at least seems open to a move but our club seem to be blinded by him scoring a few goals and thinking it makes him more valuable than he is, nobody is paying £30M for a last ditch bench striker, as a midfielder he's worth about the £20M Fulham offered. Eriksen is another one just sitting on his arse and there's no interest in Lindelöf.

We are in trouble, Evans is our only fit CB as of now, for the start of the season, our midfield is garbage and our wings are reliant on Garnacho and Amad.

Really it's not the players fault, it's the previous regime for giving them such over the top deals. While doing so might in some cases stop players head's turning, it also impacts your ability to shift them if the time comes.

I can't criticise because if I was one of the players in question I wouldn't take what is likely a 25%-50% pay cut to leave, not without compensation for lost earnings which in the case of the likes of McTominay, AWB & Maguire for example, even though I believe they're out of contract in 2025, is likely anything from £1m-£5m. The hell I'd be letting a club trying to force me out the door when I'm still under contract get away with that lightly.
It's not uncommon at all for the selling club to give players in these sorts of situations either lump sums or agree with the buying club to cover the difference in wage for x number of years, it just comes down to is it worth it for the selling club to do that or just keep the player themselves.
 
Really it's not the players fault, it's the previous regime for giving them such over the top deals. While doing so might in some cases stop players head's turning, it also impacts your ability to shift them if the time comes.

I can't criticise because if I was one of the players in question I wouldn't take what is likely a 25%-50% pay cut to leave, not without compensation for lost earnings which in the case of the likes of McTominay, AWB & Maguire for example, even though I believe they're out of contract in 2025, is likely anything from £1m-£5m. The hell I'd be letting a club trying to force me out the door when I'm still under contract get away with that lightly.
It's not uncommon at all for the selling club to give players in these sorts of situations either lump sums or agree with the buying club to cover the difference in wage for x number of years, it just comes down to is it worth it for the selling club to do that or just keep the player themselves.

I've never agreed with this personally, is it legally accurate? Yes, but we aren't talking about the type of money situation where it's the difference between feeding your family and keeping the lights on, we're talking about the type of money where it's the difference between buying 2 Ferrari's or 3 this year. If they had any character they'd be wanting to be somewhere that wanted them and where they start every week, rather than being a bunch of greedy leeches who will sit on their arse all season just to collect extra money they don't need as they're already set for life with millions in the bank.
 



Chelsea must have the same accountants as City, FFP apparently doesn't apply.






Swap deal surely makes sense.
 



That should be the end of that, he's worth about half that.
 
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Chelsea going for the Notts Forest route of signing an entire new team in the summer.
 
Didnt realize the Charity shield was today so its still a glorified friendly but it is a chance to see two sides in action at the start of the season and we have the fun task of taking on Man City at Wembley with whatever players we dont have in hospital.

Got a feeling they might be looking for a little revenge after the FA Cup final today, may not be pleasant viewing for us.....:nrv:

All other leagues kick off today as well so its fun to have football back now at least until our teams start crushing our dreams and ruining our weekends once again, fun times. :like: :hehe:
 

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