Fox really does ruin everything.

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I'm all for changes for the better of an adaptation of a movie based on a comic book, but all of the movies Fox has distributed seem to take it too far. Examples:

I will start with the X-Men series, since it was the first.

X-Men: Before I begin, I'd like to state that Bryan Singer was always wrong to take on the director/co-writer duties of this series. If you would like me to elaborate, just ask.

First off, I never liked the idea of the Wolverine/Rogue relationship. We, the comic book readers know that Wolverine has had these kind of relationships with many of the young X-Men, but Rogue was never one of them. We know Kitty was one of them, but her role didn't really become significant until TLS, and Jubilee never became relevant in the series at all.

Staying on the subject of Rogue, I also do not like the relationship they developed between her and Bobby. There is nothing interesting about it. In the comics she has had her fiery cat-and-mouse relationship with Gambit, which always made for something interesting since it basically was just a game of cat and mouse, and then there's her relationship with Magneto, who was immune to her powers.

Next, there's the character of Storm; I'm sorry, people, but I never liked the idea of Halle Berry in this role. She lacked the strength of the character and I'll just leave it at that.

Lastly, there's the character of Sabretooth. Let's start with the fact that he is basically a cronie; I mean, you could say he kinda was one with the Marauders, but even then, he was an independent threat. Secondly, there's his persona; to be blunt, he was a dumbass, point blank. Lastly, he should never have even been in the movie to begin with. It almost seems as if they were like "Hey, let's just throw a bunch of the favorite villains together and call it the Brotherhood." They kinda screwed up the relationship of his and the character of Wolverine by doing so, which kinda severs his role in this movie from his role in X-Men Origins.

X2: I don't have many complaints about this one, other than what was stated about the previous movie, so I'll make this one brief.

Let's start with Yuriko: 1. Like Sabretooth in X-Men, she did not belong in this movie, they totally wasted a good character. 2. Kelly Hu is too damn pretty to play her.

Secondly; Why introduce Hank McCoy's cameo?

The third and last thing I will point out aboutthis movie is...where the hell is Peter's accent?!!!

The Last Stand: Where do I start? I didn't dislike this this movie as much as many of you out there, but there were some really dumb changes to what we all knew and loved about the characters in this movie. I also thought Brett Rattner, with more time and a better script, could've made a much better X-Men movie than Bryan Singer did in the previous 2.

I guess I'll start with the beginning of the movie, in which they basically tease us with what looked like a Sentinel appearance in the Danger Room. That just pissed me off!

Next, Peter still doesn't have a friggin' accent!

Also, once again they have reduced a leader to a cronie in Callisto, and once again cast an actress that was too pretty for the part.

Now, let's see how how many characters they wasted in this one movie: Psylocke: 1. They made her a villain. 2. They really didn't use much of her. Angel: What did he really do in the movie? Omega Red: OK, so it wasn't really Omega Red, as previously thought, but they kinda wasted what could've been Omega Red on a relatively decent action sequence. Gambit: After Watching XO, he would've fit better in this movie, as the fans requested.

Finally, we have X-Men Origins: Well, all we have so far is a workprint which is actually a pretty good flick until they start getting closer to the end in which they introduce the following characters:

Gambit: It's not the role, it's the actor; he kinda had the look, but didn't have the swagger or THE FRIGGIN' ACCENT!!!

Weapon XI: Why did they have to waste the name of Deadpool on him?!!! Don't get me wrong, outside of him shooting optic blasts, he was actually a pretty cool character, but please don't waste one of my favorite characters of the past 20 years on that!

Last, I wanna say that they wasted the Blob as well, Kevin Durand, as usual, was great in the role, and they hardly used him. I do think he was out of place in this movie though.

Daredevil: I can only comment on this movie since I did not see Elektra, due to lack of interest.

Also, unlike some of you I liked elements of this movie. There were really only 2 things that bugged me about it:

1. Jennifer Garner as Elektra. I like her, but...are you serious?!!! Jennifer Garner as Elektra?!!!

2. The fight sequence in the park was one of the cheesiest pieces of crap I've ever seen onscreen.

I didn't see Ghost Rider, due to lack of interest as well.

Fantastic Four: This I can make brief, because what I am about to state pretty much covers everything.

The movie just wasn't very exciting, the casting of Julian McMahon was good because he does play a very convincing villain, but his voice just kills me as Doom! It doesn't work!

Rise of the Silver Surfer: Who would've thought I would prefer this over the first and it was a PG flick? It was more exciting than the first, IMO, but still not exciting enough.
 
Thank god. I never like what Singer did. Storm shouldn't have even been in the first movie. Save her till you have the money to do it right.

I hate how he introduced Storm and Cyclops in the first one. They were just standing there!

I hated the costumes. Black leather. How orginal.

And yeah, the lack of accents on everyone really bothered me. The X-Men are supposed to be international. From all walks of life. From all over the world.

And MAgneto created a machine to make false mutations? Huh? Also hated his bad guy 'secret lair'. How cliche.

Yeah, Colussus not being Russian is like Nighcrawler not being German. Why not do the accent? I mean, why the hell not?

Everything like too futuristic and sci-fi. Too shiney and new. Like it wasn't real. Like no body ever used it. Like the brige of the enterprise. There should have been TVs with news channels on, coffee mugs laying around. Like its high tech but lived in.
Angela Basset shoulda been storm. Talk about a missed opprutunity.

FF isn't even worth talking about. Rise wasnt so bad though.
 
Thank god. I never like what Singer did. Storm shouldn't have even been in the first movie. Save her till you have the money to do it right.

I hate how he introduced Storm and Cyclops in the first one. They were just standing there!

I hated the costumes. Black leather. How orginal.

And yeah, the lack of accents on everyone really bothered me. The X-Men are supposed to be international. From all walks of life. From all over the world.

And MAgneto created a machine to make false mutations? Huh? Also hated his bad guy 'secret lair'. How cliche.

Yeah, Colussus not being Russian is like Nighcrawler not being German. Why not do the accent? I mean, why the hell not?

Everything like too futuristic and sci-fi. Too shiney and new. Like it wasn't real. Like no body ever used it. Like the brige of the enterprise. There should have been TVs with news channels on, coffee mugs laying around. Like its high tech but lived in.
Angela Basset shoulda been storm. Talk about a missed opprutunity.

FF isn't even worth talking about. Rise wasnt so bad though.
Angela Bassett originally was supposed to play Storm. She would've been perfect. Also, I agree with every one of your additional points.

BTW, I forgot to add what you said about Cyclops and Storm basically being side characters for most of the series when they were the leaders. Geez!
 
Yeah, Julian McMahon didnt' work on any level. Doom came off like a pissy metrosexual.
And the whole first film revolved around his love for Sue Storm. Dude, are you sure you even like girls? Plus, he and Reed both seemed too old for her anyway. And why weren't they married from the start? FF is supposed to be the first family of heroes. We have to watch the origin of them becoming a family? D'oh!



I never heard that they asked Angela Basset but even if they had, I wouldn't blame her for turning it down. It's not a great role as written in the script. She gets beat by Toad? The hell?
I thought there should have been a second film devoted (in part) to going to Africa and flnd Storm being worshipped as a God. But no, just standing there.

You ever read the Andrew Kevin Walker screenplay? You should.
 
1. Was Sue was not married to Reed when the FF comic started.
2. You're right, Angela Bassett did have every right to turn the role down for that very reason.
3. An Africa storyline would've been great if they would've actually given a character with the importance of Storm an actual valuable role in the movie. She's just about the only character with no origin in the movie. What the hell?!!!
 
Ok let's clear up some stuff. on the FF . In the comic's when they first got their powers Reed and sue weren't married that's correct. when Reed was in college with Ben and victor, sue was in high school she is younger but not that much young. this is why i rather they had Natasha Hentrige of species fame at that time they did the first movie other then I had no problem with Jessica alba. but i never found her right for sue in character or age. too young and she didn't feel right. I like herm but she wasn't right at all. So yes was too young among other stuff.

on the X-Men trilogy movies, yes I have issue's with it. I think I explained them in the X-men movie part of the forum, but i'll say it again making the movies revolve around wolverine when it was about the organization was the wrong move.

If they had spreaded out with each sequel of the movies and had given the other characters more spot light that would have been good, no it would have been way better.

There's so much for me to say about this. cause I'm a Canadian and didn't like the fact that they put too much focus on him. unlike certain people that would just say it was fine/ good just for that excuse. among others.

But what they did was make a bunch of wolverine movies and now we have a movie about him which makes even less sense. All it is is that this is wolverine 4 now when you look at it as a whole . and that's not right.

The only thing i'll say that was kinda good was the casting ( some of it ) and the fact that the cast wants to make it up to us. and they do want to make an X4 to fix it ala the incredible Hulk and that Jackman saw the complaints and put in gambit and cyclops to try and fix those mistakes made in the former films. But i don't like the way they did it.

Besides cyclops and Gambit have their own dark story's about sinister and apocalypse among others. that rival anything that was put in the weapon x story's. so it wasn't necessary.

it's just most of the fox guys have wolverine fan nut's in the group among them and didn't bother with the rest of those comic's that's what's killing this thing. they need more x-men fans in there working on the film's not just guys saying that they are and in fact their just wolverine nuts.



the problem is the movies were still done in a way that still revolve around his character which is just wrong. but he( Jackman) did try and make it up to us and it shows he's heart is in the right place. the other fox producer's prior though I have issues with. those guys aren't thinking and are using the name just to get money.

As to Angela Bassett have would have been great as storm maybe when I was back in 9th grade high school. the thing is after mr. Chris Claremont and a few other writers told me storm was actually only 28 when he was doing X-treme X-men the comic, and got the detail's on their ages. when I was at comic's fan X fan. I see that won't be passable to see Bassett in that role. and the only person that naturally looks close enough to storm is Tyra banks. she does have the natural blue eyes thing going for her. I'm aware some people may not like her. but she does have the near look. and she is a actress formerly at one point in her life.

I'm also aware other's here want Angela Bassett cause of how her voice sounded in the Fox TAS.

But seriously I don't think the voice thing really matters any more in choosing an actress for her these days..
 
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I just fixed it. sorry about that. I hope it's understandable for you now.
 
1. Was Sue was not married to Reed when the FF comic started.
2. You're right, Angela Bassett did have every right to turn the role down for that very reason.
3. An Africa storyline would've been great if they would've actually given a character with the importance of Storm an actual valuable role in the movie. She's just about the only character with no origin in the movie. What the hell?!!!


There is actually an origin for Cyclops and Storm in the shooting script. Singer just didn't film it. He said he wanted to shoot those scenes for the X-men 1.5 DVD, but he never did.

They were kinda cool, too. They would have helped, I think.
I wouldn't be surprised some of Scotts origin in this Xmen origins Wolverine movie since it appears that he's in high school (in the script, his eyes go off for the 1st time in the boys bathroom at a school dance.)
 
There is actually an origin for Cyclops and Storm in the shooting script. Singer just didn't film it. He said he wanted to shoot those scenes for the X-men 1.5 DVD, but he never did.

They were kinda cool, too. They would have helped, I think.
I wouldn't be surprised some of Scotts origin in this X-Men origins Wolverine movie since it appears that he's in high school (in the script, his eyes go off for the 1st time in the boys bathroom at a school dance.)
I got a feeling they didn't bother with that grid. they might put it in the directors cut now that they've seen you mention this. might. point Scott was supposed to be in sinister's orphanage being Experimented on by sinister. to be used as weapon for apocalypse and the fact that he suspected that cyclops is more powerful then himself or professor X even knew. which he was proved right later last year or some time back during civil war X-Men. awww well.
 
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I agree with you on pretty much everything, but Gambit. Ok, his accent wasnt great, but he tried. It wasnt his fault the characterization was great. Plus with more practise, Im sure the accent would be better. Though you cant really complain much about him as Gambit. I mean, he hardly had anything to work with and had hardly any screen time, so he didnt have time to develop. Again, this isnt Taylor's fault, its the writers, directors etc. I think Taylor did fine for what little he was given.
 
Yeah, they were pretty good, again, I think he was the best part of the movie, which is sad since his part wasnt that big.

Did you like Kitsch as Gambit?
 
I like him looks-wise. He could've worked a lil more on the accent and grew just a slight bit more facial hair.
 
Weird. I guess I didn't read your entire intial post. I didn't realize you guys had seen the Wolverine movie already. I'm kinda suprised. But man, that sucks about Gambits accent. I can't believe they wouldn't do a cool new orleans accent. What do they have against freakin accents?! Years ago, I would have said Harry Connick Jr. would be the ideal gambit. Good looking and from New Orleans.
 
I like him looks-wise. He could've worked a lil more on the accent and grew just a slight bit more facial hair.
Lol thats actually EXACTLY what I think. I think in order for Kitsch to look more like Gambit ,he needed just a bit more facial hair.
 
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Hated Wolverine and The Fantastic Four films. However, when First Class came out, i was nervous, but it ended up being one of the best comic book movies this summer imo. Hopefully Fox goes into this direction with their future movies.
 
Fox = :devil:


Welcome aboard all.


XMFC was a great movie. They even managed to **** that up by not making it an actual reboot. It was a step in the right direction though.
 

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