Sequels FOX Shared Universe - Part 1

[X-Maniac]

It's difficult to know how much to point the finger at Kinberg.

He's definitely been involved in a very mixed range of CBMs. That is rather worrying.

There were some very good dialogue scenes in DoFP like Erik/Charles on the plane, and the two Xaviers meeting. If he did those, then that's some good writing. But it seems like he needs a good director to filter out the good and the bad.

 

[psylockolussus]

Eh I didn't like the Erik/Charles scene on the plane, too dramatic.

Kinberg is not a good writer, I think his work benefits a lot when he's around talented people and he probably has a lot of good connection in Hollywood.

In hindsight, I just wish Fox and company didn't screw up Josh Trank's original line-up for the film. Heck, I would even be happy if Fox didn't care about F4. So at least, they wouldn't try to add their own take to the film and just release the film the way it was supposed to be done in the first place, from Josh Trank's vision and not someone else.

 

[psylockolussus]

I wouldn't mind an X5 somewhere down the line.

FF was their first failure at the "Universe" test and their 3rd failure with FF. Makes you wonder whether Gambit and Deadpool will make it with new directors and new casts, so their only safe bet right now is the cast and franchise that they know works (Singer and the OC).

So I'd say, try all the new stuff but put some money into X5. I think it means something if you can have the 15-year-old cast and franchise that started the CBM boom keep going.

Fox better start hiring the writers for a X-Men 5 movie!

The current F4 cast might be done now... but there's still a lot of goodwill for the original X-Men cast members!

 

[Sullstar]

Eh I didn't like the Erik/Charles scene on the plane, too dramatic.

The emotional, dramatic scenes are the best parts of the X-Men films, I don't see how you dislike it for being too dramatic, it's well acted by the 2 best characters in the franchise

Fox better start hiring the writers for a X-Men 5 movie!

The current F4 cast might be done now... but there's still a lot of goodwill for the original X-Men cast members!

More chance of seeing the FF come into an X-Men film than another OT cast movie

 

[psylockolussus]

The emotional, dramatic scenes are the best parts of the X-Men films, I don't see how you dislike it for being too dramatic, it's well acted by the 2 best characters in the franchise

Yeah I know but I just wasnt fond of that particular scene, too overdramatic.

Charles: You abandoned me, you took her away and you abandoned me.

LOL

The other dramatic scenes in that film was great though.

 

[magneto23]

I wouldn't mind an X5 somewhere down the line.

FF was their first failure at the "Universe" test and their 3rd failure with FF. Makes you wonder whether Gambit and Deadpool will make it with new directors and new casts, so their only safe bet right now is the cast and franchise that they know works (Singer and the OC).

Yeah. They're the only safe bet. FC and DOFP didn't "work".

So I'd say, try all the new stuff but put some money into X5. I think it means something if you can have the 15-year-old cast and franchise that started the CBM boom keep going.

The "15-year-old cast" isn't going to "keep going". Their roles have been re-cast.

 

[x-er]

I guess so, if you don't count Singer's involvement in the prequels and the fact that the OC featured in DOFP, which is the 2nd highest grossing X-film after X3, then I guess the new cast could pull it off but, honestly, I would rather watch a mature cast in a futuristic film than a younger cast in the past.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

having to many X-Men characters could easy over shadow the fantastic four and thats probably not the goal of a cross over and it certainly isn't like the avengers

kind of a moot point now.. but, I wasn't suggesting the use of all the original cast members (at least not as main characters) I would have like the idea of the original team having cameos (as the veteran teachers) and the younger generation (Kitty, Iceman, Rogue, Colossus) making up the new team, that the F4 would actually be teaming up with

I could still see a the crossover being used as a soft reboot (if not a full reboot)

 

[psylockolussus]

Honestly, I would rather watch a mature cast in a futuristic film than a younger cast in the past.

Same here.

 

[x-er]

^ Yeah. I also thought that airplane scene was a bit over the top, hehe.

 

[InCali]

The emotional, dramatic scenes are the best parts of the X-Men films, I don't see how you dislike it for being too dramatic, it's well acted by the 2 best characters in the franchise



More chance of seeing the FF come into an X-Men film than another OT cast movie

I get what you're saying, but I'd say there's a zero chance of anyone letting this iteration of the FF get anywhere near an X-Men movie. X-Men is well on the road to recovery and I don't think anyone would take any chances with it. There ain't much less than zero.

 

[psylockolussus]

More chance of seeing the FF come into an X-Men film than another OT cast movie

Sure!

I would love for Fox to give the 4 cast members another chance and they are so talented and have so much chemistry with each other.

 

[The Infernal]

If only any of that was actually present in Fan4stic. lol

 

[InCali]

Sure!

I would love for Fox to give the 4 cast members another chance and they are so talented and have so much chemistry with each other.

I think it would likely hurt X-Men at the box office. It's their prime real estate and they want to do everything they can to make it appealing as possible. Also, I don't know if anyone is really SURE it CAN be done.

 

[psylockolussus]

I read some suggestions that Fox could make 1 of the F4 as a supporting character to one of the films but then they live in parallel universes and they couldnt show up anytime they want. I think a Silver Surfer movie would probably be a better option right now for Fox if they want to keep the rights. Right now, they are in the heat of the moment so maybe after a couple of good CB films with some good F4 teasing to those films then maybe Fox could redeem F4 without resorting to recast the main cast. Most importantly, they need to hire a writer and director with a good track record for F4 so people would give them a benefit of the doubt that maybe fourth time is the charm. I mean if they hire James Cameron right.now to save F4... that would definitely do the trick.

I just think the big loser here is F4 not fox... bcos Fox will just move on and they will just continue to make movies. The 60 million write off people are saying... Fox will get that back when their other films performed well at the box office or when the Dvd comes out. If Wb didnt go bankcrupt after Green Lantern flopped... Fox wont too especially they probably didnt spend too much money in this film.
But F4? I hate the possibility that we might wait for the next decade for another film, even if Marvel is the one making it.

 

[InCali]

I read some suggestions that Fox could make 1 of the F4 as a supporting character to one of the films but then they live in parallel universes and they couldnt show up anytime they want. I think a Silver Surfer movie would probably be a better option right now for Fox if they want to keep the rights. Right now, they are in the heat of the moment so maybe after a couple of good CB films with some good F4 teasing to those films then maybe Fox could redeem F4 without resorting to recast the main cast. Most importantly, they need to hire a writer and director with a good track record for F4 so people would give them a benefit of the doubt that maybe fourth time is the charm. I mean if they hire James Cameron right.now to save F4... that would definitely do the trick.

I just think the big loser here is F4 not fox... bcos Fox will just move on and they will just continue to make movies. The 60 million write off people are saying... Fox will get that back when their other films performed well at the box office or when the Dvd comes out. If Wb didnt go bankcrupt after Green Lantern flopped... Fox wont too especially they probably didnt spend too much money in this film.
But F4? I hate the possibility that we might wait for the next decade for another film, even if Marvel is the one making it.

It sucks because the FF could be so cool. That being said, I would like to see them recast more along the lines of the original group of actors (meaning 2005 and 7); sooner rather than later and I want Marvel to have a shot at it. I'm not slamming MBJ, Miles, Kate, or Bell. I am fond of each and every one of them, but feel the casting wasn't very good.

The big loser "should" be Fox because they were the ones who put it together. Alas.....

EDIT: You never "make up" for losing 60M. You don't necessarily go broke, but if you didn't lose it to begin with, well, it's better. It's not a perfect analogy, but "Time lost is never found again". You may do most of the things you would have done with your lost time, but you don't make it up.

 

[def28]

Fox needs to stay as far away from anything Fant4stic they can. There is no box office pull to gain, the cinemascore of C- from the audience were the lowest for any Marvel film and the critic reviews were wretched.

They def need to not let the X-Men go anywhere near this franchise. Their goal should not be lets keep trying to make this work so they can crossover, it should be lets make sure this doesn't go near the films and characters audiences are enjoying. Cause there is nothing to gain for X-Men.

That crossover idea was forced to begin with, now it would just be desperate.

 

[InCali]

Fox needs to stay as far away from anything Fant4stic they can. There is no box office pull to gain, the cinemascore of C- from the audience were the lowest for any Marvel film and the critic reviews were wretched.

They def need to not let the X-Men go anywhere near this franchise. Their goal should not be lets keep trying to make this work so they can crossover, it should be lets make sure this doesn't go near the films and characters audiences are enjoying. Cause there is nothing to gain for X-Men.

That crossover idea was forced to begin with, now it would just be desperate.

Yup. Whether it's a successful (X-Men) or something Fox is trying to develop (DP/Gambit), there's no upside at this point in a Xover.

 

[psylockolussus]

It sucks because the FF could be so cool. That being said, I would like to see them recast more along the lines of the original group of actors (meaning 2005 and 7); sooner rather than later and I want Marvel to have a shot at it. I'm not slamming MBJ, Miles, Kate, or Bell. I am fond of each and every one of them, but feel the casting wasn't very good.

The big loser "should" be Fox because they were the ones who put it together. Alas.....

EDIT: You never "make up" for losing 60M. You don't necessarily go broke, but if you didn't lose it to begin with, well, it's better. It's not a perfect analogy, but "Time lost is never found again". You may do most of the things you would have done with your lost time, but you don't make it up.

Studios lose money every year but its not really the end of the world, if they are part of a big corporation and if they have other products that earn enough money. Basically, they have tons resources to make-up for their box-office losses. Walt Disney has a bigger flop this year with Tomorrowland which had a production budget of $190 million and only earned $204 million worldwide. The reviews for Fant4stic might be at the all time low... but as box-office wise/production budget is concern... this isn't as bad as films like John Carter, 47 Ronin, Green Lantern, Lone Ranger... F4's budget is just $120 million unlike those films which had a budget over $180 million.

 

[x-er]

After watching Sense8 this past month, I really wish they could explore the cultural/linguistic aspects of telepathy on X-Men. FYI, it's about 8 people in different parts of the world and, although you can't tell as you watch, speaking different languages, that are linked telepathically. It's all sorts of cool.

 

[Kermit_The_Frog]

I've been meaning to watch that show.

 

[starscream22]

EDIT: You never "make up" for losing 60M. You don't necessarily go broke, but if you didn't lose it to begin with, well, it's better. It's not a perfect analogy, but "Time lost is never found again". You may do most of the things you would have done with your lost time, but you don't make it up.

Unless Singer gets Hugh Jackman to go back in time to stop Trank from making this reboot...

Now seriously, I like that quote though.

 

[x-er]

Unless Singer gets Hugh Jackman to go back in time to stop Trank from making this reboot...

Now seriously, I like that quote though.

Hehe, I lolled.

 

[Ryan1210]

After having read the news about 67 characters in Infinity Wars, I really wish Fox would have a crossover event someday. X-Men, X-Force, X-Factor, Excalibur, New Mutants, Deadpool... If only Fox has a definitely plan for their universe

 

[GuestStar2004]

F4 won 5 razzies, good on it