Sequels FOX Shared Universe

[Rike]

They are already crossing over. Deal with it.

 

[def28]

Yup.
I've said this before and I'll say it again, anyone holding their breathe for a crossover to begin with is going to be disappointed. We ain't seeing it. We can talk all we want about how it could be successful with the right execution (the same thing was probably said for Aliens vs Predator or Freddy vs Jason), but Fox knows better than to do this. I give them hell on a regular basis, but even I don't think they are desperate enough to purse this misguided idea.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

Right now their Marvel films are Wolverine, Deadpool, Gambit, X-Men and F4. One of those doesn't belong and it's pretty obvious.

If anything their strong list of anti hero films should be leading to X-Force.

 

[JEM]

Apple and orange, the situation is little different .
I just said a good writer can imagine a story with Galactus, Shiar, Phoenix and the alternative dimension. It isn't like Spider/Batman team up against Joker/ Venom. The potential is here, we just need imagination.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

These guys are obviously scared of competition. They just want X-Men to stay in a corner.

 

[def28]

X-Men have enough on their own to compete with Marvel and DC. You think adding F4 will give them a boost? No it's the other way around.

Even D list X-Men rosters like First Class score cash after two poorly received X-men films.

If you want to see this crossover that's all good. But you seem to think the X-Men need these guys, and the truth is they don't in any way. Never have.

 

[MakeMinesMarvel]

Fantastic Four would receive the boost FROM X-Men. I'm done debating with you it's irritating. I'll definitely quote your replies with Kinberg confirms the crossover in August.

 

[def28]

Fantastic Four would receive the boost FROM X-Men. I'm done debating with you it's irritating. I'll definitely quote your replies with Kinberg confirms the crossover in August.

Which is why I said that.

You think adding F4 will give them a boost? No it's the other way around.

I'll definitely quote your replies with Kinberg confirms the crossover in August.

You won't need to cause much like what happened with Quicksilver I will have no problem admitting when things turn out good.

You just can't convince me right now that this would somehow be better for the X-Men. Cause they have never needed the F4 themselves in order to tell epic stories or for character. Anyone can write fan fiction scenarios with two properties and say it makes sense with alt dimensions, alt realties and all that. But this crossover will have to show me evidence that this is actually for better X-Men development before I say it's a good idea. Studios are trying too much to have crossovers just because it's a trend an means possibly more cash at the moment.

 

[random_havoc]

As much as I enjoyed Days of Future Past they should've done a reboot at the end of that film. Now they're (from what I've heard) setting the next one in the 80s, which screws with them if they're planning a cinematic universe like Marvel unless they want to set all their movies in the 80s or have to constantly shoehorn in time travel plots.

 

[Zarex]

Fantastic Four would receive the boost FROM X-Men. I'm done debating with you it's irritating. I'll definitely quote your replies with Kinberg confirms the crossover in August.

It's far more likely that the FF cinematic rights will be traded for the X Men TV rights after FFINO flops. With Colossus seemingly removed from the Deadpool script, crossovers of characters in the separate Marvel licensing agreements controlled by FOX are looking more and more unlikely.

 

[def28]

Deadpool was in X-Men Origins. So they have no issues with him crossing with X-Men characters. There are more then a few mutants in the Deadpool script.

Not saying this is the same for F4 but for whatever reasons there had to have been a deal made post Artisan and New Line with Deadpol between Marvel and Fox.

 

[Zarex]

Deadpool was in X-Men Origins. So they have no issues with him crossing with X-Men characters. There are more then a few mutants in the Deadpool script.

Not saying this is the same for F4 but for whatever reasons there had to have been a deal made post Artisan and New Line with Deadpol between Marvel and Fox.

Deadpool's crossover occurred prior to the Disney buy out, so whatever was approved back then may no longer be allowed. I had thought that his rights were wrapped up with the X-Men, but the lack of a casting announcement regarding Colossus certainly raises a red flag.

 

[def28]

I'm pretty sure this isn't a problem with Deadpool. Angel Dust is in and she is not part of Deadpool's characters in any way.

They still have 4 major roles to fill so we should see more casting within the next few weeks.

 

[Flint Marko]

Fantastic Four would receive the boost FROM X-Men. I'm done debating with you it's irritating. I'll definitely quote your replies with Kinberg confirms the crossover in August.

Saving this for ten years from now and we still have yet to get that crossover.
And by the way, even if something comes out a few months from now and says that some sort of crossover is actually in the works, I'm still going to hold onto this because what is in "development" and "in the works" is a far cry from what will actually be filmed and put in theaters.
I'm drawing the line in the sand right now, a Fox shared universe ain't happening. Maybe an X-universe with various spinoffs, but no significant crossover with the FF. Not anytime soon, and not with the current FFINO.

These guys are obviously scared of competition. They just want X-Men to stay in a corner.

What? The X-men don't need the FF, they're doing just fine on their own. There is no "corner" to speak of, and if there was, shoehorning a crossover with the FFINO certainly would not bring them out of it.
Since you're so on adamant about this idea, inform me of a scenario in which a crossover would make sense story-wise and would benefit both properties. What business do the newly revitalized X-men have teaming up with four non-mutants in a controvserival reboot that would actually make sense?

 

[Zarex]

I'm pretty sure this isn't a problem with Deadpool. Angel Dust is in and she is not part of Deadpool's characters in any way.

They still have 4 major roles to fill so we should see more casting within the next few weeks.

You'd give yourself an aneurysm trying to figure out how characters got divided amongst the various licensing agreements. Did Artisan, New Line or FOX get to reach into a grab bag of non X-Men affiliated mutants for their Deadpool contract? The leaked Sony e-mails regarding the Spidey contract showed that the process in allocating characters is a bit odd.

We will know what the contract situation is if a known X Men character is confirmed for Deadpool.

 

[Flint Marko]

You'd give yourself an aneurysm trying to figure out how characters got divided amongst the various licensing agreements. Did Artisan, New Line or FOX get to reach into a grab bag of non X-Men affiliated mutants for their Deadpool contract? The leaked Sony e-mails regarding the Spidey contract showed that the process in allocating characters is a bit odd.

We will know what the contract situation is if a known X Men character is confirmed for Deadpool.

The situation seems so sticky and particular that I see the contractual obligations as just another huge obstacle in Fox's way of mixing the two universes. I'm pretty sure the original contracts never had any sort of part allocated for a potential crossover film, so they are probably very trepidatious about moving forward in fear that the army of Disney lawyers will be ready to pounce.
I don't exactly understand the Deadpool/X-men issues, I thought they would have been coupled together.

 

[Zarex]

I don't exactly understand the Deadpool/X-men issues, I thought they would have been coupled together.

Deadpool was on a separate licensing agreement with Artisan Entertainment in 2000, and the character's rights moved on to New Line and ultimately to FOX. Rumor was that the character was closing in on his reversion date when the 2016 film was greenlit.

Marvel clearly agreed to a crossover in 2009, but we won't know if this arrangement still stands until the casting is settled.

 

[psylockolussus]

Then why not just end the world and have a good writer attached to Justice League VS Avengers VS X-Men? Or Taken Vs Transporter. Or Cinderella Vs Belle?

The excuse that if the writing's good still doesn't make sense for a forced project. If these studios joined forces they can have the end all and the common team which is The Avengers.

You keep saying this but you are not even open for a X-Men/Fantastic Four. Okay? Its not like the Fantastic Four world is bigger or well established than MCU.

And if you want to see Cinderella/Belle together, watch Once Upon a Time. People have this idea of this X-Men/Fantastic Four simply because it happened in the comics, they are both Marvel and they are the only properties that Fox have.

 

[def28]

The X-Men characters and stories are not moved forward by Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben. Why is this difficult to understand or see?

I've played Kingdom hearts, watched animated shows with everyone crossing over, read DC VS Marvel, Batman Vs Predator and other tons of **** where crazy worlds collide. We are talking about movie properties here.

They don't have this idea to significantly crossover F4 and X-Men because of the comics, tv or cartoons or else you would have seen them crossed over for story purposes years ago. They have this idea because of Marvel studios, and the other studios are crossover mad right now. It's a trend, the difference is DC and Marvel have good reason with team IP's involving different solos. If Marvel owned both you think they would be mashing only F4 and X-Men? No. Cause they don't have much here and X-Men has fire guys and Scientists at their disposal. This would be Fox going "we have these guys, now someone scrape it together so we can be like them". If Marvel said we are making a F4 and X-Men movie, people would be saying the same thing why? Cause it feels forced.

I'm open to the F4 being cameos in X-Men and Deadpool if there is a good reason. Not them being force fed into the X-Men world full time with full on crossovers, and stealing development from a series that fans and audiences demand more of. You out of all people have debated against the X-Men crossing over into films with me for years. Even when it comes to purely X-Men related properties or stories that would benefit characters. So I have no idea why you suddenly think this is good.

A few of you have completely done a 360 on your anti X-Men crossovers stance when talk of this happened and without much to back up why this would work while Marvel Studios wouldn't. Kept hearing that Superheros and mutants not being able to fit debate since Superheros are celebirties and mutants are hated. But now a few of the same people want Johnny Storm and the F4 here with no issues? Makes no sense. Heck, that's actually the one thing I think would be great.

If any of the debates for wanting this actually were that people want to explore why mutants are hated in the public eye but the F4 loved, I'd say there ya go. You can't explore that theme without both. But I've always seen the opposite attitude here, and very few solid pro arguments.

You'd give yourself an aneurysm trying to figure out how characters got divided amongst the various licensing agreements. Did Artisan, New Line or FOX get to reach into a grab bag of non X-Men affiliated mutants for their Deadpool contract? The leaked Sony e-mails regarding the Spidey contract showed that the process in allocating characters is a bit odd.

We will know what the contract situation is if a known X Men character is confirmed for Deadpool.

I hear that. It's a mess trying to figure all that out. Long Shot being a separate deal from X-Men made no sense.

I do think that Deadpool is free of this since there are no issues with Angel Dust and they have had him Origins. More things kind of point to it. But yeah, we'll see.

 

[psylockolussus]

X-Men have enough on their own to compete with Marvel and DC. You think adding F4 will give them a boost? No it's the other way around.

Whoever said about that? Though a X-Men/FF crossover would probably drive more interest than lets say X-Force, Deadpool, Gambit... two different superhero teams coming together hasn't been done before and if a writer came up with a great story, it can be done. A X-Men/Fantastic Four movie would be the first unless we see an Avengers/Guardians of the Galaxy cross-over or a Guardians of the Galaxy/Inhumans cross-over first. Anyway, this would be cool to see the X-Men interacting with characters that aren't under the X-Men catalogue and the Fantastic Four film world isn't that expansive yet.

 

[def28]

I really hope Marvel and Fox get along in the next few years...

 

[psylockolussus]

Because you want X-Men to cross over with a more crowded world rather than a smaller world that is just about to be established in the big screen. So whos forcing things now?

 

[def28]

And there's the kind of anti studio BS I'm talking about! The X-Men are clearly better developed with characters over there, yet somehow the F4 and X-Men make sense to you?

These are all Marvel characters and they all have their place in the Marvel world. X-Men and F4 characters could actually go where they are acceptable and planned appropriately without being forced into a rights corner. They would be developed with characters they are more suited to be with like Storm in Black Panther, Magik in Doctor Strange, Bob Agent Of Hydra in Deadpool, Silver Surfer in Infinity Gauntlent etc. If one is fine with a crossover like F4 and X-Men and doesn't consider that "forced" then surely one would would not be against Storm appearing with the person she saved as a child who later becomes her husband right? She's the friggin Queen of Wakanda.

It's our loss as Marvel fans. All this can be planned accordingly while Fox still make and develop out their X-films films. Everyone wins while the studio fan boy confusion and nonsense would be a thing of the past.

But that's the dream..

 

[psylockolussus]

Eh. I am happy with the quality of the X-Men and the Fantastic Four movies we are gonna get from.Fox. Thing is you deny the possibility of a X-Men/FF crossover but you want to shove them in a bigger film universe that is MCU. Fox aint ditching its cast... so if they ever cross over with Mcu... they have a lot of explaining to do on why mutants are not seen in the previous films and tv shows. With Ff.. its smaller, its easier and they are only in movie #1.

And even if you say Storm has a history with Black Panther, Wolverine and Beast are members of the Avengers in the comics.... the X-Men and MCU world are so separated from each other and so well established that making those things happen is gonna feel forced more than a X-Men/Ff different dimensions cross over. How are you gonna combine Mcu and X-Men? Are you suggesting an alternate dimension like some of us suggested for a X-Men and Ff cross over.

 

[def28]

Eh. I am happy with the quality of the X-Men and the Fantastic Four we are gonna get from.Fox. Thing is you deny the possibility of a X-Men/FF crossover but you want to shove them in a bigger film universe. Fox aint ditching its cast... so if they ever cross over with Mcu... they have a lot of explaining to do on why mutants are not seen in the previous films and tv shows. With Ff.. its smaller, its easier and they are only in movie #1.

Your not understanding me. I want to see these characters with others they actually belong with if anything is to crossover with them. I don't want Iron Man, Thor, Mr Fantastic, Sue, Rocket, Cap or whoever else forced into X-Men stories. They don't need to be there.

 

[psylockolussus]

You cant crossover Storm to Black Panther then Wolverine/Beast into the Avengers without establishing that they exist in the same universe which is just gonna look forced if they try to make that happen in the 1st place.

With FF....they are not mutants, they are in movie #1, theres a dimension travel... theres a lot of ways to bring them into the X-Men film verse. The only major complaint that I see is the story.... which could be provided by a good writer... who knows if Fox is actually working on it right now. Plus like I said Ff are explorers....if they can travel to different dimensions and places... putting them in a world with mutants doesnt seem so out of the ordinary.