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[psylockolussus]

Just like GOTG are second string right? Marvels D listers make more then X-Men, Spider-Man and Cap now with only one flick. Your in some alt reality yourself if you think they won't push those characters.

If dlist characters can be successful whos to say they wont come up with a good story for the cross over between X-Men and Ff.

 

[def28]

Starlord, Rocket, Groot and Gamora are a team. The F4 and X-Men are not. GOTG have had great stories by Abnett and Landing, they just were not popular.

We got 16 pages of this mad circle and obviously opinions are not gonna change so to each their own.

 

[psylockolussus]

It can done with the right execution. And as Ive given you enough ways for the cross over to happen without looking forced and you have yet to give a single way how FoX-Men would be included in the Mcu without it looking forced.

Like they would need to reboot both to make it happen. Theres no way dimension travel is the solution.

 

[random_havoc]

It can done with the right execution. And as Ive given you enough ways for the cross over to happen without looking forced and you have yet to give a single way how FoX-Men would be included in the Mcu without it looking forced.

Like they would need to reboot both to make it happen. Theres no way dimension travel is the solution.

and a reboot is exactly what x men needs. Having their movies in the past now it's dumb and cause problems with any possible crossovers. They butchered some great characters such as juggernaut and sabertooth. They have to reboot Deadpool anyway. And they're already recasting a ton of people anyways: Cyclops, Jean Grey, storm, Night crawler, Colossus, Gambit, and I'm sure more.

Other than wolverine what's really going to be left intact anyway?

 

[def28]

It can done with the right execution. And as Ive given you enough ways for the cross over to happen without looking forced and you have yet to give a single way how FoX-Men would be included in the Mcu without it looking forced.

Like they would need to reboot both to make it happen. Theres no way dimension travel is the solution.

We have discussed this at least 4 times PC. Here, and in other threads like the Apocalypse lounge. Marko just went over everything again. Do I really need to reiterate?

My bottom line is I don't need to see characters crossover who don't have much to do with one another's development. If I was to see X-Men characters cross with anybody, it would be with characters they fit more equally with. Much like you don't care if X-Men has been around for 15 years, rebooted F4, erased continuity and never established that other hero's have existed yet still think it's acceptable, I also don't care if they were to crossover with appropriate characters in the MCU. They have reality gems, future and past stories and all this other crazy sci fi ****. If the deal ever happened I would also be fine with X-Men being rebooted and re-cast since this would be at least 5 years in the future.

The whole idea of being forced into one another films is since Fox only have one option. F4 or nothing else. Otherwise we would never be having these debates. With the MCU, characters could be selected with whom they line up and for creative reasons. Not for being stuck with limited options.

Again, I don't need to see X-Men crossover into the MCU. I'm fine with Fox handling everything with X-Men alone. I prefer them being separate. But if any crossover were to happen I would rather it be with the company who has showed they know how to handle this stuff and own the better characters for X-Men to mash up with and can place them where they need to be. Plus it will have the benefit of these studios getting along. Which even with out crossovers needs to happen. So both these franchises can be more motivated to help one another.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Fox can deliver a good movie from time to time, they surely can deliver a cross-over film, oh wait that already happened with X-Men: Days of Future Past.

and a reboot is exactly what x men needs. Having their movies in the past now it's dumb and cause problems with any possible crossovers. They butchered some great characters such as juggernaut and sabertooth. They have to reboot Deadpool anyway. And they're already recasting a ton of people anyways: Cyclops, Jean Grey, storm, Night crawler, Colossus, Gambit, and I'm sure more.

Other than wolverine what's really going to be left intact anyway?

Deadpool and Wolverine 3 might be set in the present and not in the past. Gambit? who knows at this point. The only ones that are being recast are Gambit/Colossus. Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm, Nightcrawler are getting their younger version and we know in that the present/future, they'll still end up being portrayed by James Marsden, Famke Jannsen, Halle Berry and possibly Alan Cumming.

Fantastic Four being set in post-DOFP future will not contradict the previous X-Men films, it would just appear that they are the first non-mutant people to gain super powers which could be interesting on how the X-Men will react to this.

 

[def28]

If Fox can deliver a good movie from time to time, they surely can deliver a cross-over film, oh wait that already happened with X-Men: Days of Future Past.

Days of Future past is a full on X-Men movie featuring younger versions of the same characters from the same property.

It's not another property joining another. Your reaching.

We don't go into crossovers until Deadpool, and even then you yourself are considering that part of the X franchise.

 

[psylockolussus]

Its still a cross over no matter how much you slice it. Thats like saying Greys Anatomy and Private Practice didnt have crossover episodes because the latter is just a spinoff of the former. It doesnt have to be a separate property and Deadpool is under the X-Men's wing and have already appeared in Origins despite that film being wiped out in the new timeline.

 

[def28]

Deadpool is a separate property he was sold to artisan not apart of X-Men (because he's mainly a solo character), then New Line, and then Fox got him when they wanted to use him in Origins. That's why his contract has been discussed in this thread as well. If anything that's the one true property crossover Fox has had with X-Men.

Days Of Future past is one property "X-Men", not two. It is not a crossover of separate properties. It is a mix of casts young and old in the same film with the X-Men title that has always been about the same characters. How are you not getting this? The whole point of this conversation is talking about another property other then X-Men entering the X-Men world and rather that can work. Not if X-Men characters can have roles in X-Men movies or if younger versions of X-Men can show up in other X-Men movies involving time travel or flashbacks. We have seen that since X1 with a young Magneto. There are not even many characters going into the past other then Wolverine (played by the same actor who also showed in FC along with both Mystiques) and a short scene with Prof X.

DOFP holds zero relevance in comparison.

 

[psylockolussus]

It is still a cross over film.

 

[marvelrobbins]

why can't X-Men and FF ever be discussed without bringing up marvel studios films This is thread on fox shared universe of X-men-which includeds Deapool,and FF.

My entire point on FF had nothing to do with box office and all about marvel studios films it mostly about avengers.GOTG is only non-avengers film and that film was likely made to help build up Thanos for Infinity war.Add to that rumors about hulk for sequel.

With FF i was always on postion it could be good or it could suck we should wait for trailers.After seeing teaser i came up on it is going to be good.

Some you act like marvel studios is only studio capable of making good films.That is crazy.

DOFP was practully a reboot.Is trilogy,and first 2 wolverine films part of timeline anymore? No.That's basicly a reboot.

Fox can make X-Men and FF crossover work.If ff comes to X-Men dimension or ff exsist in present of new timeline.

 

[def28]

You mention Feige on page 1 of this thread and Marvel throughout all these boards even when not on tpoic. Since these are all Marvel properties and we do not know how everything works with Fox having never crossed F4 and X-Men it's inevitable on this subject. I would quote everytime you bring up Marvel but it doesn't take much effort to find those posts, here or anywhere else on the Forums from the past 5 years.

If you have such an issue then maybe you should take your own advice robbins. This is all on subject since only Marvel has had a true shared universe and they are connected through contracts. And given what happened at Sony as well as Fox wanting to make a TV deal involving their X-Men world, things could be subject to change.

Nobody is saying Fox can't make good movies. Many want X-Men to stay here since they are in good hands at the moment. It's debating rather it's a good idea to crossover X-Men with other properties. How does this really benefit The X-Men? And why?

A full fledged world interacting will take alot of time up. I wouldn't mind seeing Hank and Mr Fantastic have a conversation I guess. But overall I don't see what's to be gained here for X-Men.

 

[SuperT]

DOFP was not a crossover film...

 

[GuestStar2004]

DOFP was not a crossover film...

It kinda is but a different kind of one

Obviously no one ever expected to be able to see McAvoy and stewart both playing xavier in the same scene ever

 

[Sithborg]

DOFP is only a crossover in his mind because he doesn't consider First Class an actual X-men film. I wouldn't bother trying to fight him on this. His whole view on spin offs and such is weird.

I'm all for the companies having a better working relationship. But the breaking point for me on X-men in the MCU is most likely, Feige is going need substantial control. And that is something I do not want to see.

 

[Shikamaru]

X-Men and FF aren't exactly known for their crossovers with each other. If anything, each team would work better being crossed over with Spider-Man and/or the Avengers, since both teams have more history with those properties than they do with each other.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The thing is marvel have a set of solo characters with their own backstorys and set ups that are being brought together, while WB are kinda doing it backwards but are keeping the same sorta idea

Fox can try and copy that approach but F4 are not gonna work in the same way, the x-men is already its own universe full of mutants and adding the F4 to that univese won't give it a new heroes in town appeal

Films are different to the comics so chances are you could make an event movie of doing it the one time but anymore and you would be getting alot of the questions fans give marvel about their solo films... Why isn't iron man helping thor in London? Why didn't captain America go and save the president in iron man 3?

 

[Flint Marko]

It can done with the right execution.

Lol. As I've said several times already:

You can talk all day about how "with the right execution" it could be done, but as I've said before, I'm sure that same thing was said when the idea of a Freddy v Jason or Alien v Predator movie was floating around.

And as Ive given you enough ways for the cross over to happen without looking forced and you have yet to give a single way how FoX-Men would be included in the Mcu without it looking forced.

Like they would need to reboot both to make it happen. Theres no way dimension travel is the solution.

The crossover will be forced no matter how you slice it. It's all Fox has, so they're gonna have to really do some reaching to make it work.

We have discussed this at least 4 times PC. Here, and in other threads like the Apocalypse lounge. Marko just went over everything again. Do I really need to reiterate?

My bottom line is I don't need to see characters crossover who don't have much to do with one another's development. If I was to see X-Men characters cross with anybody, it would be with characters they fit more equally with. Much like you don't care if X-Men has been around for 15 years, rebooted F4, erased continuity and never established that other hero's have existed yet still think it's acceptable, I also don't care if they were to crossover with appropriate characters in the MCU. They have reality gems, future and past stories and all this other crazy sci fi ****. If the deal ever happened I would also be fine with X-Men being rebooted and re-cast since this would be at least 5 years in the future.

The whole idea of being forced into one another films is since Fox only have one option. F4 or nothing else. Otherwise we would never be having these debates. With the MCU, characters could be selected with whom they line up and for creative reasons. Not for being stuck with limited options.

Again, I don't need to see X-Men crossover into the MCU. I'm fine with Fox handling everything with X-Men alone. I prefer them being separate. But if any crossover were to happen I would rather it be with the company who has showed they know how to handle this stuff and own the better characters for X-Men to mash up with and can place them where they need to be. Plus it will have the benefit of these studios getting along. Which even with out crossovers needs to happen. So both these franchises can be more motivated to help one another.

If Fox can deliver a good movie from time to time, they surely can deliver a cross-over film, oh wait that already happened with X-Men: Days of Future Past.

If the best thing you can say about Fox is that they deliver a "good movie from time to time" (not really, they are 6 for 11 on Marvel adaptions so far, that's a failing grade) then that in and of itself is testament to the fact that they probably do not have what it takes to properly do a crossover film. "They have a good movie every now and then guys, so surely they'll be able to properly adapt their most ambitious project yet". Makes no sense.
And no, DOFP was not a cross over because X-men First Class and the X-men are all in the same franchise. Same continuity, same characters, same damn name for Pete's sake. To argue otherwise is ridiculous.

Its not like Ff compose of thousands of people. They are only four and Doom gets their powers with them and they are getting their powers in an alternate world. Its not that complicated as to having mutants in Mcu.

If you reboot the X-men (which will happen soon) putting them in the MCU wouldn't really be a problem at all.

And you are not reading my posts clearly I said would be se post Dofpin 2023 and they exist in different dimension. Try reading my posts.

That only makes the whole thing more ridiculous. We acknowledge that these characters don't inhabit the same worlds, so let's have some convoluted inter-dimensional travel mechanism be the way they meet. That does not sound good.

 

[SuperT]

It kinda is but a different kind of one

Obviously no one ever expected to be able to see McAvoy and stewart both playing xavier in the same scene ever

Right, but that doesn't make it a crossover. Crossover implies that you're bringing together two unrelated or completely different franchises. DOFP simply brought together older and younger versions of characters we've already seen in the same timeline.

Now if a future movie had the X-Men working with X-Force or X-Factor, I would consider that a crossover.

 

[GuestStar2004]

One thing I do take note of though is that these films probably isn't seen as a spin off but more a prequel continuation by fox

 

[psylockolussus]

DOFP is only a crossover in his mind because he doesn't consider First Class an actual X-men film. I wouldn't bother trying to fight him on this. His whole view on spin offs and such is weird.

Dont put words into my mouth. Its a X-Men film but had different cast members compare to the original trilogy. Dofp is a crossover of two different X-Men cast so its a cross over film.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Prequel means taking place before other stories.The only prequel elements are taking place before ending scene of DOFP.That's hardly much a prequel.

Having wolverine,Rogue,Iceman,kitty,Colossus,beast,storm,jean,cyclops,and Xavier at mansion in 2023 isn't that much to be prequel to.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Dont put words into my mouth. Its a X-Men film but had different cast members compare to the original trilogy. Dofp is a crossover of two different X-Men cast so its a cross over film.

It is crossover film.It's combing casts of Trilogy and FC

Star Trek generations was somewhat of a crossover star trek film with cast of star trek and TNG film.DOFP was the X-Men's response to the avengers.

No matter the official story from Kinberg i say fox made decsion to do DOFP after avengers opened big.and with 748 million WW it worked pretty well for
fox and X-Men considering the previous record was 459 million for last stand.

 

[psylockolussus]

According to gooooogle:
cross·o·ver
ˈkrôsˌōvər/
noun
1.
a point or place of crossing from one side to the other

Dofp is a cross over movie.

 

[def28]

Right, but that doesn't make it a crossover. Crossover implies that you're bringing together two unrelated or completely different franchises. DOFP simply brought together older and younger versions of characters we've already seen in the same timeline.

Now if a future movie had the X-Men working with X-Force or X-Factor, I would consider that a crossover.