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Fresno police video shows shooting of unarmed suspect

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Another case of police overreaction to shoot first then justify it later. In this case the shooting victim wasn't black so it didn't get national headlines until now.

The video is in the link. There is some cursing but it is bleeped out and though he is seen being shot there is no movie effects blood splatter. There is no blood visible at all but it is still clear he has been shot.

He disobeyed the officers warnings, no doubt about it but shooting him in this situation doesn't look warranted to me. I think they should have treated it calmly instead of being hostile right from the beginning and only escalating the situation.

To be fair to the cops though, he was acting like he might have something in his back pocket but his hand movements were slow so it really comes down to how you treat that situation. A taser or less lethal means of handling him probably would have prevented this from happening in the first place.

Dylan Noble died in June after police shot him four times, twice as he approached officers, twice while he was on the ground, still moving.

His family thinks Fresno police didn't need to use deadly force.

Police Chief Jerry Dyer said there are questions that body camera recordings, released Wednesday, answer and some they don't.

Was deadly force, in particular the final two shots -- taken by two different officers -- necessary?

"I do not have the answer for that today," Dyer told reporters in the central California city of 520,000 people.

An internal affairs investigation will look into whether police procedures were followed and whether there were other options. A review by the district attorney will determine whether the two Fresno police officers should be criminally charged.

"We're shocked and appalled that the city of Fresno would continue to defend the actions of its officers," said Stuart Chandler, an attorney for Veronica Noble, Dylan's mother. "Clearly the only appropriate response is to accept responsibility and commit to changing practices of the police department."

The chief said police originally responded to the area June 25 after a report of a man carrying a rifle while walking down the street. The two officers were riding together. One was a reserve officer.

They were stopped at a red light when a black pickup truck made a right turn onto the road in front of them and with screeching tires, appeared to speed away. The officers followed and after catching up to the truck, attempted to pull the vehicle over. The pickup driver kept going for another half mile.

The officer, Dyer said, began to suspect the driver was the man with a rifle call. He drew his handgun as he followed the pickup, just as it turned into a gas station and parked.

Both officers came out of the car with weapons drawn. Video shows Noble putting his left hand out the window. An officer yells at him to put both arms out.

During the next one minute, 17 seconds, Noble is in the vehicle but doesn't fully comply with officers' commands, the chief said. Officers get closer to the truck.

At one point, Noble climbs out of the pickup and an officer yells that he didn't tell Noble to get out of the vehicle. Noble gets back in the truck, leaving the door open. The officers move back to their car.

"Let me see your hands," an officer says repeatedly.

Noble gets out of the truck again and walks away from the officers, who tell him to get on the ground. He walks several more steps then turns around.

Dyer pointed out that at this point Noble has his right hand behind his back. He continues toward the officers then backs up. An officer yells for him to get down but instead he walks back toward the officers.

"What do you have in your hand?" one asks. Then he warns Noble he's going to get shot.

As Noble walks toward the officers, he hears another command to get on the ground. And Noble says, "I (expletive) hate my life."

The officer with a handgun, a veteran of 20 years, fires twice. Noble goes down and rolls onto his back.

Dyer said when he reaches for his waistband the officer fires again.

Noble squirms while he is told to not to move his hands. About 14 seconds later, the reserve officer, who has 17 years of service, fires once.

Noble didn't have a gun; he had what Dyer described as a piece of clear plastic, 4 inches by 4 inches, that contained moldable clay.
"We don't know what that is," Dyer said.

The chief said he viewed the video on Friday with Dylan Noble's father, stepfather and attorneys for the parents.

The father is "extremely disappointed at the way the police handled this shooting and he's relying on outside agencies for providing him with answers and justice," said Warren Paboojian, the lawyer for Darren Noble.

Paboojian said Dylan Noble would be alive if Fresno police had treated it like a normal traffic stop.

"You don't point (a weapon) at an individual for a traffic stop," he said.

The parents each plan to file a lawsuit against the city, but the actions likely will be combined into one trial, Chandler said.
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I can see how him walking towards them and not complying can be justified. The shooting of him while he was on the ground already shot, not so much.
 
Why instead of getting down, did he keep coming toward them reaching behind his back, and then when down into his pockets, and then again lift his shirt to reach into his waist?

I'm sure Obama will immediately fly down to address this.
In this case the shooting victim wasn't black so it didn't get national headlines until now.
Oh right.
 
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It does feel like suicide by cop. Further question, could they have attempted to achieved being a martyr due to all the recent news stories? "People are getting famous by being killed by cops, I'll be one of them!"
 
The final shotgun blast was obviously to protect everyone in case he might be a zombie?
 
I am relativity close to this. It has been on the news. It is one of those situations where it seems the man wanted to test fate. Must have been in a bad place, which in and of itself is rather sad.
 
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110% side with the cops on this one. They gave him plenty of warnings and he still didn't follow commands.
 
And yet they did not need a gun drawn. A taser would have worked. They could have used other nonlethal methods and did not need to go in literally guns drawn acting hostile. So they were justified in shooting only in such a way they left it with no alternative. This was a traffic stop, not a run away bank robber.
 
If he missed with a taser, and the guy had a gun, what next?
 
There are two officers there. If the two of them missed him with a taser then I think they should be better trained cops. He had no gun, he was very slow and deliberate. Nothing excuses their coming out hostile right off like they did either.
 
There are two officers there. If the two of them missed him with a taser then I think they should be better trained cops. He had no gun, he was very slow and deliberate. Nothing excuses their coming out hostile right off like they did either.
You cannot act like you have a gun. I am all for caution, but the guy would not follow commands and kept on acting like he had a gun after he led them on a chase that ended abruptly.
 
No, he was clearly wanting to get shot. That does not mean he should have been shot. The police came out aggressive and they did nothing to try detaining him before opening fire.
 
No, he was clearly wanting to get shot. That does not mean he should have been shot. The police came out aggressive and they did nothing to try detaining him before opening fire.
Because he acted like he had a gun. He stopped the truck abruptly, reaches in his truck like he is getting something and continuously reaches behind his back while walking at the cops. Yes, you shoot him. I hate that he had to die, but he clearly went out of his way to give the cops little choice.
 
And what about tasers? Why bother with those if shoot to kill is just the answer to every potentially dangerous situation? Where was the attempt to not kill another person ever made?
 
And what about tasers? Why bother with those if shoot to kill is just the answer to every potentially dangerous situation? Where was the attempt to not kill another person ever made?
You do not use a taser against a gun. It is far too risky. A knife, fists, a weapon that requires a close proximity to use? Hopefully yes. A gun? Of course not.
 
Why instead of getting down, did he keep coming toward them reaching behind his back, and then when down into his pockets, and then again lift his shirt to reach into his waist?

I'm sure Obama will immediately fly down to address this.

Oh right.

if he were black, he would have been shot before exiting the vehicle; especially after the car chase. but please make it about Obama.
 
And what about tasers? Why bother with those if shoot to kill is just the answer to every potentially dangerous situation? Where was the attempt to not kill another person ever made?

There is no guarantee with tasers. You are essentially asking a cop to use the lesser effective means when the threat could possibly have a gun.
 
There is no guarantee with tasers. You are essentially asking a cop to use the lesser effective means when the threat could possibly have a gun.

sure. but then why are there tasers? I've seen plenty of takedowns involving them. why not just shoot everyone?
 
sure. but then why are there tasers? I've seen plenty of takedowns involving them. why not just shoot everyone?
Tasers are to subdue less then lethal opposition. Like say someone wanted to attack a cop or someone else with their fist, yeah use the taser. If there are plenty of cops, I'd say use a taser even if they have a close range weapon like a knife or a bat. It is completely different with a gun.
 
He's not black so no one cares. No protests. No press conferences. No celebrities. No 24/7 media coverage.

I side with the cops on this one.
 
He's not black so no one cares. No protests. No press conferences. No celebrities. No 24/7 media coverage.

I side with the cops on this one.

Ah, so you wanna have it both ways.
 
And it's not like every story of people getting killed by cops makes national news.

Also, let's not forget there are countless incidents that don't end with the death of a civilian.
 
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