Frontline 7# Spoilers----Well THAT'S Interesting

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It seems that Captain America has finally gone off the deep end. They're barely disgusing that it's him. Apparently, Steve has gone nuts and is releasing Norman Osbourne from the control of Tony in order to sabotage the 50 state initiative.

Oiye ve.

I guess I'm glad that Captain america is going to be dragged through the mud as much as Tony but this is a bit much.
 
What makes you so sure that's Steve? Admittedly, I don't have it on me, only skimmed it at the store, but they left it plenty ambiguous so that it can be anyone.
 
Willowhugger said:
It seems that Captain America has finally gone off the deep end. They're barely disgusing that it's him. Apparently, Steve has gone nuts and is releasing Norman Osbourne from the control of Tony in order to sabotage the 50 state initiative.

Oiye ve.

I guess I'm glad that Captain america is going to be dragged through the mud as much as Tony but this is a bit much.
Some people are convinced it's Reed, actually.
 
i thought it was obvious that this was Tony Stark.

1. he designed something to counter nannites.

2. he's talking about betraying SHIELD; the ones who have Green Goblin on a leash.

3. why wouldn't they expect Cap to be the traitor? they are actively fighting him.


it's Tony. look at how the upper lip is shaded; to indicate a mustache. Cap doesn't sit or talk like that.
 
Uhhh...

THE BLUE COSTUME underneath his trenchcoat is a bit of a give away. Reed isn't built like a wrestler. That and I think its Steve's face.

However, just for the sake of argument....how would you react if it is Steve?
 
I would react by refusing to read another comic in the whole CW thing ever, (much less buy any,) and probably boycott Marvel for life. Other than that I'd be cool with it.
 
Willowhugger said:
Uhhh...

THE BLUE COSTUME underneath his trenchcoat is a bit of a give away. Reed isn't built like a wrestler. That and I think its Steve's face.

However, just for the sake of argument....how would you react if it is Steve?

Lots of heroes wear blue, and we don't even know it was a cotume. To me, the person looked like he was wearing a business suit.

And it really wouldn't make sense if it were Steve. For one, we already saw his reaction in Heroes for Hire that he can't believe that Tony hired villains. He wouldn't go out and do the same thing. That would push his character into character suicide to do something like this. Also, I doubt that he'd want to take down some of Namor's people.
 
Well it would be no more out of character for Cap to do 'Whatever it takes to win the war' (they did some awful things in WW2 to defeat the Nazis after all) than it would be for Tony to be manipulative or Reed to be stoic to the point of coldness.
 
It's Reed cause he found out Sue went to Namor and went totally bat**** insane.
 
Here's what I put in the B/T thread. As no one else has posted spoiler tags, I won't either.

Dread said:
FRONTLINE #7: Reminding us that on Earth, a Civil War has divided heroes and villians alike over something that's hardly as pressing as the Annihilation Wave (all it took to brake the Earth MU was a school explosion; entire PLANETS have blown up in ANNIHILATION and everyone's not as whiney). This is another solid issue by Jenkins as the past plot elements start to come together, and even some of the "chapters" of each book start to share plot points. Urich lifts the lid on the "Green Goblin" story (to which Iron Man is mum about), but it gets a lot of attention. Over in Wonder Man's chapter, it seems Simon was keeping an eye on the Atalantian faction just fine until Greeny firebombed them all to hell. And a mysterious man with a jacket and a blue garment gives Norman Osborn something that can, of course, in predictable fashion, overcome Stark's much ballyhooed nanobots to allow him free reign, but only when this man wants. Who is this man? My guess is Mr. Fantastic, but I could be wrong. And Sally Floyd meets the only Pro-SHRA politician who isn't a thug, an idiot, or a bigot. In fact, he all but makes her overzealous liberal paranoia seem dumb and predictable. An honest criticism of a liberal? Get a good look, it'll never happen again. Over in Speedball's chapter, he appears mortally wounded and his life flashes before his eyes, and he finally cops to some responsibility over his lot in life, Stamford, and the deaths of the New Warriors. Unfortunately, his powers started flaring up and may have caused the ambulance to crash, possibly killing more civilians, and thus proving the "Speedball was a ticking time bomb" theory true. Much as with issue #2, all I am waiting for is Speedball to murder an innocent puppy, on panel, for his image-destruction to be complete. While it made for a rivetting read, it is a shame that a once energetic, fun-loving hero has, once again, become a poster child for violence and post-modern cynicism. Comic books at no point in history have been as grim, as self important, and as divoid of anything that isn't dark. They almost seem afraid of a character whose function is life is something other than violence or angst (or sex appeal). And I didn't bother with the last 2 pages, and that was for the best. I guess Frontline now has to take a break, as the 2 issues meant to be after CW #4 have now shifted and they have to wait until Nov. for CW #5, but that's not so bad. I can use the breather.
So, yeah, my gut guess was Reed, especially as he seemed to be all "wheeling and dealing" last FRONTLINE issue, too (he was the one who wanted to give Sally a deal, and he talked Speedball into talking before Congress, where he got shot). Coincidence?
 
My first guess was Reed too, but Nick Fury seems like a pretty strong contender. He would have the tech to counter Stark's nanothingys, and it wouldn't be too out of character for him to manipulate Osborn into killing the Atlanteans. Plus, he emphasised how suprised SHIELD will be when they find out who it is.
 
Nasty-B said:
My first guess was Reed too, but Nick Fury seems like a pretty strong contender. He would have the tech to counter Stark's nanothingys, and it wouldn't be too out of character for him to manipulate Osborn into killing the Atlanteans. Plus, he emphasised how suprised SHIELD will be when they find out who it is.
That's another good guess. I like it! I mean, Nick Fury got nasty during SECRET WAR after all, manipulating and then mindwiping heroes to fight Latvernia.
 
Oooh, Fury would be a very interesting one to be the mystery guy.
 
it's Tony trust me. this mystery character tells Osborn that he got him a spot on the Thunderbolts roster. Reed doesn't have that pull. Tony does. it's Tony Stark.
 
I thought it was Tony. how could it be cap? Cap isnt smart enough to make a hi tech drink. plus how would he have enough pull to get osborn out of jail? Its Stark hes the only one that could have that much stroke.
 
first of all, tony does not wear a blue suit. it's not tony. it's either reed or fury. my guess is reed. i think he's trying to sabotage his own creations. i think he's finally realizing that he's wrong, but it might be too hard for him to say that publicly, or even among peers. i do, however REALLY want to see fury again. i miss that old s.o.b.

plus, think about what was actually given to norman. a serum to counteract the nannites. tony made the nannites. reed made the "antidote".
 
hmmm the blue shirt points to Reed.....but the character seems a little tooo sinister for Reed....even for Civil War Reed standards. When I read it the first person that popped into my head was Nick Fury, but I'd really love it if it's none of the people mentioned so far and then the ultimate revelation will really blows us away.
 
photojones2 said:
first of all, tony does not wear a blue suit. it's not tony. it's either reed or fury. my guess is reed. i think he's trying to sabotage his own creations. i think he's finally realizing that he's wrong, but it might be too hard for him to say that publicly, or even among peers. i do, however REALLY want to see fury again. i miss that old s.o.b.

plus, think about what was actually given to norman. a serum to counteract the nannites. tony made the nannites. reed made the "antidote".

someone needs to post a scan of the mystery guy. from what i've seen, the artist isn't all that great at depicting people in business dress. everyone looks like they slept in their clothes (wrinkles everywhere).
 
Muze said:
someone needs to post a scan of the mystery guy. from what i've seen, the artist isn't all that great at depicting people in business dress. everyone looks like they slept in their clothes (wrinkles everywhere).

it wasn't supposed to be business dress. i think it clearly shows a blue costume under a trenchcoat.

a blue costume with a "4" on the chest...and a black belt...
 
Hmmm....Look at the size of the desk...then look at where the hand comes to when handing over the vial....It's quite a stretch without getting up.
 
Nasty-B said:
My first guess was Reed too, but Nick Fury seems like a pretty strong contender. He would have the tech to counter Stark's nanothingys, and it wouldn't be too out of character for him to manipulate Osborn into killing the Atlanteans. Plus, he emphasised how suprised SHIELD will be when they find out who it is.

Nick Fury would be my guess too. After all, he's hasn't made an appearance yet (unless he was the banana man and was the skimask guy in Civil War#4) but it's been pretty clear he's lurking in the background. One plausible reason is that he's taking advantage of what's going on in Civil War in order to embarass the hell out of Maria Hill and get his old job back. After all, he's the guy who has apparently been supplying Cap's Secret Avengers with equipment and safehouses, so one could argue his aid has help prolong things. His messing around with the nanocites in the villains prolongs things as well, and would be a serious blow to the current bunch at S.H.I.E.L.D. if such a thing became public (hint hint Ben Urich hint hint). And it would also mean that somebody Cap thought was on his side is just as much of a minipulating bastard as Tony Stark (thus Marvel can then claim that they were being balanced all along :whatever:)

Then again, it could be another representative from Damage Control.
 
It's either Reed or Fury. Who else would have more of a grudge against the atlanteans than Reed? Namor is about to do his wife, anyone seen the cover of the next civil war? Plus its a betrayal so its someone close to Tony and on his side which counts out Fury. But the way they are bringing people in out of the blue, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Bruce Wayne.
 
Docker said:
It's either Reed or Fury. Who else would have more of a grudge against the atlanteans than Reed? Namor is about to do his wife, anyone seen the cover of the next civil war? Plus its a betrayal so its someone close to Tony and on his side which counts out Fury. But the way they are bringing people in out of the blue, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Bruce Wayne.
Oooooo, didn't even think of the fact that Norman attacked the Atlanteans, either. Very interesting.
 
Docker said:
It's either Reed or Fury. Who else would have more of a grudge against the atlanteans than Reed? Namor is about to do his wife, anyone seen the cover of the next civil war? Plus its a betrayal so its someone close to Tony and on his side which counts out Fury.

If it turns out to be Reed, not only does this allow the way to be clear for the new FF line-up (I'm still saying its Thing, Human Torch, Storm, and Black Panther) after Civil War--because Reed's butt will be imprisioned in his own Negative Zone gulag once S.H.I.E.L.D. hears about this--but Reed will have offically surpassed Iron Man (not to mention Doctor Doom) as the biggest *****e-bag of all time.

But the way they are bringing people in out of the blue, I wouldn't be surprised if it was Bruce Wayne.

1. So that's what happened to BatDick? :)
2. Out of the blue, guy wearing a blue tunic underneath...he he he he.
 

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