Game of Thrones - Book Readers' Thread - - - Part 20

[DarthSkywalker]

[BLACKOUT]So if Jon wargs into Ghost can he warg back into his dead body at some point or will Jon have to get a new body? It's not like he can give his body a blood transfusion and with all that blood loss his body is ****ed so what exactly is he gonna do?[/BLACKOUT]

And it wouldn't be time for a finale without some BS Stoneheart rumors.

[BLACKOUT]If Jon wargs into Ghost, they can resurrect his body with him losing his mind. The same way others lose themselves piece by piece.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Reek]

 

[Roose Bolton]

George made a point in semi-recent interview that he doesn't consider Stoneheart to be Cat, in the sense that what came back was so twisted from death that it's not really the same person. Whereas the Stark Direwolves are often compared by the children as being less of pets and more like a part of them. So the old Warg trick might be a great way to circumvent a potential Pet Semetary situation.

 

[Reek]

 

[Reek]

 

[Victarion]

I've come to the conclusion that Joffrey made Stannis sacrifice Shireen.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Ian McShane reprises his role from Hot Rod as Sandberg's father, marches onto the court and has Andy burned alive. HBO would have my money, and yours too.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

[BLACKOUT]If Jon wargs into Ghost, they can resurrect his body with him losing his mind. The same way others lose themselves piece by piece.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I always figured that if Jon warged into Ghost after he died, he would lose much less of himself than Beric or Cat once resurrected.

 

[YodaOfTheNorth]

I always figured JOn and Ghost would be one Azori Ahai could be born from wolf too man. maybe there is a spell by another priest where Jon inside ghost becomes man and if we are lucky Jon Snow looks now like Ned Stark. He could say how is it i looked like my father. Well you are a Stark and why not the greatest Stark of them all. You resemble Jon Snow Bran The Builder who in turn was your ancestor." "Will I ever be me again. Red Witch. "Why you will be loved by the whole world by fans who dreamed Ned Stark is alive.

 

[Marvolo]

Spoiler

I always figured that if Jon warged into Ghost after he died, he would lose much less of himself than Beric or Cat once resurrected.

That's my theory as well. [BLACKOUT]The reason Beric and Cat came back as less is because their "soul" passed over and had to be pulled back from death. In the case of Jon, if he does in fact wary into Ghost, his soul doesn't die. It just transfers to Ghost. Only his body dies. So if they can repair his body he can just wars back into his own body and he shouldn't be reduced at all. [/BLACKOUT] It's very different from what happened to Beric and Cat.

 

[Marvolo]

I always figured JOn and Ghost would be one Azori Ahai could be born from wolf too man. maybe there is a spell by another priest where Jon inside ghost becomes man and if we are lucky Jon Snow looks now like Ned Stark. He could say how is it i looked like my father. Well you are a Stark and why not the greatest Stark of them all. You resemble Jon Snow Bran The Builder who in turn was your ancestor." "Will I ever be me again. Red Witch. "Why you will be loved by the whole world by fans who dreamed Ned Stark is alive.

He isn't going to look like Ned Stark. And I don't think any fans are dreaming of Ned Stark being alive. He is good and dead and not coming back.

 

[Victarion]

If Jon's dream from ADWD is any indication, he may come back a bit less of a pacifist than he was prior to his stabbing.

 

[Marvolo]

If Jon's dream from ADWD is any indication, he may come back a bit less of a pacifist than he was prior to his stabbing.

That's understandable. If a bunch of morons stabbed me in the back literally and figuratively, I'd come back a little pissed off too.

 

[Roose Bolton]

 

[Drz]

I'm gonna talk about some theories and fan speculations about Jon Snow:

I like the theories where Jon Snow is simply the bastard son of [BLACKOUT]Brandon Stark and Ashara Dayne, while Daenerys Targaryen is infact the daughter of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark.[/BLACKOUT]

Ned Stark never things about Jon Snow as nothing more than a bastard nor is his nightmares about Lyanna are related to [BLACKOUT]the arguments at small council how Robert Baratheon wants to murder Daenerys and Ned Stark is so completely againts it.[/BLACKOUT]

So while I've always expected Jon simply wargs into Snow (since this power has been establishes with Starks since book 1) I'm not all about Jon Snow being the Prince who was Promised, the son of [BLACKOUT]Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark. I feel it's too generic fantasy, but it won't ruin the series for me if Jon Snow ends up being Jon Targaryen.[/BLACKOUT]

Also regarding Melisandre's visions just her seeing Snow, which people claim is a clear hint that Jon Snow = Azor Ahai, let's remember that if Jon Snow is Jon [BLACKOUT]Targaryen[/BLACKOUT], he wouldn't be a snow, infact hr wasn't even born in the Borth so neither is his bastard name properly a Snow, it's just the name given to him by Ned Stark. (Again Jon Snow as a name makes more sense if it was Brandon's) my point is: Melisandre sees snow, literally because Stannis is in a middle of a snow storm, something this show dealt with by having Stannis sacrifise her daughter to get rid of it.

Anyhow i'm just happy we're getting Euron Greyjoy!

 

[Roose Bolton]

http://intvseries.com/bryan-cranston-will-star-in-the-game-of-thrones

 

[Victarion]

And Darkstar was still more interesting than most of the show's Dornish cast.

 

[Roose Bolton]

There was a video on YouTube of all the Dornish scenes played with a Seinfeld laugh track. Considering how big a joke they've been, it was pretty fitting.

 

[YodaOfTheNorth]

Here is my crazy theory or least how it should be. I think Ned Could have gotten weak and loved Another women Could be Daynes sister who Ned loved but he promised to wed Cat unlike Robb Ned honored his promises. Arthur Dayne was waiting for Ned at the tower and the began to fight. Howland Reed tried to stop her but Arthur sister got in the way and Arthur accidently stuck her which in raged Ned and he out of anger Killed Dayne. Ned and Her son was killed within her and when Ned got too the tower there were two children. One a Targ Girl One A Stark resembling child. Ned promised for he realized Arthur was protecting the Air Too The Crown. Ned took Jon as his own and my belief was that Ned did love Jon for he was of his blood. He had Dany sent away. Maybe even talking the queen into pretending Dany was hers but the Queens baby may have died too. Ned Stark quit as Hand over him sending people too kill Dany. I Think Ned had many secrets and its why he acts like his life was not worth anything for Ned in the cells was ready to die too keep his promises secret.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Is it just me or is anyone else [blackout]actually looking forward to seeing Jon get killed?[/blackout]

 

[Spidey-Bat]

I'm gonna talk about some theories and fan speculations about Jon Snow:

I like the theories where Jon Snow is simply the bastard son of [BLACKOUT]Brandon Stark and Ashara Dayne, while Daenerys Targaryen is infact the daughter of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark.[/BLACKOUT]

[blackout]While plausible, there is far more evidence of R+L=J than B+A=J.[/blackout]

Ned Stark never things about Jon Snow as nothing more than a bastard nor is his nightmares about Lyanna are related to [BLACKOUT]the arguments at small council how Robert Baratheon wants to murder Daenerys and Ned Stark is so completely againts it.[/BLACKOUT]

Ned is against killing children. He most likely has PTSD from seeing the remains of Rhaegar and Elia's children.

Also regarding Melisandre's visions just her seeing Snow, which people claim is a clear hint that Jon Snow = Azor Ahai, let's remember that if Jon Snow is Jon [BLACKOUT]Targaryen[/BLACKOUT], he wouldn't be a snow, infact hr wasn't even born in the Borth so neither is his bastard name properly a Snow, it's just the name given to him by Ned Stark. (Again Jon Snow as a name makes more sense if it was Brandon's) my point is: Melisandre sees snow, literally because Stannis is in a middle of a snow storm, something this show dealt with by having Stannis sacrifise her daughter to get rid of it.

Bastards take their surname from where they are raised, not where they are born.

 

[CaptainCanada]

SKY Austria put the Previously On... for the finale online. Mentioned:

[BLACKOUT]1. Doran sending Myrcella and Trystane back and making Ellaria swear allegiance.
2. Qyburn and the Mountain.
3. Cersei being arrested and told to confess.
4. Meryn killing Syrio, and then Arya seeing Trant in Braavos.
5. The disappearance of Uncle Benjen.
6. Dany flying off on Drogon.
7. Sansa being told about the candle and grabbing the corkscrew.
8. Stannis burning Shireen.[/BLACKOUT]

Conspicuously not mentioned:

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1. The Brotherhood Without Banners.
2. Warging.
3. Any mention of resurrection.
4. Anything to do with the Ironborn.
[/BLACKOUT]

 

[YodaOfTheNorth]

I think Bronn will seek out Tyrion after this whole buisness in Dorne who knows he may take the most beautiful snake with him. Tyrion was a better boss and Bronn knows it.

 

[Drz]

[blackout]While plausible, there is far more evidence of R+L=J than B+A=J.[/blackout]

Ah, but is there!

Spoiler

Again, when you solely look at Ned Stark's emotions during Game of Thrones, he never feels Jon Snow is threatened (if Robert was truly all about murdering Targaryens) but the heated arguments between Robert and Eddard and him dreaming about Lyanna when it came to Daenerys really tell you something.

Not to mention Eddard Stark never thought about Rhaegar Targaryen for years, you'd think he would think about the Last Dragon if he was raising his child.

Further, Catelyn asks about Ashara Dayne in Game of Thrones because you had rumors circulating about Ned and Ashara and what does Ned respond with? He says and I quote "Never ask me about Jon", Why would he say that when the question was about Ashara Dayne? Unlessss. Ned even forbids the discussion of Ashara Dayne in Winterfell lol.

Ned is against killing children. He most likely has PTSD from seeing the remains of Rhaegar and Elia's children.

First of all, I love this message. I never thought of the idea of Ned suffering a heavy PTSD from those child corpses, but let us remember that Ned's fever dreams are also about the promise he gave to Lyanna Stark. These dreams start to happen ebcause Lyanna Stark is mentioned and when they're debating about [BLACKOUT]you guessed it: Daenerys Targaryen![/BLACKOUT]

Ned also feels he failed with the promise, again how could he feel failure with this promise when Jon Snow is safe in the Wall? Unless the nightmares and feelings of failure are about: [BLACKOUT]Daenerys Targaryen being in the danger of getting assinated, because she's Lyanna Stark's daughter.[/BLACKOUT]

Bastards take their surname from where they are raised, not where they are born.

Still, people could just say Ramsay Snow is Azor Ahai because Melisandre sees snow, she shees snow because Stannis is in the middle of a snowstorm.

 

[Reek]