Game of Thrones - HBO part 2 - Part 5

[Crockett]

Glad that Rheon got the role most fans wanted him for and he's good in Misfits, the casting's really top-notch for this season.

Also, I've read that Michelle MacLaren's going to direct two episodes, 7 (the one GRRM wrote) and 8, given the episodes she directed in Breaking Bad is fantastic I can't wait to see the same being done for this show.

http://www.westeros.org/GoT/News/Entry/MacLaren_Directs_Episodes_7_and_8/

 

[Roose Bolton]

Hate to be a perv but I'm in love with Lena Headey and I wish she would have more sex scenes.

Season 4.

 

[piccolo]

After having ignored the show until now, watched the first ep on thursday and then couldn't stop until I finished over the weekend.

Sucks how every character I like either dies or gets ****ed over, but i'm assuming things are righted with everyone eventually. Having the villains win often makes for better tv I suppose. But felt like every ep a knife was turning in my chest. The show does a great job keeping you emotionally invested and conflicted.

Only thing i'm struggling with is deciding who is worse between Joffrey and Theon. Joffrey is more evil a human being, but Theon's betrayals were of lifelong friends and family. Even though he didn't really kill Bran and his brother, the fact he thinks he did and is ok with it evens him up with Joffrey on the piece-of-**** meter. Joffrey was born a horrible person, but in some ways morphing into one from a decent human being basically overnight is as bad.

Can't stand Daenyrus. Arya and Tyrion are favorite living characters, hope they both have great things coming their way. They deserve it.

 

[piccolo]

Questions.

Why does Joffrey have such different reactions to Cersei and Tyrion slapping him? Cersei did it and he threatened her with death if it happened again. Tyrion smacks him up every other episode and he reacts like a hooker backhanded by her pimp.

Is it just because Tyrion is male and Cersei is a woman?

When the fire-queen gave birth to the shadow demon, was that Stannis's kid? I know she told him to impregnate her, but how could his seed be a demon? She must be a demon then, right? Where did she come from? Where did the shadow demon go afterward?

How did "Ned" come from "Eddard"?

 

[Pink Ranger]

How did "Ned" come from "Eddard"?

Ted = Edward
Dick = Richard

 

[Roose Bolton]

Questions.

Why does Joffrey have such different reactions to Cersei and Tyrion slapping him? Cersei did it and he threatened her with death if it happened again. Tyrion smacks him up every other episode and he reacts like a hooker backhanded by her pimp.

Is it just because Tyrion is male and Cersei is a woman?

When the fire-queen gave birth to the shadow demon, was that Stannis's kid? I know she told him to impregnate her, but how could his seed be a demon? She must be a demon then, right? Where did she come from? Where did the shadow demon go afterward?

How did "Ned" come from "Eddard"?

1) it's mainly because Tyrion isn't afraid of him at all and his own group of men to protect him from the little ****s retaliation.
2) it's kind of like blood magic, she uses his seed to make the shadow assassin it goes off and kills its target then dissipates afterwards. Melisandre is a red priestess from the country Asshai who believes Stannis is the messiah reincarnated. Other than that I can't spoil the details.

3) What Pink Ranger said. It's just a nickname thing like Jim=James, Bill=William. All that jazz.

 

[The Apocalypse]

I didn't want to put this in the book thread because I'm only up to 3. My friend, he's read up to the 5th book and he was telling me how he thinks Jon Snow is actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark and not Ned. After Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna he impregnated her. Ned only covered it up to protect his sisters name and his best friend Robert, who probably would have had the kid killed.

 

[Thundercrack85]

Questions.

Why does Joffrey have such different reactions to Cersei and Tyrion slapping him? Cersei did it and he threatened her with death if it happened again. Tyrion smacks him up every other episode and he reacts like a hooker backhanded by her pimp.

Is it just because Tyrion is male and Cersei is a woman?

When the fire-queen gave birth to the shadow demon, was that Stannis's kid? I know she told him to impregnate her, but how could his seed be a demon? She must be a demon then, right? Where did she come from? Where did the shadow demon go afterward?

How did "Ned" come from "Eddard"?

I think it has something to do with circumstances as well. When his mother hit him (as I recall) it was in the middle of a normal conversation, and a bunch of peasants saw.

When Tyrion hit him, Joffrey had just nearly gotten them all killed, and it was in the middle of a riot.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Spoiler

I didn't want to put this in the book thread because I'm only up to 3. My friend, he's read up to the 5th book and he was telling me how he thinks Jon Snow is actually the son of Rhaegar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark and not Ned. After Rhaegar kidnapped Lyanna he impregnated her. Ned only covered it up to protect his sisters name and his best friend Robert, who probably would have had the kid killed.

1) This should be in the book thread because it's largely been ignored in the TV show.
2) [blackout]There's been nothing new about it in A Feast For Crows or A Dance With Dragons.[/blackout]

 

[Sawyer]

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As enjoyable as the slaps are, my favorite part is that The Hound clearly doesn't give a **** about it.

 

[piccolo]

Thanks for the answers guys.

 

[DawnWarrior]

2) it's kind of like blood magic, she uses his seed to make the shadow assassin it goes off and kills its target then dissipates afterwards. Melisandre is a red priestess from the country Asshai who believes Stannis is the messiah reincarnated. Other than that I can't spoil the details.

So the shadow monster is basically a wish, right? Mel and Stan do the deed, and Mel thinks "I wish for Renly to die." And this monster comes out of her and makes it happen, and then the monster ceases to be. Am I understanding that right?

 

[Sawyer]

Am I the only one that finds myself oddly attracted to Catelyn Stark? She's very stern and a bit out of my age range, but there's just something about her...

 

[Roose Bolton]

She's a few steps down from the Cat of the books, who's still one of the most beautiful women in the kingdoms despite having five kids lol

So the shadow monster is basically a wish, right? Mel and Stan do the deed, and Mel thinks "I wish for Renly to die." And this monster comes out of her and makes it happen, and then the monster ceases to be. Am I understanding that right?

Pretty much. It's basically a sure fire assassin that does its deed and fades away.

 

[TheInvisibleMan]

eh Ive always figured Cat as being plain-ish..never liked her all that much

more of a Cersei fan, I like them angry and a little damaged

 

[smashmode]

Tom Brooke has been cast on the show:

http://winteriscoming.net/2012/08/tom-brooke-joins-game-of-thrones/

 

[Roose Bolton]

Could be a BWB member.

 

[smashmode]

AHHHHHH

Apparently Dominic West formerly of the Wire was offered the role of Mance, but turned it down.

Son of a B***H

[FONT=Verdana, Arial]Maureen Ryan of the Huffington Post has discovered, in the course of an interview, that English actor Dominic West—perhaps best known for his role as McNulty in the critically acclaimed The Wire, and currently heading up the BBC’s The Hour—was offered a part on HBO’s Game of Thrones... a part which he passed up because, apparently, it involved being in Iceland for several months (or so he recalls) and that it was a prominent role.

Ryan speculates a number of possibilities, but we think her first guess—that he was offered the part of Mance Rayder, the former ranger of the Night’s Watch who has proclaimed himself King beyond the Wall—is pretty much spot on. West would have been fairly perfect for the part, it must be said, but it seems that’s not meant to be. As we know from recent remarks, the role of Mance Rayder was still in casting just two weeks ago. [/FONT]

 

[smashmode]

 

[smashmode]

The one positive is that HBO wants a 'name' actor for Mance.

 

[smashmode]

"I was offered something on 'Game of Thrones' and unfortunately, I hadn't seen it, but my nephew and his father said, 'Gosh, "Game of Thrones" is the only great show on!' And I felt terrible, because I'd just turned them down," West said.

In any event, "it was a lovely part, a good part. I'm going to regret it," he said with a rueful laugh. "My problem is, I've got four kids, and at the moment, I'm reluctant to be away from home for a long time. I can get a lot of work in London and still be at home. That's one of the many brilliant things about 'The Hour.'"



"Should I have taken it?" he asked, semi-seriously.

 

[Poeman]

Dominic West made a big mistake...Great choice for Mance though

 

[DawnWarrior]

Are there any other parts from the later books that Dom West could play?

 

[El Bastardo]

I'm not completely sold on West as Mance. Well, get rid of the beard, give him longer hair and gray it... his face isn't the right shape for it. Too brutish, and that's considering the prettyboy role he had in 300.

As for the talk about Melisandre's shadow baby, keep in mind that in no way is it necessary demonic nor monstrous, nor does it make her a demon or a practitioner of dark magic. Remember, we've seen the equivalent of monsters in the Song of Ice and Fire world, the Others and their wights north of the Wall.

Melisandre worships and assumedly derives her powers from R'hllor, the Lord of Light. Given what we know, R'hllor embodies that which is all good from a view of Zoroastrianism, with the god of the Others that which is all evil and thus R'hllor's eternal enemy. And as she explains, at some point, shadow cannot exist without light, and thus shadows are something her god would have power over.

For what it's worth, I believe they do call it shadow magic in Asshai, and I believe there is some blood component, or can be - but blood is synonymous with heat and, obviously, life, which would both still fall under R'hllor.

 

[Roose Bolton]

The worshippers of R'hllor would have people burnt alive to appease their god though. The Red God may be the opposite to the White Walkers but that only makes him the lesser of two evils.