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CoD's also have the campaigns which are worth going back and completing. I usually enjoy them and they are quick to dive into without having to figure much out.
Ohhhhhh yeah. I usually never play CoD for the stories but the ones I do end up being worth it. Black ops 1 to me was the best that I ever played. I also remember the main character was played by the guy from Avatar.

I also played the campaign for Advanced Warfare, which hasn't aged well because of it featuring Kevin Spacey.
Well they haven't seen the end result is my point. You can't tell a ROI on an investment until the things you've invested in have put out products.
I get that. I'm just saying what I've heard. It all really seems like the higher ups at Microsoft were putting a lot of pressure on the Xbox division, strongarming them for some results after acquiring ABK. After they closed the deal, I was so upset thinking that it was the beginning of the end of PlayStation. But somehow, all the news and PR for Xbox ended up continuing to be bad to the point of where we are now.

If everything I said is what indeed happened behind the scenes, then perhaps it looks like the higherups were just being impatient, but I think it also goes to show how much convincing Spencer had to go to get permission for going after ABK.

It was Microsoft's biggest acquisition, after all.
 
at $15 a month you get the brand new Cod, AND the entire catalog of the rest of what comes with subscribing. who wouldn't wanna get that instead of paying $70 for the latest Cod as well as that another flat fee for other software throughout the year?

also, what is this $150 million price tag you speak of?
That's how much it costs to produce the annual cod game. I'm not saying it's bad for the consumer but its unsustainable for Microsoft especially given the reports that subscribe growth for gamepass has stagnated. They're spending billions to make pennies.
 
That's how much it costs to produce the annual cod game. I'm not saying it's bad for the consumer but its unsustainable for Microsoft especially given the reports that subscribe growth for gamepass has stagnated. They're spending billions to make pennies.
dang, I didn't know it was that much but they definitely make ROI with that anyway. even if it's unsustainable for Microsoft, they have the pockets deep to deal with the unsustainability. gamepass's subscription growth has stagnated, but you can bet your ass it will grow again in Q4 once the next Cod launches day and date on it. also, gamepass has been unsustainable for Microsoft. I think they have stated a while back that it cannibalizes sales and isn't a money maker for them.
 
dang, I didn't know it was that much but they definitely make ROI with that anyway. even if it's unsustainable for Microsoft, they have the pockets deep to deal with the unsustainability. gamepass's subscription growth has stagnated, but you can bet your ass it will grow again in Q4 once the next Cod launches day and date on it. also, gamepass has been unsustainable for Microsoft. I think they have stated a while back that it cannibalizes sales and isn't a money maker for them.
I'm sure it will see massive jump for the few months then take a nosedive. That's what usually happens when they release big titles. What I think you're failing to see is the overall impact this has on the medium. Films, music, and now video games have been devalued by subscription services and CoD is franchise that's already long in the tooth. A lot more hardworking devs are about to loose their jobs. Being able to take the financial hit is not how businesses stay in business.
 
I'm sure it will see massive jump for the few months then take a nosedive. That's what usually happens when they release big titles.
I think that's a little too pessimistic. CoD isn't just a big title, it is THE biggest title. Barring some annual exceptions, it is the best selling game every single year.
What I think you're failing to see is the overall impact this has on the medium. Films, music, and now video games have been devalued by subscription services
I think subscription services have just made the method of consuming films, music, tv and now video games easier. I can see how that makes it look devalued, but the general idea of gamepass being the Netflix of gaming is exactly what Microsoft was going for, isn't it? it's what Sony tried to do and failed with Psnow, and what Microsoft successfuly was able to disrupt the industry with.
and CoD is franchise that's already long in the tooth.
perhaps CoD did reach its peak a few entries ago, but they also reached a new high with MW2 in 2022. I dunno what the exact sales have been since then, but I don't think its status as a heavyweight franchise is ever going to change.
A lot more hardworking devs are about to loose their jobs. Being able to take the financial hit is not how businesses stay in business.
you got me there. as I have said to you many times before, you're way more knowledgable in this department especially since you even worked for them. I just find it baffling as all hell that Microsoft, the biggest company in the world, is unwilling to take a financial hit. let's not say that taking a hit will put them out of business, because they definitely are NOT in danger of going bankrupt for taking a hit, they've taken hits before and always remained on top.
 
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I think that's a little too pessimistic. CoD isn't just a big title, it is THE biggest title. Barring some annual exceptions, it is the best selling game every single year.

I think subscription services have just made the method of consuming films, music, tv and now video games easier. I can see how that makes it look devalued, but the general idea of gamepass being the Netflix of gaming is exactly what Microsoft was going for, isn't it? it's what Sony tried to do and failed with Psnow, and what Microsoft successfuly was able to disrupt the industry with.

perhaps CoD did reach its peak a few entries ago, but they also reached a new high with MW2 in 2022. I dunno what the exact sales have been since then, but I don't think its status as a heavyweight franchise is ever going to change.

you got me there. as I have said to you many times before, you're way more knowledgable in this department especially since you even worked for them. I just find it baffling as all hell that Microsoft, the biggest company in the world, is unwilling to take a financial hit. let's not say that taking a hit will put them out of business, because they definitely are NOT in danger of going bankrupt for taking a hit, they've taken hits before and always remained on top.
It's basic math: they went from getting 50-70 dollars individually for every game published at launch. Now they're getting 15 dollars a month flat for every title they publish. That loss of individual revenue is astronomical especially with the lack of subscriber growth. The notion that CoD will be around forever is naive especially considering that franchises failure to innovate over he the last 15 years and now there are better alternatives out there. I feel like most folks that still play CoD do it out of habit more than anything these days.
 
It's basic math: they went from getting 50-70 dollars individually for every game published at launch. Now they're getting 15 dollars a month flat for every title they publish. That loss of individual revenue is astronomical especially with the lack of subscriber growth.
maybe the loss in revenue is astronomical, but Microsoft being the juggernaut of a conglomerate that it is, should be able to just take the loss and continue to thrive as it already has been for so many years.
The notion that CoD will be around forever is naive especially considering that franchises failure to innovate over he the last 15 years and now there are better alternatives out there.
why is that naive? despite the fact that it has failed to innovate, it has not failed to top the monthly Q4 charts in sales. again, the series reached a new peak in 2022. and there are no better alternatives...Sony themselves even said EA tried to make Battlefield an alternative to CoD, and failed to do so.
I feel like most folks that still play CoD do it out of habit more than anything these days.
key words: still play. whatever the reason is for the majority of the fan base to continue playing the game, the fact of the matter is they are keeping it going possibly in perpetuity.
 
maybe the loss in revenue is astronomical, but Microsoft being the juggernaut of a conglomerate that it is, should be able to just take the loss and continue to thrive as it already has been for so many years.

why is that naive? despite the fact that it has failed to innovate, it has not failed to top the monthly Q4 charts in sales. again, the series reached a new peak in 2022. and there are no better alternatives...Sony themselves even said EA tried to make Battlefield an alternative to CoD, and failed to do so.

key words: still play. whatever the reason is for the majority of the fan base to continue playing the game, the fact of the matter is they are keeping it going possibly in perpetuity.
No business stays in business by pissing away billions even a company as large as Microsoft. The idea that they're big enough to keep taking financial hits in service of their subscribers is completely out of touch with reality especially when their subscriber growth has stagnated. Furthermore, spending billions across multiple projects just to give them away for peanuts objectively devalues your product. I'd argue it's financially worse than piracy, pirating a game takes effort and technical know-how. Also your scope on CoDs competition is limited. There are more FPSs out there than the two military wank fest shooter franchises. Single player shooters have made a massive comeback. I personally haven't purchased a CoD game since Black Ops 2 because there are better games to spend my time on now. I'm not the only one either. I literally do not know a single person still playing CoD in 2024 so you'll have to understand that I find those sales figures highly suspect. Wouldn't be suprised if Activision has been cooking their books.

There's also the DLC problem with Gamepass in that people typically aren't going purchase content for games they don't own and if Microsoft just gives it away, they're hurting themselves further.

Gamepass's failures are detrimental to the triple A space as a whole. We're seeing that play out in real time. We've already got ballooning dev cycles limiting the volume of big budget games getting smaller and smaller then we've got Microsoft just giving it away making things worse. Sony just had the most pathetic June showcase for games I've ever seen in the history of the playstation brand.
 
No business stays in business by pissing away billions even a company as large as Microsoft.
Microsoft is THE biggest company in the world. are you implying that with a net worth of $3 trillion, they would suddenly be in danger of going bankrupt for pissing away billions?

if yes, how? if buying ABK was THAT much of a risk and it also risks no ROI then why would they even take that risk?

if no, then they should just take the damn losses and move the hell on. they will survive and they will be fine. if they are not in danger of completely collapsing, then they shouldn't even be allowed to be concerned about taking some (what is in their filthy rich perspective) minor losses, given how much they have in their pockets.
The idea that they're big enough to keep taking financial hits in service of their subscribers is completely out of touch with reality
again, what do you mean that they cannot keep doing it? what happens if they keep on doing it? will this trillion dollar company collapse because of the billion dollars they spent? if not, then from every point of view the attitude should just be "tough luck. suck it up, and move on to the next money making project" and if so, then it was extremely foolish of them to spend that $70 billion in the first place and they should have known better.

when you say I'm out of touch with reality, I just want to remind you like we talked about here that I get that these bloodsuckers just want to continue being #1 as big tech, but that isn't a respectable reason for them to be doing things like slaying their employees. correct me if I'm wrong, but their ex-employees were slain just to protect the higherups' salaries, not because the company was in any danger. the higherups could have taken paycuts and their quality of life wouldn't have shifted nearly as much as the thousands who have ended up having their lives ruined.
especially when their subscriber growth has stagnated.
I truly believe that CoD being on gamepass will make the subscriber numbers grow and continue to grow from here on out. you can call me naive for that it's totally fair. but that's how much power I believe CoD has, until proven otherwise.
Furthermore, spending billions across multiple projects just to give them away for peanuts objectively devalues your product. I'd argue it's financially worse than piracy, pirating a game takes effort and technical know-how.
but it's already been devalued. like, we're already there. it's not like gamepass is still in its concept stage; it's been here for more than half a decade, its built a reputation for value. how could it be that gamepass loses value by adding the biggest video game IP to it day and date?
Also your scope on CoDs competition is limited.
those weren't my words man, it was Sony themself who said it.
There are more FPSs out there than the two military wank fest shooter franchises.
this is you being your usual comedian self 😂 never change, JVZ!
Single player shooters have made a massive comeback. I personally haven't purchased a CoD game since Black Ops 2 because there are better games to spend my time on now. I'm not the only one either. I literally do not know a single person still playing CoD in 2024 so you'll have to understand that I find those sales figures highly suspect. Wouldn't be suprised if Activision has been cooking their books.
we're veering into conspiracy theory territory here, but I can definitely entertain this thought - sure, it's possible that they're doctoring their sales numbers. but we have absolutely no way to prove that. the only thing we can tangibly go by is their yearly announcements of CoD's status as the top selling IP.

the rest of what you are saying is pretty much just personal opinion, or anecdotal. you and I can both spend all day talking about other shooters let alone other video games that are better than CoD, but all of that talking would do nothing to change the fact that the vast majority of other video games' sales are a fraction of CoD's.

back when the deal was still in negotiations, before Sony even signed a deal with Microsoft to keep CoD on playstation for 10 years, Microsoft already said they'll commit to doing exactly that. and after the 10 years, Sony should have enough time to create their own competitors. I had my doubts that Sony would be able to do that, but I think they may have already gotten it with Helldivers 2.
There's also the DLC problem with Gamepass in that people typically aren't going purchase content for games they don't own and if Microsoft just gives it away, they're hurting themselves further.

Gamepass's failures are detrimental to the triple A space as a whole. We're seeing that play out in real time. We've already got ballooning dev cycles limiting the volume of big budget games getting smaller and smaller then we've got Microsoft just giving it away making things worse. Sony just had the most pathetic June showcase for games I've ever seen in the history of the playstation brand.
I agree with all of this. gamepass may seem like a good service especially for consumers, but I don't think and never thought the video game industry was one that could have the same thing happen to it that movies and music did with the likes of Netflix & Spotify; it's just too different of an industry. they are certainly comparable in many ways, but this is one of the ways where I believed it didn't compare.

but it's too late now. gamepass is here, it's disrupted the market, and unless Microsoft decides again to just axe everything Xbox, then it is here to stay.
 
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Microsoft is THE biggest company in the world. are you implying that with a net worth of $3 trillion, they would suddenly be in danger of going bankrupt for pissing away billions?

if yes, how? if buying ABK was THAT much of a risk and it also risks no ROI then why would they even take that risk?

if no, then they should just take the damn losses and move the hell on. they will survive and they will be fine. if they are not in danger of completely collapsing, then they shouldn't even be allowed to be concerned about taking some (what is in their filthy rich perspective) minor losses, given how much they have in their pockets.

again, what do you mean that they cannot keep doing it? what happens if they keep on doing it? will this trillion dollar company collapse because of the billion dollars they spent? if not, then from every point of view the attitude should just be "tough luck. suck it up, and move on to the next money making project" and if so, then it was extremely foolish of them to spend that $70 billion in the first place and they should have known better.

when you say I'm out of touch with reality, I just want to remind you like we talked about here that I get that these bloodsuckers just want to continue being #1 as big tech, but that isn't a respectable reason for them to be doing things like slaying their employees. correct me if I'm wrong, but their ex-employees were slain just to protect the higherups' salaries, not because the company was in any danger. the higherups could have taken paycuts and their quality of life wouldn't have shifted nearly as much as the thousands who have ended up having their lives ruined.

I truly believe that CoD being on gamepass will make the subscriber numbers grow and continue to grow from here on out. you can call me naive for that it's totally fair. but that's how much power I believe CoD has, until proven otherwise.

but it's already been devalued. like, we're already there. it's not like gamepass is still in its concept stage; it's been here for more than half a decade, its built a reputation for value. how could it be that gamepass loses value by adding the biggest video game IP to it day and date?

those weren't my words man, it was Sony themself who said it.

this is you being your usual comedian self 😂 never change, JVZ!

we're veering into conspiracy theory territory here, but I can definitely entertain this thought - sure, it's possible that they're doctoring their sales numbers. but we have absolutely no way to prove that. the only thing we can tangibly go by is their yearly announcements of CoD's status as the top selling IP.

the rest of what you are saying is pretty much just personal opinion, or anecdotal. you and I can both spend all day talking about other shooters let alone other video games that are better than CoD, but all of that talking would do nothing to change the fact that the vast majority of other video games' sales are a fraction of CoD's.

back when the deal was still in negotiations, before Sony even signed a deal with Microsoft to keep CoD on playstation for 10 years, Microsoft already said they'll commit to doing exactly that. and after the 10 years, Sony should have enough time to create their own competitors. I had my doubts that Sony would be able to do that, but I think they may have already gotten it with Helldivers 2.

I agree with all of this. gamepass may seem like a good service especially for consumers, but I don't think and never thought the video game industry was one that could have the same thing happen to it that movies and music did with the likes of Netflix & Spotify; it's just too different of an industry. they are certainly comparable in many ways, but this is one of the ways where I believed it didn't compare.

but it's too late now. gamepass is here, it's disrupted the market, and unless Microsoft decides again to just axe everything Xbox, then it is here to stay.
If you're not actually recouping that money and actively hemorrhaging more of it, that trillion dollars gets smaller and smaller. Microsoft won't go bankrupt but the Xbox division will die. The end goal was to become the Netflix of gaming to get out of hardware manufacturing did make sense but we were under the impression that Gamepass has been more successful than it actually was and that people like the service. The numbers suggest this isn't true. From what I've managed to deduce from YouTube talking heads, friends in the industry and good ole fashioned forum lurking is gamers still want to own their games. My practice of subbing to rent the new release then unsubscribing after you're done is far more standard practice than anyone realized effectively making their first party releases disposable. I feel like the entertainment industry as a whole is about to collapse.
 
If you're not actually recouping that money and actively hemorrhaging more of it, that trillion dollars gets smaller and smaller. Microsoft won't go bankrupt but the Xbox division will die.
see, that's the thing. I'm inclined to believe that because Microsoft has a constant cash flow from all of their other money makers, that the constant bleeding of the Xbox division isn't even putting a dent into their operations. so if that's the case, the hemorrhaging of that division probably isn't making that trillion dollars shrink at all, is it?
The end goal was to become the Netflix of gaming to get out of hardware manufacturing did make sense but we were under the impression that Gamepass has been more successful than it actually was and that people like the service.
when you say "people" you mean consumers, right? and by all means, consumers definitely like the service. and millions of them are going to love it once they add CoD to it. it's going to be a system seller of sorts.
The numbers suggest this isn't true. From what I've managed to deduce from YouTube talking heads, friends in the industry and good ole fashioned forum lurking is gamers still want to own their games. My practice of subbing to rent the new release then unsubscribing after you're done is far more standard practice than anyone realized effectively making their first party releases disposable. I feel like the entertainment industry as a whole is about to collapse.
why do you think the entertainment industry as a whole is about to collapse?
 
see, that's the thing. I'm inclined to believe that because Microsoft has a constant cash flow from all of their other money makers, that the constant bleeding of the Xbox division isn't even putting a dent into their operations. so if that's the case, the hemorrhaging of that division probably isn't making that trillion dollars shrink at all, is it?

when you say "people" you mean consumers, right? and by all means, consumers definitely like the service. and millions of them are going to love it once they add CoD to it. it's going to be a system seller of sorts.

why do you think the entertainment industry as a whole is about to collapse?
Consumers do not love the service. You're willfully ignoring the stagnated subscriber numbers at this point. Whether or not CoD is enough to move the needle remains to be seen. Again, successful businesses don't stay successful by throwing money away. I'd wager Xbox has about another three years to get their **** together before Microsft's board steps in.

We're heading for a collapse because very few projects are actually making the money they should be and their solution is to keep throwing money at it when they should be cutting budgets in half because the product isn't worth what it used to be.
I'm just glad I got out before the **** hit the fan.
 
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Consumers do not love the service.
How do you figure that?
You're willfully ignoring the stagnated subscriber numbers at this point. Whether or not CoD is enough to move the needle remains to be seen.
Nah man, I'm not ignoring anything. I acknowledge that Microsoft is struggling to grow subscriber numbers but that doesn't mean that the subscribers that already have it don't love it.

CoD is gonna be a system seller. Mark my words.
Again, successful businesses don't stay successful by throwing money away.
I asked you about this a few posts above but I didn't really get a straight forward answer. Microsoft is the most successful business in the world and they've already been throwing money away, and that hasn't at all stopped them from remaining the most successful business.

So what do you mean by "successful" in this case? Because again...it seems to me that because Microsoft makes money everywhere elsewhere that the bleeding from the Xbox division doesn't even matter because of their cash flow.
I'd wager Xbox has about another three years to get their **** together before Microsft's board steps in.
Hasn't Microsoft's board already stepped in? Wasn't it because of them that 4 studios just closed and all those employees got slain?
We're heading for a collapse because very few projects are actually making the money they should be and their solution is to keep throwing money at it when they should be cutting budgets in half because the product isn't worth what it used to be.
I'm just glad I got out before the **** hit the fan.
Very few projects? I dunno man. What evidence do you have that projects in the movies, music, and television industries are actually making the money they should? We still have billion dollar blockbuster movies every year since 2021, there are hundreds of millions of listeners between Spotify & Apple music, and Sony is in talks to acquire Paramount. Where is the indication that entertainment as a whole is in danger?
 
How do you figure that?

Nah man, I'm not ignoring anything. I acknowledge that Microsoft is struggling to grow subscriber numbers but that doesn't mean that the subscribers that already have it don't love it.

CoD is gonna be a system seller. Mark my words.

I asked you about this a few posts above but I didn't really get a straight forward answer. Microsoft is the most successful business in the world and they've already been throwing money away, and that hasn't at all stopped them from remaining the most successful business.

So what do you mean by "successful" in this case? Because again...it seems to me that because Microsoft makes money everywhere elsewhere that the bleeding from the Xbox division doesn't even matter because of their cash flow.

Hasn't Microsoft's board already stepped in? Wasn't it because of them that 4 studios just closed and all those employees got slain?

Very few projects? I dunno man. What evidence do you have that projects in the movies, music, and television industries are actually making the money they should? We still have billion dollar blockbuster movies every year since 2021, there are hundreds of millions of listeners between Spotify & Apple music, and Sony is in talks to acquire Paramount. Where is the indication that entertainment as a whole is in danger?
There's a substantial number of users who sub up when the new titles hit and drop off when they're finished. It's part of why they're struggling to grow. If they loved it, they'd keep it.

Why would any company keep a division open that's actively hemorrhaging money? That's not how business works. It's not like they feel any sense of loyalty to their consumer base. I've worked for these people. I know this first hand. They've been knowingly selling faulty products to their users the 360. This is first time the board has stepped in, if they don't turn things around, they'll step in again.

There have only been like three blockbusters post Endgame (Barbie, Oppenheimer, and Mario) that have actually made the money they should have. I don't mean turned a profit, I mean maximized their earning potential. Home release windows are also getting shorter undercutting the major theater chains. Also it's a fairly open secret that Sony's consumer electronics division and playstation are their only divisions that are actually making money. The Paramount buyout is more desperate than anything else.

Also citing the two platforms that have effectively killed music's value isn't really the counterpoint you think it is which I think is the piece of the puzzle you're missing: these services are amazing for the end user but they're financially detrimental to the people who actually create the content. If we can't pay our bills doing this, we stop doing it. If you don't have the labor doing the work. You don't have an industry.

I respectively disagree with your assessment that CoD will save Xbox. It's a bandaid at best but time will tell.
 
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There's a substantial number of users who sub up when the new titles hit and drop off when they're finished. It's part of why they're struggling to grow. If they loved it, they'd keep it.
Do you have a source for this?
Why would any company keep a division open that's actively hemorrhaging money? That's not how business works.
I get that that's not how business works, but that's exactly what the business has been doing. Everybody is saying that Xbox is struggling, Xbox is failing etc. yet Microsoft announced no plans to stop making hardware. Their biggest IPs like Halo & Fable are also continuing to remain exclusive.
It's not like they feel any sense of loyalty to their consumer base. I've worked for these people. I know this first hand. They've been knowingly selling faulty products to their users the 360.
I have conceded many times that you're way more knowledgeable than I am on this matter, especially because you worked at Microsoft but also because you just overall know more than I do. The 360 may have been faulty but it still stands out in Xbox's legacy as one of the greatest video games consoles of all time, as well as the crown Jewel of the brand.
This is first time the board has stepped in, if they don't turn things around, they'll step in again.
You're right. But I think the board may feel like they have shown the strongarming enough, and won't be interfering again. Maybe that's just me being naive though, I'll admit it.
There have only been like three blockbusters post Endgame (Barbie, Oppenheimer, and Mario) that have actually made the money they should have. I don't mean turned a profit, I mean maximized their earning potential.
Wait, what? By maximizing earning potential, do you mean just not making the most profit they possibly could?

Spider-Man No Way Home did nearly $2 billion although it fell short of that. Fast 9 did $700 million, Black Panther 2 did $600 million, and so on and so forth. I don't think every film has to make $1 billion just to be considered a success these days.

Home release windows are also getting shorter undercutting the major theater chains.
So that is something that I noticed, and I have to admit it is pretty weird. It used to be much longer than just a couple of months and growing up I noticed it get shorter and shorter but I honestly didn't think that much of it.

I didn't know that this was a deliberate move from movie studios to undercut theater chains. Why would they do that? What do they stand to gain from doing that?
It's also it's a fairly open secret that Sony's consumer electronics division and playstation are their only divisions that are actually making money. The Paramount buyout is more desperate than anything else.
I thought Sony's insurance division was the one making the most money...and why would an acquisition be a move of desperation??
Also citing the two platforms that have effectively killed music's value isn't really the counterpoint you think it is which I think is the piece of the puzzle you're missing: these services are amazing for the end user but they're financially detrimental to the people who actually create the content. If we can't pay our bills doing this, we stop doing it. If you don't the labor doing the work. You don't have an industry.
I didn't realize the streaming services for music were bad for the artists. I recently watched a video about Spotify thinking it was just bad for them as a business, but not the artists:

I respectively disagree with your assessment that CoD will save Xbox. It's a bandaid at best but time will tell.
Fair enough. The respect is mutual, as I said you know much more than I do and have actual experience in the industry. I will again admit that I might be putting CoD on too high of a pedestal but like you said, time will tell.
 
Gotta pay for that Activision acquistion. Layoffs weren't enough.
 
I guess the price increase was inevitable, just like how a lot of streaming services have slowly been upping their prices over the past few years, too. :(
There has been evidence to show that grocery price increases over the years isn't because of inflation, but corporate greed. I'd reckon the same could be for subscription services, whether it's gaming or streaming.

When it comes to Psplus, I voted with my wallet. They changed the price from $50, to $60, to most recently $80 (more than the full price of a single game), without adding any value so I said **** you.
 
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