The Last Jedi General Episode VIII News/Speculation/SPOILER Thread - Part 7

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[DigificWriter]

I'm bowing out before I say things that get me infracted or banned again.

 

[Breogan]

Daisy Ridley 1: "Obviously, he doesn't even know who she is when she shows up w/ this frickin' lightsaber..."


Daisy Ridley 2: “I don’t think one girl, who he doesn’t know, turning up with a lightsaber is gonna make him go, ‘Oh, s—, yeah, of course I’ll get back into the action. "

Anyone interested in seeing context and tone of the quotes.
1- https://***********/ErikDavis/status/853470403318218752
2- http://ew.com/movies/2017/08/09/star-wars-last-jedi-rey-luke-skywalker-daisy-ridley-mark-hamill/

None of these conflict with Rey being Luke's daughter.
As already indicated to you Anakin didn't know he had a son and daughter. You seem to ignore or are unable to grasp that clear possibility.
Luke in his state may not instantly recognize or want to believe what is being presented before him, further he may not have even known he had a daughter or if he did once believed that she ceased to exist. All possibilities which you ignore, which in no way conflict with what Daisy Ridley said.

I'm bowing out before I say things that get me infracted or banned again.

Also it's a good time for you to cut and run as you realize your supposed definitive proof is rendered meaningless.

 

[X Knight]

speaking of Rey possibly not being her real name ( still hoping it's Kira!! ).

didn't one of the TFA kids' book describe Rey as a mysterious girl who "calls herself Rey"?

I remember seeing/reading something to that effect.

they could have said "a mysterious girl named Rey."

but instead they said she "calls herself Rey."

if that is true, it's a curious choice of words to use and does suggest Rey may not be her real name. She "calls herself" that name cuz it's a name she chose for herself for reasons. and as mentioned above, the name RAEH on her favorite pilot helmet could play a part in that.

 

[Eggyman]

Wasn't there some sort of game released around the time TFA where Kylo calls her cousin?

 

[X Knight]

Wasn't there some sort of game released around the time TFA where Kylo calls her cousin?

that was the Disney Infinity game.

but I think that bit was disproven.

He says "Face me, curses" or something, not cousin.

or, what I think it was. He says "Face me" but when he gets hit with an object, he also yells "curses." at the moment in question, the 2 pieces of dialogue happened to overlap because the player was throwing an object at him at the same time ( which triggered the curses line ).

 

[Eggyman]

that was the Disney Infinity game.

but I think that bit was disproven.

He says "Face me, curses" or something, not cousin.

or, what I think it was. He says "Face me" but when he gets hit with an object, he also yells "curses." at the moment in question, the 2 pieces of dialogue happened to overlap because the player was throwing an object at him at the same time ( which triggered the curses line ).

Ah, thanks mate. Would've been a big spoiler heh.

 

[X Knight]

Ah, thanks mate. Would've been a big spoiler heh.

yeah....lol. it would have been a huge spoiler and a huge faux pas on the part of Disney.

I remember when that came out. when you first listen to it, it does sound like he's saying "cousin."

but when I listened to it closer, it became clear it was something else.

and my initial excitement got crushed.

 

[Eggyman]

yeah....lol. it would have been a huge spoiler and a huge faux pas on the part of Disney.

I remember when that came out. when you first listen to it, it does sound like he's saying "cousin."

but when I listened to it closer, it became clear it was something else.

and my initial excitement got crushed.

I thought that might've been the thing Ryan asked JJ to save for him to reveal in the sequel. Very well might be but nothing to do with the game lol.

 

[X Knight]

I thought that might've been the thing Ryan asked JJ to save for him to reveal in the sequel. Very well might be but nothing to do with the game lol.

haha.

well, hopefully, we'll all find out the truth in a few months time.

hopefully.

 

[DigificWriter]

I wasn't going to wade back into this swamp of denial and cynicism, but Anakin not knowing he had children is completely irrelevant to this situation involving Rey, regardless of how many times people bring it up.

There is not a single credible scenario in which Luke Skywalker would be unaware of having a child that would not reflect poorly on him as a character based on what we know of both his activities and the state of the galaxy up until SIX years prior to the events of The Force Awakens.

However, as Pablo said, people have made up their minds.

 

[X Knight]

assuming Rey is Luke's and Luke had a wife, maybe Luke thought both his wife and daughter died. perhaps that played a part in "abandoning" everything and going into exile.

as for why Luke couldn't Force sense his daughter, perhaps whoever killed his wife ( and tried to kill his daughter ) severed all connection to the Force within Rey.

or maybe Luke, to protect his daughter, severed her Force connection himself and gave her up/hid her away.

I mean, there are lots of possible scenarios one could come up with.

 

[Iceman]

Haha, I was talking about Star Wars with a friend yesterday and referred to Rey Skywalker, and he said WHAT!! Was just a slip of the tongue lol.

 

[Grootster]

I've never really considered that Rey might not be her real name, but I would actually like it if her real name was "Kira" or something along those lines. Honestly, the name "Rey" has never quite done it for me.

Edit: I don't think that helmet means anything though, I'm pretty sure they confirmed that writing on there was just some kind of easter egg.

 

[Breogan]

There is not a single credible scenario in which Luke Skywalker would be unaware of having a child that would not reflect poorly on him as a character based on what we know of both his activities and the state of the galaxy up until SIX years prior to the events of The Force Awakens.

Ah, so now that you've been proven wrong, and you see Rey could be Luke's daughter, and Hidalgo and Ridley's statements don't say there is no connection, as you falsely claimed they said.

Rey has no connection to either Kylo OR Luke, as per Pablo Hidalgo and Daisy Ridley, respectively.

Now you've changed your argument. from: Rey has no connection to Luke or Kylo as per Hidalgo and Ridley

To Rey has no connection to Luke or Kylo because ...

it will reflect poorly on Luke.

Well now that is an interesting question.
Will it reflect poorly on Luke?
We don't know that entirely yet, that's the story they are about to tell, we will find out why he doesn't know or recognize his daughter.
If by the end after we have all the details , as has been pointed out to you- Luke may not have even known he had a daughter, or if he did, he may have believed that she ceased to exist. Or worse, he believes that his own actions caused her and maybe the mother to be killed.
Hence contributing to his exile. X Knight above explores even further.
Luke is not infallible, he was never presented as such. And we don't know how far or deep Snoke's influence, and deceit go yet.

I wasn't going to wade back into this swamp of denial and cynicism,

Now if you still can't see how Rey can be Luke's Daughter, maybe it's you who is in denial.
And if you are judging Luke based solely on what we've seen so far, maybe its you being the cynic.

 

[X Knight]

at this point, anything about Rey's lineage is pure speculation.

nothing has been confirmed.

if Rey had been officially confirmed to be ( or NOT to be ) related to Luke, that would have been already plastered all over the Hype, IGN, MSW, and the net in general.

we wouldn't be having this discussion debating the issue, other than if we can trust the official word given other cases like Kahn, etc.

but right now, we are all just speculating. nothing is fact.

 

[Breogan]

I'm more with Daisy Ridley on this, I thought allot was answered in The Force Awakens,

https://www.timeout.com/london/blog...ns-reckons-star-wars-star-daisy-ridley-120516

If you genuinely ask yourself where allot was answered, then it's all there.
It's what the movie wonderfully built up to. From the promos about the force is strong in my family, the set up themes of belonging, Maz's hints, her visions, how everything unfolded and played out to her claiming her families saber, to the spectacular and powerful ending which drove it home.
They did everything but say it out loud, which the movie didn't need.
There is allot there, and it very satisfyingly points right to it

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I wasn't going to wade back into this swamp of denial and cynicism, but Anakin not knowing he had children is completely irrelevant to this situation involving Rey, regardless of how many times people bring it up.

There is not a single credible scenario in which Luke Skywalker would be unaware of having a child that would not reflect poorly on him as a character based on what we know of both his activities and the state of the galaxy up until SIX years prior to the events of The Force Awakens.

However, as Pablo said, people have made up their minds.

Luke fell in love with a woman. Perhaps a member of the Church of the Force. It got all passionate, Luke lost his virginity, it was beautiful. Do to a conflict, perhaps it is Snoke, they were forced apart with Luke unaware she was with child, maybe he did. Either way, Luke is incapable of finding her. Perhaps at this point she is already dead and she has given her precious little girl to someone else to hide. To protect. Or maybe she takes the little girl to Jakku herself. She then left her on Jakku, giving those she left her with strict instructions to leave her with Lor San Tekka. Those were not followed because scum and villainy.

That wasn't difficult, at all.

 

[X Knight]

Luke fell in love with a woman. Perhaps a member of the Church of the Force. It got all passionate, Luke lost his virginity, it was beautiful. Do to a conflict, perhaps it is Snoke, they were forced apart with Luke unaware she was with child, maybe he did. Either way, Luke is incapable of finding her. Perhaps at this point she is already dead and she has given her precious little girl to someone else to hide. To protect. Or maybe she takes the little girl to Jakku herself. She then left her on Jakku, giving those she left her with strict instructions to leave her with Lor San Tekka. Those were not followed because scum and villainy.

That wasn't difficult, at all.

y'know, if Rey's mom is a powerful Force user herself, it's entirely possible she's the one who mind wiped Rey and severed her connection to the Force, so no Force user could find her, including Luke. Maybe Rey's mom did this to protect her and hide her and did it knowing she was about to die.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't think anyone had to disconnect her from the Force. The Force does its own thing in these situations. Like hiding Leia right in front of her father or Vader not feeling Luke until the Trench Run. Basically, you kind of have to be aware of something before you can truly sense it in this manner. To recognize them in the Force beyond their connection to it.

 

[X Knight]

I don't think anyone had to disconnect her from the Force. The Force does its own thing in these situations. Like hiding Leia right in front of her father or Vader not feeling Luke until the Trench Run.

true.

or getting Anakin's mom pregnant.

what a creepy Force.



also, it's possible Snoke was responsible for killing Rey's mom and maybe he couldn't kill Rey in a rare moment of pity/compassion. Maybe he's the one who arranged for her to be left on Jakku.

or maybe it wasn't kindness or compassion but part of his overall scheme. Should Ben/Kylo prove to be a failure, he'd have a "backup" child in Rey.

 

[Iceman]

I've never really considered that Rey might not be her real name, but I would actually like it if her real name was "Kira" or something along those lines. Honestly, the name "Rey" has never quite done it for me.

Edit: I don't think that helmet means anything though, I'm pretty sure they confirmed that writing on there was just some kind of easter egg.

Rey does sound like it could be a nickname or shortened name.

 

[X Knight]

Rey does sound like it could be a nickname or shortened name.

her full name is Rey Mysterio and her signature move is the Force 619!!

 

[Iceman]

her full name is Rey Mysterio and her signature move is the Force 619!!

Haha, I like it!