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One thing I was questioning here was how easily the AT-ATs appeared to be taken out by X-wings. The AT-ATs shouldn't have gone down so easily in this battle because that raises the question if they're so easily taken out by X-wings, why didn't the Rebellion use those against them at the Battle of Hoth instead of the snowspeeders?
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These aren't AT-ATs. These are AT-ACT, which are built not strictly for combat, but also transport. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
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Yep this and this, well said guys. Not that hard to come to these conclusions either
Oh and I was gonna make a post say that without a doubt my favorite endings are this films and New Hope's. The end of this film and the Throne Room for ANH to me are the best. The Throne Room still gives me goosebumps every time.
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Putting the endings in order would be extremely difficult for me. Rogue One's is as fantastic as all 3 of the OT ones and TFA's. The good Star Wars movies always seem to get a boost from a near perfect ending, and Rogue One is no different. But if I had to pick one....
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Yep this and this, well said guys. Not that hard to come to these conclusions either
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The X-wings defending the transport I can buy, but I don't see why the AT-ACTs should be that much weaker than AT-ATs.
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Smaller, compact, stronger, armor as any extra weight can be placed into reinforcing the armor as opposed to being needed for the open cargo space. Also watching the scene in Empire, there is no indication that the canons on the X-wings are significantly stronger then the Snow Speeder's canons. All Luke says is that the armor is too stronger for blasters. Considering once they take an AT-AT down, they can blow it up with blasters, perhaps the weak spots are different.[YT]RayYoDP86iY[/YT]
The X-wings defending the transport I can buy, but I don't see why the AT-ACTs should be that much weaker than AT-ATs.
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Putting the endings in order would be extremely difficult for me. Rogue One's is as fantastic as all 3 of the OT ones and TFA's. The good Star Wars movies always seem to get a boost from a near perfect ending, and Rogue One is no different. But if I had to pick one....
Yeah I love all the OT endings and TFA one as well for sure. It's so tough to pick favorites out of the things I love haha. Just something about The Trone Room ending that gets me, the music and everything going on in the scene. It's cute that TPM tried doing their own version of The Throne Room ending
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The level of detail that they caught in this movie was down right amazing.
Right down to proliferation of 70's porno staches.
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They did that a lot with ships landing and taking off also, like giving it the feel of them kind of just being models in front of green screen moving.
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Yeah I love all the OT endings and TFA one as well for sure. It's so tough to pick favorites out of the things I love haha. Just something about The Trone Room ending that gets me, the music and everything going on in the scene. It's cute that TPM tried doing their own version of The Throne Room ending
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Keira Knightley is in that scene, and Williams score is ridiculously awesome for that. So I allow it!!!
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The fact that the TPM celebration music there is the Emperor's theme done in a major key is definitely a nice touch.
The original throne room music is some of the most triumphant music ever though, that is just some of the most feel-good film music ever. However I will say, the previous 3 Star Wars films now have ended with the Force theme as the very last cue. While it is an amazing timeless theme, but I'm hoping Williams uses something different to close out VIII.
The original throne room music is some of the most triumphant music ever though, that is just some of the most feel-good film music ever. However I will say, the previous 3 Star Wars films now have ended with the Force theme as the very last cue. While it is an amazing timeless theme, but I'm hoping Williams uses something different to close out VIII.
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Finally got to see it this morning. Awesome beautiful film!
And I'm glad to concede I was dead wrong, the Vader "goes to town" scene was there, and awesome!
Although I am glad he was in fact used very sparingly
And I'm glad to concede I was dead wrong, the Vader "goes to town" scene was there, and awesome!
Although I am glad he was in fact used very sparingly
No, it wasn't about him.
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Yeah I love all the OT endings and TFA one as well for sure. It's so tough to pick favorites out of the things I love haha. Just something about The Trone Room ending that gets me, the music and everything going on in the scene. It's cute that TPM tried doing their own version of The Throne Room ending
The way I see it is that Lucas tried to continue the tradition of the movie ending on a shot of the cast posing for a family portrait.
Putting the endings in order would be extremely difficult for me. Rogue One's is as fantastic as all 3 of the OT ones and TFA's. The good Star Wars movies always seem to get a boost from a near perfect ending, and Rogue One is no different. But if I had to pick one....
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My paid off by WB opinion:
Liked:
The first two acts were solid. Nothing special but I liked the first act the most. I liked how they all came together.
K2SO - the best character in the movie.
Chirrut and Baz - these three were the only characters I could really care about. And their deaths were all excellent where I genuinely felt something.
Cinematography - some of those location and planet shots - wow.
Opening scene - The opening scene is great. Apart from THE BLUE ****ING MILK THAT'S IN THE FOREGROUND OF THE KITCHEN THAT'S A REPLICA OF THE LARS HOMESTEAD KITCHEN ON ANOTHER PLANET. Anyway. Krennic's intro is great. I liked Galen. Jyn seemed okay. Great location. Loved the secret rock passage. Set up Krennic very well where I thought he was going to go beyond my expectations but they ****ed that up later on
The Vader scene - not the on the nose setting, but the dialogue between Vader and Krennic was actually very well done. Vader had a sense of character.
"Be careful not to choke on your ambitions." Best line. Vader says a pun and it's wonderful.
The Asteroid Outpost - my favorite location. I wanted to see more of it.
Cassian killing that guy at the outpost - took me aback in a good way where again, I was immediately proven wrong about Cassian's possible blandness where they had potential. I saw the intention with the character, but it wasn't enough.
The expanding of the universe - while I didn't think it was executed as creatively, everything kind of blurred, I liked the effort of these different worlds and not just trying to be familiar like TFA was being. It wasn't just jungle planet, snow planet, desert planet.
Dislikes -
Where to begin? I guess at the beginning. The fundamental bad thing about this movie is the blatant fan service. I didn't think it would go that far, but my God, I actually underestimated it.
The contradictory nature of the opening shot. No opening crawl? Cool. It's different! Cut to a replica of the opening shot of ANH. I just can't.
Jyn Erso - this character has a character. She's an unpredictable fugitive. A rebel of rebels. Very cool idea and the perfect character to lead this job. She had an arc. But it felt rushed. Structurally I think it was fine. First she doesn't want to do it, then does it because father's involved, finds out he's alive, father dies, realizes she has nothing left but the cause and decides to fight. But here it felt unearned and out of nowhere. Maybe it was performance. You know... I think it was. Her falling to the ground and crying and then her suddenly being this cheerful hopeful woman didn't work for me. Jones didn't give a bad performance. Just a ****ing bland one. It was a wash. She was so flat. Just so, so flat. She had no personality. She had lines that showed personality, it just was done in such a Gareth Edwards way I just couldn't get into it. She just makes me appreciate and love Rey more.
Orson Krennic - started out potentially great but all he does is react in a room and marches angrily. Again, I also saw the point to his character. He's a guy who wants more power and wants to prove himself and keeps getting trampled on. Cool. But he hardly does anything. When him and Jyn meet at the end that's the first time they meet in this movie in the present day. There's no emotional pay off.
Same problem with Galen's death. I didn't feel a connection between them at all.
****ing Tarkin - Again, he served a purpose. But I felt like they should have created a whole new character. They crossed a line here. This is pretty symbolic of my entire problem with this franchise. Bending over backwards to bring back a character to fit him for what reason? Because he's popular? That felt like the driving force over his purpose. Again, they bent over backwards to try and justify him with using CGI when an actor has been dead for years. It wasn't bad CGI. It was just distasteful and so distracting because I clearly see Mendelsohn acting against a clear CGI face.
Saw - had his quirks like the Blue Velvet thing but he annoyed me. His death wasn't impactful either.
Worst of all the terrible and blatant fan service. Jesus Christ. The blue milk was bad enough but once I saw Doctor Evezan... guys. Come on. This character happens to be on this planet a few days before ANH and knocks into another protagonist? I wanted to scream.
Cassian Andor - I wanted to love this character. Trying to see and think of ways I could, but it wasn't enough. I love the idea of him. This wore torn veteran who's seen it all and shows the rebellion isn't always right. On the page and the performance (I blame the directing mostly) the character is just kind of personality-less.
Vader's intro - Didn't much care for it. Should have been left in the concept art where it belonged. Enough of recycling ****ing Ralph MacQaurrie. By now I feel like they're gonna run out, so hopefully they can create something new. I loved the tank bit. Makes sense. But I just don't like the idea of a castle for him. It was just so on the nose. I'm watching a scene where Darth Vader is in a black castle on a volcano planet (I guess this was Mustafar? If they said this the scene would have improved slighty, as it would serve a purpose instead of Satan imagery) and he comes out of a door through smoke when his silhouette hits Krennic before we see him. I get it. He's Darth Vader. The coolest villain ever. I get this is from Krennic's point of view who fears Vader. They still could have done that without any of this pageantry.
The third act - this has been said to be the best part of the movie and I disagree. It functions but it devolved into just another space battle at a station. For God's sake, they planted bombs again.
Worst of all, where they steal the plans, it's so unbelievably boring. Rebels on the ground, people who we don't even know are fighting, while better characters die outside too and Jyn and Cassian who have so much chemistry are in a room playing toy claw machine. I thought this was a heist movie??? Where was it? They just disguised themselves, shot their way through and were stuck in a room. Wow. Oh, they had to transmit the plans from above the planet, but what about stealing the plans? You know, the most potentially interesting "how to," the thing this entire idea hinged on?
It's a shame. This will be the only SW film where all the characters will die. And how it happened was just kind of lackluster. The last shot should have been Jyn and Cassian looking into the oncoming explosion, slowly approaching them, but it's still a beautiful sight and there's a victory in it, as bitter sweet as it is. And it would have ended on a more somber note. Something more respectful instead of, "LOOK HOW HOPEFUL IT IS!"
This is when they ****ed the pooch. People actually liked the last few minutes?
Vader's action scene. This ****ing SUCKS. "But he's ****ing **** up and look how badass he is!" Please, shut up. Yeah, I know. Except he's killing people we don't know. "But he's trying to get the plans!" So why in the hell didn't he show up earlier? To you know, try and stop our heroes in the station? That would have made perfect sense. Don't pretend it's not a lesser idea. That's exactly what you use Vader for. ****'s going beyond Krennic's control, Vader will go down to handle it, and he becomes this threat that's trying to stop them. Vader trying to get through to Jyn and Cassian would have made it more intense. Didn't need to be much, but it would have been more effective, and there would be more of an understandable reason for Vader to go on a rampage. Hell, we don't need to see him in that sort of rampage. Vader patiently walking through, maybe trying to figure out a more smart way (maybe when the force fails him... use his mechanic skills in some way) to try to get to them.
That scene felt like it was designed around more around showing a badass Vader scene. Hell, this almost felt like a reshoot.
Then how it all connected or "Bridging the gap!" CG Carrie Fisher looked better but that ending was just so weird. God, the tone of it, the way to bend over backwards to connect just undermined the central story for me. Then it just ended. Like it got the **** out of there. When it ended I was just like, "Oh. Okay." I guess that was a Star Wars movie. It just felt like a flash in the pan type movie.
This is like a 6/10 for me. It wasn't bad. And it wasn't good. Just middling to the point where I couldn't care. Maybe in the future I'll warm up to it more. I'd like to find more things to like, but I don't want to spend more money in the theater to find out. I'll wait for video. People have been saying this is a movie for the fans. What a horrible thing. If these movies are just made by fans for fans, then they've missed the point of SW. This isn't a bad movie. It works in areas, has a solid first two acts, with really great ideas and a cool attempt to expand the universe and not just show Yavin IV. It just wasn't enough. Not when I couldn't care about half the characters when they were showing me that I could when the actors couldn't let me. Not when there's a weak villain and the terrible, blatant fan service just really brought it down.
In 20 years when there's another SW movie, are people really gonna be excited when we hear the name Erso or Andor or Krennic referenced down the line? Probably not. And this story won't be much remembered as fondly. It'll just be known as another SW movie. That's what SW is turning into. And not all of them will be great. Just good. Maybe good that it's good. But as long as we see Darth Vader, Luke, Han and Leia, X-Wings and TIE fighters, I guess that means everything's okay. No need to be objective.
Now I got it over with and I can move onto Episode 8. My only real hope for this franchise.
Liked:
The first two acts were solid. Nothing special but I liked the first act the most. I liked how they all came together.
K2SO - the best character in the movie.
Chirrut and Baz - these three were the only characters I could really care about. And their deaths were all excellent where I genuinely felt something.
Cinematography - some of those location and planet shots - wow.
Opening scene - The opening scene is great. Apart from THE BLUE ****ING MILK THAT'S IN THE FOREGROUND OF THE KITCHEN THAT'S A REPLICA OF THE LARS HOMESTEAD KITCHEN ON ANOTHER PLANET. Anyway. Krennic's intro is great. I liked Galen. Jyn seemed okay. Great location. Loved the secret rock passage. Set up Krennic very well where I thought he was going to go beyond my expectations but they ****ed that up later on
The Vader scene - not the on the nose setting, but the dialogue between Vader and Krennic was actually very well done. Vader had a sense of character.
"Be careful not to choke on your ambitions." Best line. Vader says a pun and it's wonderful.
The Asteroid Outpost - my favorite location. I wanted to see more of it.
Cassian killing that guy at the outpost - took me aback in a good way where again, I was immediately proven wrong about Cassian's possible blandness where they had potential. I saw the intention with the character, but it wasn't enough.
The expanding of the universe - while I didn't think it was executed as creatively, everything kind of blurred, I liked the effort of these different worlds and not just trying to be familiar like TFA was being. It wasn't just jungle planet, snow planet, desert planet.
Dislikes -
Where to begin? I guess at the beginning. The fundamental bad thing about this movie is the blatant fan service. I didn't think it would go that far, but my God, I actually underestimated it.
The contradictory nature of the opening shot. No opening crawl? Cool. It's different! Cut to a replica of the opening shot of ANH. I just can't.
Jyn Erso - this character has a character. She's an unpredictable fugitive. A rebel of rebels. Very cool idea and the perfect character to lead this job. She had an arc. But it felt rushed. Structurally I think it was fine. First she doesn't want to do it, then does it because father's involved, finds out he's alive, father dies, realizes she has nothing left but the cause and decides to fight. But here it felt unearned and out of nowhere. Maybe it was performance. You know... I think it was. Her falling to the ground and crying and then her suddenly being this cheerful hopeful woman didn't work for me. Jones didn't give a bad performance. Just a ****ing bland one. It was a wash. She was so flat. Just so, so flat. She had no personality. She had lines that showed personality, it just was done in such a Gareth Edwards way I just couldn't get into it. She just makes me appreciate and love Rey more.
Orson Krennic - started out potentially great but all he does is react in a room and marches angrily. Again, I also saw the point to his character. He's a guy who wants more power and wants to prove himself and keeps getting trampled on. Cool. But he hardly does anything. When him and Jyn meet at the end that's the first time they meet in this movie in the present day. There's no emotional pay off.
Same problem with Galen's death. I didn't feel a connection between them at all.
****ing Tarkin - Again, he served a purpose. But I felt like they should have created a whole new character. They crossed a line here. This is pretty symbolic of my entire problem with this franchise. Bending over backwards to bring back a character to fit him for what reason? Because he's popular? That felt like the driving force over his purpose. Again, they bent over backwards to try and justify him with using CGI when an actor has been dead for years. It wasn't bad CGI. It was just distasteful and so distracting because I clearly see Mendelsohn acting against a clear CGI face.
Saw - had his quirks like the Blue Velvet thing but he annoyed me. His death wasn't impactful either.
Worst of all the terrible and blatant fan service. Jesus Christ. The blue milk was bad enough but once I saw Doctor Evezan... guys. Come on. This character happens to be on this planet a few days before ANH and knocks into another protagonist? I wanted to scream.
Cassian Andor - I wanted to love this character. Trying to see and think of ways I could, but it wasn't enough. I love the idea of him. This wore torn veteran who's seen it all and shows the rebellion isn't always right. On the page and the performance (I blame the directing mostly) the character is just kind of personality-less.
Vader's intro - Didn't much care for it. Should have been left in the concept art where it belonged. Enough of recycling ****ing Ralph MacQaurrie. By now I feel like they're gonna run out, so hopefully they can create something new. I loved the tank bit. Makes sense. But I just don't like the idea of a castle for him. It was just so on the nose. I'm watching a scene where Darth Vader is in a black castle on a volcano planet (I guess this was Mustafar? If they said this the scene would have improved slighty, as it would serve a purpose instead of Satan imagery) and he comes out of a door through smoke when his silhouette hits Krennic before we see him. I get it. He's Darth Vader. The coolest villain ever. I get this is from Krennic's point of view who fears Vader. They still could have done that without any of this pageantry.
The third act - this has been said to be the best part of the movie and I disagree. It functions but it devolved into just another space battle at a station. For God's sake, they planted bombs again.
Worst of all, where they steal the plans, it's so unbelievably boring. Rebels on the ground, people who we don't even know are fighting, while better characters die outside too and Jyn and Cassian who have so much chemistry are in a room playing toy claw machine. I thought this was a heist movie??? Where was it? They just disguised themselves, shot their way through and were stuck in a room. Wow. Oh, they had to transmit the plans from above the planet, but what about stealing the plans? You know, the most potentially interesting "how to," the thing this entire idea hinged on?
It's a shame. This will be the only SW film where all the characters will die. And how it happened was just kind of lackluster. The last shot should have been Jyn and Cassian looking into the oncoming explosion, slowly approaching them, but it's still a beautiful sight and there's a victory in it, as bitter sweet as it is. And it would have ended on a more somber note. Something more respectful instead of, "LOOK HOW HOPEFUL IT IS!"
This is when they ****ed the pooch. People actually liked the last few minutes?
Vader's action scene. This ****ing SUCKS. "But he's ****ing **** up and look how badass he is!" Please, shut up. Yeah, I know. Except he's killing people we don't know. "But he's trying to get the plans!" So why in the hell didn't he show up earlier? To you know, try and stop our heroes in the station? That would have made perfect sense. Don't pretend it's not a lesser idea. That's exactly what you use Vader for. ****'s going beyond Krennic's control, Vader will go down to handle it, and he becomes this threat that's trying to stop them. Vader trying to get through to Jyn and Cassian would have made it more intense. Didn't need to be much, but it would have been more effective, and there would be more of an understandable reason for Vader to go on a rampage. Hell, we don't need to see him in that sort of rampage. Vader patiently walking through, maybe trying to figure out a more smart way (maybe when the force fails him... use his mechanic skills in some way) to try to get to them.
That scene felt like it was designed around more around showing a badass Vader scene. Hell, this almost felt like a reshoot.
Then how it all connected or "Bridging the gap!" CG Carrie Fisher looked better but that ending was just so weird. God, the tone of it, the way to bend over backwards to connect just undermined the central story for me. Then it just ended. Like it got the **** out of there. When it ended I was just like, "Oh. Okay." I guess that was a Star Wars movie. It just felt like a flash in the pan type movie.
This is like a 6/10 for me. It wasn't bad. And it wasn't good. Just middling to the point where I couldn't care. Maybe in the future I'll warm up to it more. I'd like to find more things to like, but I don't want to spend more money in the theater to find out. I'll wait for video. People have been saying this is a movie for the fans. What a horrible thing. If these movies are just made by fans for fans, then they've missed the point of SW. This isn't a bad movie. It works in areas, has a solid first two acts, with really great ideas and a cool attempt to expand the universe and not just show Yavin IV. It just wasn't enough. Not when I couldn't care about half the characters when they were showing me that I could when the actors couldn't let me. Not when there's a weak villain and the terrible, blatant fan service just really brought it down.
In 20 years when there's another SW movie, are people really gonna be excited when we hear the name Erso or Andor or Krennic referenced down the line? Probably not. And this story won't be much remembered as fondly. It'll just be known as another SW movie. That's what SW is turning into. And not all of them will be great. Just good. Maybe good that it's good. But as long as we see Darth Vader, Luke, Han and Leia, X-Wings and TIE fighters, I guess that means everything's okay. No need to be objective.
Now I got it over with and I can move onto Episode 8. My only real hope for this franchise.
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No offense Doctor Jones, but I feel like you get personally insulted when a movie doesnt live up to your standards. especially when a movie such as Rogue One or Force Awakens gets so much praise. We get it, you dont love it and youre afraid of disney tarnishing it, and thats fine that you think so, but you act like someone hit your child. Relax bud, at the end of the day its just a movie.
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