The Force Awakens General Star Wars Episode VII News/Speculation Thread - Part 2

[ThePhantasm]

I had no idea that BDW was 76...

 

[Solidus]

Live action or cartoons... who the heck knows what they have in mind. I'm open to either, i dont really have a preference. As long as it's Star Wars and interesting, i'm very likely to tune in lol.


Some of the folks from MR are the ones behind eFx, so it's quality stuff from what i gather from the comments. Indeed, i do hope they can expand the line when the new movies come out. I havent bought anything from them, but the comments about their Luke X-Wing alone were extremely positive. Sadly it was too big for my pocket at that time and i didnt buy it, but it looked amazing. They released a Tie Fighter and it's actually shipping to those who pre-ordered it atm, so i'm waiting to see the comments.

I really want good quality with the live action, that's why I'm hoping they do a GOT style approach, 10 episodes a season enough to give more money to each episode and make them epic.

I really want the Millennium Falcon one, it seems they make very few of these things. Hopefully they expand more.

 

[georgec]

Would love to see BDW back with the others.

 

[Brem]

I grew up with the OT and i like the PT. So it isnt a generation thing lol. Heck, some who grew up with the PT dont like them. I think the lines are blurred at this point, and it all comes down to a matter of opinion and personal preference.

At this point i'm really, really trying my best to keep my expectations about anything new SW very low. I have no idea what they're gonna do and i dont want to set myself up for disappointment. I just hope Disney is taking this franchise in a direction i will enjoy.

I'm still bummed about CW though and i found myself wondering: could it be that Disney want to do something to directly enhance (or should i say promote?) what they have planned for the new movies in terms of a tv show, and not so much for the older movies? Which is why there will also be spinoffs to focus on those characters from the older movies that people love. They tend to the old with the spinoffs but focus more on the new with the tv show and episodes VII, VIII and IX *rubs chin deep in thought*

I'll admit while I can't say I grew up with the Original Trilogy in the sense that I grew up with them as the films were released, I was still born in 1988 and I still have the original video tapes I used to watch almost every day, that came before the Special Editions were ever released. And I still love the prequels as much as I love the Original Trilogy. As far as I'm concerned it is Star Wars. I have never had an issue with The Phantom Menace, I would say Attack of the Clones is my favourite Star Wars (Obi-Wan investigating before, during and after Kamino are the highlights for me, as are seeing more of the general populace of Coruscant and the space battle between Obi-Wan and Jango, and much more with Geonosis capping off an exciting film).

I just want to watch Star Wars, and whether I watch the Prequel Trilogy or the Original Trilogy, or both, I get the same enjoyment.

Now, I want to make sure people know I am not making the claim that everyone is like this, but sometimes I get the feeling some people put down the Prequel Trilogy, and hype up the Original Trilogy simply because that's what everyone else does. I saw a comment on a video the other day, it might have been the trailer for Attack of the Clones (I popped my Blu-Ray on for the first time since I got it! Unbelievable!), and they said while they do like the Prequels, obviously Episode V is their favourite. I don't understand why it's obvious. Because everyone says that's their favourite? If you asked me, I'd say as a kid Return of the Jedi was my favourite. Now Attack of the Clones is, followed by Jedi, then by A New Hope, then Empire, Phantom Menace and then Revenge of the Sith. In no order of better to worse, simply from which I would watch first, and which I would pick to watch last. It should never be obvious which of the Star Wars films, or any film, is your favourite. If it were based off which film every else calls their favourite, I think that's the wrong way to go about it.

Anyway, they're my thoughts on the whole "I hate the Prequels!" debate. I love them. I love the Originals. I even enjoy the Special Editions. I love the books, and Clone Wars, the comics and the figures. I love the Lego sets, and have numerous sets spread around my room. I love Star Wars as a whole. I hate when people tell me based on that I'm not a "true" Star Wars fan. But God forbid I just love the franchise as a whole.

Like you though, I'm not getting my hopes up about VII, VIII and IX. I'm looking forward to seeing them, but until we have solid news, and we have trailers and images, and VII is actually a success, I'm apprehensive.

 

[ThePhantasm]

What are these prequels you guys speak of?

 

[Brem]

What are these prequels you guys speak of?

That's exactly what I say when people tell me they did make an Alien 3 and another film called Alien: Resurrection. I still don't believe it, though! t:

 

[James]

I like Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection

 

[Brem]

I like Alien 3 and Alien: Resurrection

And I like the Prequels and the Original Trilogy. t: Maybe now we have brought balance to the Force.

I mean I like what I like. Some people like what they like. I liked Prometheus, some people didn't. I love the Prequels and Original Trilogy. I might dare say I find Indiana Jones 4 watchable.

Although it's more the people who have mocked me in the past for enjoying Star Wars as a whole I'm annoyed with. Not people on this site, but on other sites. From the very few times I have posted here, I have met quite a few like-minded people which was great.

 

[James]

You should post here more often. I like the prequels too, especially ROTS. Gianakin and others are big lovers of Episodes 1-3.

Basically no one should mock anyone (outside of a friendly jest) for things they like, regardless of what it is. I'm not into Twilight, Bieber or Avatar but that's no reason to pick on people who are.

 

[Solidus]

And I like the Prequels and the Original Trilogy. t: Maybe now we have brought balance to the Force.

I mean I like what I like. Some people like what they like. I liked Prometheus, some people didn't. I love the Prequels and Original Trilogy. I might dare say I find Indiana Jones 4 watchable.

Although it's more the people who have mocked me in the past for enjoying Star Wars as a whole I'm annoyed with. Not people on this site, but on other sites. From the very few times I have posted here, I have met quite a few like-minded people which was great.

Well you are putting down a group of people already, saying that there are those that just blindly love something..."because". Or because everyone else says so.

Everyone can have their own opinion. And James....I find that funny because most PT defenders usually just attack the fans on the three criteria that I have said many times in my discussions with PT fans. I have seen this on both side, but as someone on the other end of the fence don't act like it's some one sided thing. Usually the three criteria are:

1. You're just being negative, hence the internet.
2. You're just being nostalgic.
3. The OT is not that great.

Instead of giving me reasons to as why the PT is great on it's own.

On both sides there are monsters that go in extremes, to things like what George Lucas did to their child hood, which is just crazy talk and stupid.

I never have told anyone they are "dumb" or anything like that for their standpoint, just that I find their arguments to be weak hence where I disagree with them. Which is what a forum is all about is discussion of these things. But usually it loops around into the same things.

But don't sit there and say people are just being sheep by liking ESB over all others. There is a reason for that. You may not get it, but on that I will say you are a minority on that which is fine but most fans even PT fans (not all) but most love ESB most. And with justifiable reasons, mainly that it was a well made film, from dialogue, to story to cinematography to acting to directing ect. There is a reason AHN and ESB are in the AFI's best films/Library of Congress as culturally significant films. And I have a feeling that the PT will never enter that level of reverence.

But ya, like what you want, I have strong opinions against the PT. But I don't begrudge those that want to like it. I will argue with them, but I never want to run to their house rip the PT out of their hand and put them in the trash lol. The more you can like the merrier. But just because some don't like some things does not make us some monsters that just go around hating things. Most know me on these forums as an very optimistic guy. Star Wars PT, and Terminator 3/TS are the only things I passionately do not care for, and have strong reasons why. I'm not just the guy that likes to hate things for the fun of it, or to rile people up.

To me the PT hit such a low, it will be easy for the ST to easily surpass them. Michael Ardt is hands over fist a better writer, and JJ a better director. So already I have a feeling Episode VII will be amazing. But again I do find it interesting that most of the people "weary" about the ST are PT enthusiasts. I said this back in November, and it still interests me. I have my own theories on that, but that's not for here.

But one thing is we are all Star Wars fans here, and have a huge future ahead of us. That is what is most important right now.

 

[James]

Everyone can have their own opinion. And James....I find that funny because most PT defenders usually just attack the fans on the three criteria that I have said many times in my discussions with PT fans. I have seen this on both side, but as someone on the other end of the fence don't act like it's some one sided thing. Usually the three criteria are:

1. You're just being negative, hence the internet.
2. You're just being nostalgic.
3. The OT is not that great.

Instead of giving me reasons to as why the PT is great on it's own.

The idea of 'sides' is kind of silly to me. Some people like some stuff, some people like other stuff, why do we feel such a strong urge to turn personal opinions into an argument? Certainly people can discuss the reasons why we like or don't like something but when one person's opinion offends someone else's (at least as far as entertainment goes) something is backwards.

 

[Solidus]

The idea of 'sides' is kind of silly to me. Some people like some stuff, some people like other stuff, why do we feel such a strong urge to turn personal opinions into an argument? Certainly people can discuss the reasons why we like or don't like something but when one person's opinion offends someone else's (at least as far as entertainment goes) something is backwards.

I'm not saying it's personal. There are sides. Some that love it and some that don't. I'm not talking sides of "war" here. It's about discussion, but there are people that share similar opinions on one side or another. Don't try to turn this into something I never was implying.

And if there is ever a day where you see a bunch of people dressed up as Stormtroopers fighting people dressed up as Clonetroopers, run for the hills!!!! The end is nigh!

 

[Bim]

I really want good quality with the live action, that's why I'm hoping they do a GOT style approach, 10 episodes a season enough to give more money to each episode and make them epic.

I really want the Millennium Falcon one, it seems they make very few of these things. Hopefully they expand more.

If it's live action though. It could be animated, but a different era. I'm curious about the LAS Lucas and Co were working on and that even had a bunch of episodes already written, but didnt move forward with because it was expensive. It was set between Episodes III and IV... could Disney be looking into it?

Aah that MF was massive! It was crazy expensive too when it was released, but well worth it from the comments i saw.

I saw a comment on a video the other day, it might have been the trailer for Attack of the Clones (I popped my Blu-Ray on for the first time since I got it! Unbelievable!), and they said while they do like the Prequels, obviously Episode V is their favourite. I don't understand why it's obvious. Because everyone says that's their favourite? If you asked me, I'd say as a kid Return of the Jedi was my favourite. Now Attack of the Clones is, followed by Jedi, then by A New Hope, then Empire, Phantom Menace and then Revenge of the Sith. In no order of better to worse, simply from which I would watch first, and which I would pick to watch last. It should never be obvious which of the Star Wars films, or any film, is your favourite. If it were based off which film every else calls their favourite, I think that's the wrong way to go about it.

I hear ya, my favorite of the originals is A New Hope, and what people find the climax of Empire (I am your father) is the scene that makes me laugh the most because of Mark's reaction. The second he says "That's impossible" i lose it, sorry. I'd love to see alternate takes of that and see if there's one that doesnt make me laugh (still, to this day). Heck, i prefer Revenge over Empire, so i guess in the eyes of some i should be stoned to death or something

Like you though, I'm not getting my hopes up about VII, VIII and IX. I'm looking forward to seeing them, but until we have solid news, and we have trailers and images, and VII is actually a success, I'm apprehensive.

I'm excited it's Star Wars, but i'm even trying to stay unattached to the post Episode VI EU that i've read, just so i dont go in there expecting to see certain characters or storylines. It's a tough job keeping expectations down, but i hope it works lol.

And if there is ever a day where you see a bunch of people dressed up as Stormtroopers fighting people dressed up as Clonetroopers, run for the hills!!!! The end is nigh!

we all know clonetroopers would win anyways. Stormtroopers couldnt even beat ewoks

 

[Solidus]

If it's live action though. It could be animated, but a different era. I'm curious about the LAS Lucas and Co were working on and that even had a bunch of episodes already written, but didnt move forward with because it was expensive. It was set between Episodes III and IV... could Disney be looking into it?

Aah that MF was massive! It was crazy expensive too when it was released, but well worth it from the comments i saw.

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Live action would be awesome, but I wonder if Disney behind it they will have more money to back it? To me any era would be cool but I still have a feeling it will be post Jedi just to merge eventually with the new trilogy.

Just imagine the possitlbities! So many things animated/live they could do. I'm actually getting goosebumps thinking about it. The animated team for TCW is extremely talented, and I would love to see a new era and new awesome characters like Bane. (his voice is the coolest).

What would you think of a post Jedi one?

As for the MF it is awesome. I really hope this team expands. Me and my bro were talking about it, and I know I keep saying it....I want Han's Blaster so bad. And an E11-Blaster Rifle.

You said you bought one of the lightsabers from them yes?

Clonetroopers would win, lol they have better aim. Something happened in those 19 years of the Empire taking over lol.

 

[James]

I'm not saying it's personal. There are sides. Some that love it and some that don't. I'm not talking sides of "war" here. It's about discussion, but there are people that share similar opinions on one side or another. Don't try to turn this into something I never was implying.

And if there is ever a day where you see a bunch of people dressed up as Stormtroopers fighting people dressed up as Clonetroopers, run for the hills!!!! The end is nigh!

Eh, honestly I think we're both misunderstanding each other.

I wasn't trying to indicate that you were implying anything. Nor did I think anything was personal. You said everyone can have their own opinion, I'm agreeing with you. You spoke about sides, and I said the idea is silly -not that they didn't exist.

You said it's about discussion -well, that's exactly what I said in my response. If I wasn't clear enough, I apologize. All I was trying to get at, is that taking sides is silly and getting upset by another person's opinion equally so.

 

[Brem]

You should post here more often. I like the prequels too, especially ROTS. Gianakin and others are big lovers of Episodes 1-3.

Basically no one should mock anyone (outside of a friendly jest) for things they like, regardless of what it is. I'm not into Twilight, Bieber or Avatar but that's no reason to pick on people who are.

Pretty much, man. I'm not a fan of many things, and if I'm not a fan of something I just ignore it. It's a shame because I can't remember who it was who I spoke to about the Prequels, but it was before they announced Episode VII, so it was a bit back now.

But I know Bim was one, which is why I replied to their post. t: And you're one as well, so that's awesome as well.

Well you are putting down a group of people already, saying that there are those that just blindly love something..."because". Or because everyone else says so.

Well, actually no, I'm not really putting anyone down. I specifically said that I don't want anyone to believe that I am claiming everyone was like that in the first place, but it isn't uncommon for some people to like a film or a film series simply because that film or series is popular that the time. It is not obvious that someone will say Episode V is their favourite of the saga. That's like me saying it's obvious that Last Crusade is my favourite Indiana Jones. You wouldn't have known that had I not told you.

But, if you want to believe I'm putting them down, be my guest but we're not going to have an argument about it. But had I wanted to put them down, I would have outright insulted them. But that's not in my nature, and I don't really care what they do overall. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but sometimes I get the impression some people don't always openly admit their opinion because of the way people react to the Prequels.

I hear ya, my favorite of the originals is A New Hope, and what people find the climax of Empire (I am your father) is the scene that makes me laugh the most because of Mark's reaction. The second he says "That's impossible" i lose it, sorry. I'd love to see alternate takes of that and see if there's one that doesnt make me laugh (still, to this day). Heck, i prefer Revenge over Empire, so i guess in the eyes of some i should be stoned to death or something


I'm excited it's Star Wars, but i'm even trying to stay unattached to the post Episode VI EU that i've read, just so i dont go in there expecting to see certain characters or storylines. It's a tough job keeping expectations down, but i hope it works lol.

Ha ha. It's possible. I had the audacity once to say I don't mind the Special Editions (I can live without some additions though). I swear had they had the chance, they'd have grabbed pitch forks and torches and chased me through the streets. I have to admit though, in all the years I've spoken to people about Star Wars, nobody has ever said they found that scene funny. You get a thumbs up for that one.

I have to admit, I do like Revenge a little more than Empire myself (although I would choose to watch Empire before it). My only issue with it is that after Attack of the Clones, and Yoda says "Begun the Clone War has.", I was so excited to see the war and see the battles, and see this grand finale. We did get a grand finale, but I had hoped we would see a little more of the war, and how that effected the people. Like when we saw Dex's Diner in Attack, and we saw the lower streets of Coruscant. But I understand the need to keep the story moving, and Attack was all about that mystery as opposed to winding down the war.

t: And when those first trailers are released, I don't think any of us will be able to contain our excitement. I'm very pessimistic about it, but I know that first trailer will be my breaking point.

 

[Solidus]

Eh, honestly I think we're both misunderstanding each other.

I wasn't trying to indicate that you were implying anything. Nor did I think anything was personal. You said everyone can have their own opinion, I'm agreeing with you. You spoke about sides, and I said the idea is silly -not that they didn't exist.

You said it's about discussion -well, that's exactly what I said in my response. If I wasn't clear enough, I apologize. All I was trying to get at, is that taking sides is silly and getting upset by another person's opinion equally so.

Understood no harm done.

Pretty much, man. I'm not a fan of many things, and if I'm not a fan of something I just ignore it. It's a shame because I can't remember who it was who I spoke to about the Prequels, but it was before they announced Episode VII, so it was a bit back now.

But I know Bim was one, which is why I replied to their post. t: And you're one as well, so that's awesome as well.



Well, actually no, I'm not really putting anyone down. I specifically said that I don't want anyone to believe that I am claiming everyone was like that in the first place, but it isn't uncommon for some people to like a film or a film series simply because that film or series is popular that the time. It is not obvious that someone will say Episode V is their favourite of the saga. That's like me saying it's obvious that Last Crusade is my favourite Indiana Jones. You wouldn't have known that had I not told you.

But, if you want to believe I'm putting them down, be my guest but we're not going to have an argument about it. But had I wanted to put them down, I would have outright insulted them. But that's not in my nature, and I don't really care what they do overall. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but sometimes I get the impression some people don't always openly admit their opinion because of the way people react to the Prequels.

And that is fair. The only thing I will say is that I don't think all PT enthusiast openly admit their opinions either just because it is Star Wars. But like we said there are extremes on both sides. but I think it is pretty obvious that a lot do love ESB, all? No. Just like most prefer Raiders the most. Do I mean 100% of the population? No. But some films get more love then others, like TDK gets more love then BB/TDKR Or Spidey 2 ect. Some films are just held up by more and to me usually with good reason.

If that's not what you meant, that fair enough. But I get the impression the other way around (about fans and their opinions I mean), so I guess that is where we will stand.

 

[smallville fan]

What do people say about Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson wanting to be in Star Wars Episode VII?? I'd stop taking the movie seriously if he was a Jedi but maybe as a Mandalorian Warrior?

 

[Doc Ock]

I like Dwayne Johnson, I think he is actually a good action actor. But I don't see him in Star Wars...in any way. I'd love to be proved wrong though.

 

[Brem]

And that is fair. The only thing I will say is that I don't think all PT enthusiast openly admit their opinions either just because it is Star Wars. But like we said there are extremes on both sides. but I think it is pretty obvious that a lot do love ESB, all? No. Just like most prefer Raiders the most. Do I mean 100% of the population? No. But some films get more love then others, like TDK gets more love then BB/TDKR Or Spidey 2 ect. Some films are just held up by more and to me usually with good reason.

If that's not what you meant, that fair enough. But I get the impression the other way around (about fans and their opinions I mean), so I guess that is where we will stand.

See, I have never implied there aren't extremes on both sides. I will always agree that often both sides can be just as bad as each other. But like I said, I rarely post here and I tend to avoid threads about Star Wars on other sides, because you know it will just turn into a debate over which Trilogy is the best. I'm simply basing this off my experiences and the reactions I have received to which of the films I have at the top of my list.

And I don't think it's obvious, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I'm just not convinced some people say Empire is their favourite because it is genuinely their favourite, but rather peer pressure. But that's just me.

 

[James]

What do people say about Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson wanting to be in Star Wars Episode VII?? I'd stop taking the movie seriously if he was a Jedi but maybe as a Mandalorian Warrior?

I like him too, in less serious roles. He's very good at tongue and cheek, generally being goofy. Fast Five was worth watching for his performance alone because you could tell he knew the movie was having a whole mess of fun. In serious roles though, not so much. With that in mind I think he could probably work in Star Wars as non-human of some sort. Maybe even a bounty hunter, but definitely not as a Jedi or similarly prominent role.

Better still, it'd be nice to see him in one of the stand-alone films rather than the core trilogy.

 

[georgec]

I think anyone publicly asking to be in the movie, not including actors from previous films who say they'd be open to reprising their roles, should be excluded.

 

[Solidus]

See, I have never implied there aren't extremes on both sides. I will always agree that often both sides can be just as bad as each other. But like I said, I rarely post here and I tend to avoid threads about Star Wars on other sides, because you know it will just turn into a debate over which Trilogy is the best. I'm simply basing this off my experiences and the reactions I have received to which of the films I have at the top of my list.

And I don't think it's obvious, so we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I'm just not convinced some people say Empire is their favourite because it is genuinely their favourite, but rather peer pressure. But that's just me.

Ya I think so lol. There is a difference of peer pressure, and just better made film (to a persons eyes). You could say that it's peer pressure that people like Alien and Aliens over the others (which most do prefer the original 2). But the reason has nothing to do with that. It has to do with quality of film. But I guess you can make that stance if you want. As I think some like the PT just because it's Star Wars. I kinda felt it was peer pressure when the PT came out to like it. I remember I felt if I said I hated it I was going to be ridiculed. Not by just fans but by friends that I had hyped up the films to. Years later I finally let go of that and just admitted how I felt. And many others have admitted that over the years too, some even on these forums.

And I've never cared for The Rock. He would not fit in this universe at all. I've just never cared for his acting.

 

[James]

I think anyone publicly asking to be in the movie, not including actors from previous films who say they'd be open to reprising their roles, should be excluded.

Heh!

But can you blame them? If I were an actor and the news "New Star Wars Movies!" hit my (assistant's) desk, I'd be clamoring for a role too. I mean it doesn't matter what part you play or even if you have any lines, at the very least you'll get an action figure out of the deal!

 

[georgec]

Yea I get why they're doing it, but it just comes off as desperate.

I say if they're really interested they should record their own version of the "Star Wars kid" video and submit it to Disney.