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November Rain

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ALright editing wise from the trailers we know that the symbiote climbs up onto parker right

we also see his eye opening just before being engulfed.

This indicates that shot would be the end of that scene.

We also know from that shot of parker handing upside down that he seems a lil dazed and confused as to how he reached his destination.

This scene marks the beginning of another scene but doesn't directly give the impression it comes right after the 'eye opening, symbiote engulfing' one.


now in the 90s cartoon, they used a methaphoric dream sequence to fill in the gap between spidey's first attachment to the symbiote on the bed and seeing himself hanging upside down for the first time.

for those of you that think that sandman isn't uncle ben's killer, do you think this space is the perfect time for a symbiote perceptioning altering dream sequence to take place?

or do you think it may be used for something else, like a scene with harry or something along those lines.
 
I dont see anything wrong with Pete being engulfed by the symbiot whilst he's in bed and then comin to, hanging upside down from the side of a building. It can easily work and theres no need for additional scenes between the 2 shots.
 
November Rain said:
ALright editing wise from the trailers we know that the symbiote climbs up onto parker right

we also see his eye opening just before being engulfed.

This indicates that shot would be the end of that scene.

We also know from that shot of parker handing upside down that he seems a lil dazed and confused as to how he reached his destination.

This scene marks the beginning of another scene but doesn't directly give the impression it comes right after the 'eye opening, symbiote engulfing' one.


now in the 90s cartoon, they used a methaphoric dream sequence to fill in the gap between spidey's first attachment to the symbiote on the bed and seeing himself hanging upside down for the first time.

for those of you that think that sandman isn't uncle ben's killer, do you think this space is the perfect time for a symbiote perceptioning altering dream sequence to take place?

or do you think it may be used for something else, like a scene with harry or something along those lines.
i thought about that. i think it could work.
 
Mr 7000+ said:
I dont see anything wrong with Pete being engulfed by the symbiot whilst he's in bed and then comin to, hanging upside down from the side of a building. It can easily work and theres no need for additional scenes between the 2 shots.

I agree.
 
but they don't fit as they are.


besides why would they show us info from scenes in quick sucession to one another?
 
It could play out like this.

Peter is lying on his bed, the symbiot creeps up onto him and then it slowly spreads, Peter awakens but cant move. Shocked, he looks at whats happening to him and then slowly passes out just before the symbiot covers his face. We now see Peter in the symbiot costume hanging upside down and as the camera pans around so we can see his mask, we can tell he's only just waking up and that this costume he's wearing is unfamiliar and how in the hell did he get to where he is.

Simple no?
 
Mr 7000+ said:
It could play out like this.

Peter is lying on his bed, the symbiot creeps up onto him and then it slowly spreads, Peter awakens but cant move. Shocked, he looks at whats happening to him and then slowly passes out just before the symbiot covers his face. We now see Peter in the symbiot costume hanging upside down and as the camera pans around so we can see his mask, we can tell he's only just waking up and that this costume he's wearing is unfamiliar and how in the hell did he get to where he is.

Simple no?
well from evidence from both spiderman 1 and 2, Raimi generally breaks up transformation scenes.

he broke up spidey's, Goblin's and also ock's so it gives me reason to believe it won't follow in that continuity, especially since the source material he is basing it from also breaks it up...

more than likely he'll break up venom's, harry's and also sandman's as well.

it is simple but i feel unlikely. Again it's only my opinion but i have evidence to justify it.

Do you have any for yours?
 
Mr 7000+ said:
I dont see anything wrong with Pete being engulfed by the symbiot whilst he's in bed and then comin to, hanging upside down from the side of a building. It can easily work and theres no need for additional scenes between the 2 shots.
agreed, thats what i think also.
 
November Rain said:
well from evidence from both spiderman 1 and 2, Raimi generally breaks up transformation scenes.

he broke up spidey's, Goblin's and also ock's so it gives me reason to believe it won't follow in that continuity, especially since the source material he is basing it from also breaks it up...

more than likely he'll break up venom's, harry's and also sandman's as well.

it is simple but i feel unlikely. Again it's only my opinion but i have evidence to justify it.

Do you have any for yours?

Does it matter?? Evidence or no evidence, who really cares?? Its not a big deal. Besides, even if Raimi did break up the transformations whats stopping him from taking a different approach? And if memory serves me correctly, wsn't Norman's transformation in 1 scene? He goes into that experimental cubicle, gas gets released and then bang, he's the goblin. The description I gave earlier of how Pete ending up on the side of a building is simple and good enough for me and others, again, its no big deal.
 
the thing is your scenario is pretty much EXACTLY how it's done in the trailer.

about a minute in,you can see, it doesn't quite fit., as if there should be something inbetween those scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7z-7gGX7A

as for norman's transformation, i don't believe he's the goblin till he kills those people at the test sight but that's no biggie.

I know you say it feels right but why would a trailer play out and join two scenes exactly like in the film and secondly, can you see that the meshing of those scenes directly does not give a sense of confusion and time displacement that parker would be feeling. This time factor is hard to show since both scenes takes place at night time (or at least when its dark and you can use the reasoning of seeing thunder outside parker's room when the symbiote jumps on him (which brings up another point about the changing of weather scenarios between scenes but i will leave that one to one side). If you want to bring up norman's abduction of spidey which had two scenes with a time lag played directly after one another, they manage to use the change from daytime to nightime to portray this, which isn't possible for this one.

there are just some heavy suggestments something is between and i was really asking peeps to think as to what that scene may be.

If you believe those scenes follow each other in sequence, than fair enough.
 
November Rain said:
the thing is your scenario is pretty much EXACTLY how it's done in the trailer.

about a minute in,you can see, it doesn't quite fit., as if there should be something inbetween those scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7z-7gGX7A

as for norman's transformation, i don't believe he's the goblin till he kills those people at the test sight but that's no biggie.

I know you say it feels right but why would a trailer play out and join two scenes exactly like in the film and secondly, can you see that the meshing of those scenes directly does not give a sense of confusion and time displacement that parker would be feeling. This time factor is hard to show since both scenes takes place at night time (or at least when its dark and you can use the reasoning of seeing thunder outside parker's room when the symbiote jumps on him (which brings up another point about the changing of weather scenarios between scenes but i will leave that one to one side). If you want to bring up norman's abduction of spidey which had two scenes with a time lag played directly after one another, they manage to use the change from daytime to nightime to portray this, which isn't possible for this one.

there are just some heavy suggestments something is between and i was really asking peeps to think as to what that scene may be.

If you believe those scenes follow each other in sequence, than fair enough.
the symbiote covers peter while hes sleeping then peter wakes up upside dowwn, there is nothing in between:yay:.
 
spidermanhero12 said:
the symbiote covers peter while hes sleeping then peter wakes up upside dowwn, there is nothing in between:yay:.
woooooooooooow. where did you get that?
 
November Rain said:
the thing is your scenario is pretty much EXACTLY how it's done in the trailer.

about a minute in,you can see, it doesn't quite fit., as if there should be something inbetween those scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7z-7gGX7A

as for norman's transformation, i don't believe he's the goblin till he kills those people at the test sight but that's no biggie.

I know you say it feels right but why would a trailer play out and join two scenes exactly like in the film and secondly, can you see that the meshing of those scenes directly does not give a sense of confusion and time displacement that parker would be feeling. This time factor is hard to show since both scenes takes place at night time (or at least when its dark and you can use the reasoning of seeing thunder outside parker's room when the symbiote jumps on him (which brings up another point about the changing of weather scenarios between scenes but i will leave that one to one side). If you want to bring up norman's abduction of spidey which had two scenes with a time lag played directly after one another, they manage to use the change from daytime to nightime to portray this, which isn't possible for this one.

there are just some heavy suggestments something is between and i was really asking peeps to think as to what that scene may be.

If you believe those scenes follow each other in sequence, than fair enough.

The trailer doesn't show the symbiot fully covering peter, all it shows is that the symbiot is about to bond with him and take over. So really, we dont know the exact details of what else may happen in that scene.
My description is just a guess of what I wouldn't mind seeing and if they did take that route, it'll flow perfectly. In short my point is, there isn't any need for additional scenes to break up the shots of peter in his bed and hanging from the side of the building. Remember, what you saw were brief flashes from the trailer and not the exact scenes in its entirety.

As for Norman, the moment he regained consciousness from the experiment was the moment he became Goblin and he did kill Stromm if I remember.
 
Mr 7000+ said:
The trailer doesn't show the symbiot fully covering peter, all it shows is that the symbiot is about to bond with him and take over. So really, we dont know the exact details of what else may happen in that scene.
My description is just a guess of what I wouldn't mind seeing and if they did take that route, it'll flow perfectly. In short my point is, there isn't any need for additional scenes to break up the shots of peter in his bed and hanging from the side of the building. Remember, what you saw were brief flashes from the trailer and not the exact scenes in its entirety.

As for Norman, the moment he regained consciousness from the experiment was the moment he became Goblin and he did kill Stromm if I remember.
i doubt there is a scene in between, the symbiote covers peter, then peter wakes up upside down, if there was an in between scene, they would have probably showed it in the trailer.
 
spidermanhero12 said:
i doubt there is a scene in between, the symbiote covers peter, then peter wakes up upside down, if there was an in between scene, they would have probably showed it in the trailer.
i know that sony shows a lot. but is there a rule that everything is in the trailer?
 
Spidermanhero, you're funny...


I personally don't care if it fades out from Parker getting covered to another scene or dream, and then comes back to him when he wakes, I guess I just trust Raimi...
 
im with november rain on this one, the way it is in the trailer wouldnt fit in the actual movie. the shot of the symbiot going near his eye as he wakes up to hanging upside down would be really poor filmaking. heres hoping for a dream sequence. the uncle ben/sandman dream at that point sounded cool at first, but that would leave the viewer knowing that sandman isnt really guilty, which i think should be the twist to the twist
 
Does it really matter what the sequence is going to be like? Eventually he will be hanging upside down. If he has a dream sequence in between that would be pretty cool. If not, In Raimi I Trust
 
Venomfan said:
im with november rain on this one, the way it is in the trailer wouldnt fit in the actual movie. the shot of the symbiot going near his eye as he wakes up to hanging upside down would be really poor filmaking. heres hoping for a dream sequence. the uncle ben/sandman dream at that point sounded cool at first, but that would leave the viewer knowing that sandman isnt really guilty, which i think should be the twist to the twist
why? peter is obssesed that sandman killed hes uncle. he just dreams how it happened. this would not show that eh is not the killer.
 
Mr 7000+ said:
It could play out like this.

Peter is lying on his bed, the symbiot creeps up onto him and then it slowly spreads, Peter awakens but cant move. Shocked, he looks at whats happening to him and then slowly passes out just before the symbiot covers his face. We now see Peter in the symbiot costume hanging upside down and as the camera pans around so we can see his mask, we can tell he's only just waking up and that this costume he's wearing is unfamiliar and how in the hell did he get to where he is.

Simple no?
More or less, that is probably what's going to happen since thats pretty much what the script summary said. There probably won't be any hallucination.
 
November Rain said:
ALright editing wise from the trailers we know that the symbiote climbs up onto parker right

we also see his eye opening just before being engulfed.

This indicates that shot would be the end of that scene.

We also know from that shot of parker handing upside down that he seems a lil dazed and confused as to how he reached his destination.

This scene marks the beginning of another scene but doesn't directly give the impression it comes right after the 'eye opening, symbiote engulfing' one.


now in the 90s cartoon, they used a methaphoric dream sequence to fill in the gap between spidey's first attachment to the symbiote on the bed and seeing himself hanging upside down for the first time.

for those of you that think that sandman isn't uncle ben's killer, do you think this space is the perfect time for a symbiote perceptioning altering dream sequence to take place?

or do you think it may be used for something else, like a scene with harry or something along those lines.

no it really couldn't work. If the symbiote were to conjure up this "dream" at all, it would be a HUGE twist to the movie. You couldn't go from symbiote covering up spider-man's eye to him in the police station talking to stacy. The audience would be like WTF?

The only way they could pull that off and be "twisty" would be if a third of the movie was a dream, which sounds very unspider-man ish. A dream where he finds himself w/ the suit, walks around does his good/evil thing finds out about sandman, only to "wake up" and then fight sandman.

I really don't think so.
 
November Rain said:
the thing is your scenario is pretty much EXACTLY how it's done in the trailer.

about a minute in,you can see, it doesn't quite fit., as if there should be something inbetween those scenes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ7z-7gGX7A

as for norman's transformation, i don't believe he's the goblin till he kills those people at the test sight but that's no biggie.

I know you say it feels right but why would a trailer play out and join two scenes exactly like in the film and secondly, can you see that the meshing of those scenes directly does not give a sense of confusion and time displacement that parker would be feeling. This time factor is hard to show since both scenes takes place at night time (or at least when its dark and you can use the reasoning of seeing thunder outside parker's room when the symbiote jumps on him (which brings up another point about the changing of weather scenarios between scenes but i will leave that one to one side). If you want to bring up norman's abduction of spidey which had two scenes with a time lag played directly after one another, they manage to use the change from daytime to nightime to portray this, which isn't possible for this one.

there are just some heavy suggestments something is between and i was really asking peeps to think as to what that scene may be.

If you believe those scenes follow each other in sequence, than fair enough.

yes the transformation will be interupted by another scene. Symbolically, probably aunt may or mary jane sensing that something is wrong somwhere.

I would like to have it where there is an evil figure flying around beating up robbers in the night "bloody lips broken noses, etc" YOu obviously don't get to see who it is, but we can mistake it for something evil.

then later on spidey wakes up on the side of a building, having been the one responsible for brutally beeting up the burglars who will appear in "tomorrows" headline.

At least that's how I'd do it.
 
I don't think this scene is a big problem.

Maybe...just maybe...when the symbiote latches onto his hand first, it TURNS INTO a dream, making Parker think it's going to kill him, hence why he opens his eyes and takes in a big breath when it covers his face, THEN we see him awake on the side of the building in nice new black duds.

So maybe it starts out as real, turning into a dream, and then real again.

That'd be kinda cool actually.


CAH
 
This is an interesting theory. A dream sequence (a la the 90's series) before hanging upside down in the symbiote suit, it would be interesting indeed. It could be a Sandman/Ben dream. But then there's the famous Summary/Q & A.
 
Visionary said:
This is an interesting theory. A dream sequence (a la the 90's series) before hanging upside down in the symbiote suit, it would be interesting indeed. It could be a Sandman/Ben dream. But then there's the famous Summary/Q & A.

I like that idea. Assuming the sybiote finds Spidey after he gets his rump beaten, it could've caused the dream to add fuel to the fire.
 

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