GI Joe movie thoughts

[jrpstarwars]

I'd say it matters a great deal. It's a part that requires the actor to convey emotion and feeling with no facial expressions or speaking whatsoever. And since Snake Eyes has alot of psychological and emotional layers to him, that would especially hard. You need a fine kind of actor for that.





....interesting. Not sure how I'd feel about it, really. While I love Bruce Cambell, there are others better suited for the role. Really, Bruce just doesn't strike me like a complete loser who went crazy and mebcame a fanatical, stone cold killer vigilante/political extremist.

Well put on both points. I couldn't agree more. Both these actors should be names, imo, also. I have two very suitable candidates in mind.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Prior to Batman no one knew who in the hell christian bale was. Same thing with Jackman in X-Men. McGuire was known but not as well known as Dunst. As for Mckellan and Stewart, Berry was and still is a bigger name. Stewart may have been well known but who saw this movie to see Patrik Stewart? At least one less person than saw it to see Halle Berry. Only a Trekkie would go see this for Stewart over Berry.

I doubt it, I truly doubt it...unless you had a huge Bullworth or Dorothy Dandridge (HBO original movie) fan in the audience. She was a relative unknown when they cast her in X-Men...with the exception of McKellen and Stewart, almost the entire cast was. All of Berry's drawing power came post-X-Men. Swordfish, Monster's Ball, and Die Another Day were all after the fact and really where she solidified her popularity.

As for Holmes, unless the action movie crowd is really really into Daweson's Creek (which is not nearly as popular as a show like Law & Order )...which they aren't...they didn't care. And much like Berry, Holmes was opennly bashed and criticised as being the low point of the film and being unqualified for her role. If anything Berry and Holmes kept people out of the theatre. One critic was even quoted as saying "Storm new mutant power must be the inability to act". While no such criticisms were landed on any of the other actors.

Bale was far more well established with cult favorites like Equilibrium, and American Psycho. And of course Patrick Stewart headed the fan favorite show "Star Wars, the Next Generation"...and that show is bound to bring in an audience to a Sci-fi/comic/action geekfest like X-Men.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Another example of bigger name actresses being needed for comic book films is Fantastic 4 w/ Jessica Alba. Granted, not a huge name but a much bigger one than Hargitay.

I'd say you grossly underestimate Hargitay as a "name". As if being the star of the biggest drama on television doesn't make you a "name".

 

[jrpstarwars]

I doubt it, I truly doubt it...unless you had a huge Bullworth or Dorothy Dandridge (HBO original movie) fan in the audience. She was a relative unknown when they cast her in X-Men...with the exception of McKellen and Stewart, almost the entire cast was. All of Berry's drawing power came post-X-Men. Swordfish, Monster's Ball, and Die Another Day were all after the fact and really where she solidified her popularity.

As for Holmes, unless the action movie crowd is really really into Daweson's Creek (which is not nearly as popular as a show like Law & Order )...which they aren't...they didn't care. And much like Berry, Holmes was opennly bashed and criticised as being the low point of the film and being unqualified for her role. If anything Berry and Holmes kept people out of the theatre. One critic was even quoted as saying "Storm new mutant power must be the inability to act". While no such criticisms were landed on any of the other actors.

Bale was far more well established with cult favorites like Equilibrium, and American Psycho. And of course Patrick Stewart headed the fan favorite show "Star Wars, the Next Generation"...and that show is bound to bring in an audience to a Sci-fi/comic/action geekfest like X-Men.

Any guy 15 - 25 at that time knew who Halle Berry was. Aside from being a known name in her own right she was married to one of the biggest names in baseball at the time, David Justice. How many 15 -25 year olds know who Marisa Hargitay is??? Not as many as knew Halle Berry, I will damn near garauntee it.

 

[The Question]

Well put on both points. I couldn't agree more. Both these actors should be names, imo, also. I have two very suitable candidates in mind.

I don't think how well known the actor is is that important at all. As long as they're talanted and fit the role, I'm fine.

 

[jrpstarwars]

I don't think how well known the actor is is that important at all. As long as they're talanted and fit the role, I'm fine.

You really think there is a wide spectrum for actor's talent? Maybe for stagework but you have so many ways to make a bad actor look good on film. The actors performance is the least important part to making him/her look good. With that said, G.I. Joe should go for the jugular - all star cast.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Any guy 15 - 25 at that time knew who Halle Berry was. Aside from being a known name in her own right she was married to one of the biggest names in baseball at the time, David Justice. How many 15 -25 year olds know who Marisa Hargitay is??? Not as many as knew Halle Berry, I will damn near garauntee it.

She was not a "known name" until she did X-Men, which was her first major film. Name one big film she did prior to X-Men franchise. In fact here is her "star studded" list.

Introducing Dorothy Dandridge (1999) (TV) .... Dorothy Dandridge
... aka Face of an Angel (UK: DVD title)
Why Do Fools Fall in Love (1998) .... Zola Taylor
Bulworth (1998) .... Nina
"Frasier" .... Betsy (1 episode, 1998)
- Room Service (1998) TV Episode (voice) .... Betsy
The Wedding (1998) (TV) .... Shelby Coles
... aka Oprah Winfrey Presents: The Wedding
"Mad TV" .... Host (1 episode, 1998)
- Episode #3.12 (1998) TV Episode .... Host
B*A*P*S (1997) .... Nisi
... aka B.A.P.S.
The Rich Man's Wife (1996) .... Josie Potenza
Race the Sun (1996) .... Miss Sandra Beecher
Executive Decision (1996) .... Jean, Flight Attendant
Losing Isaiah (1995) .... Khaila Richards
Solomon & Sheba (1995) (TV) .... Nikhaule/Queen Sheba
The Flintstones (1994) .... Rosetta Stone
The Program (1993) .... Autumn Haley
Father Hood (1993) .... Kathleen Mercer
... aka Desperado
... aka Honor Among Thieves
... aka Mike Hardy
"Queen" (1993) (mini) TV Series .... Queen
... aka Alex Haley's Queen
Boomerang (1992) .... Angela Lewis
"Knots Landing" (1979) TV Series .... Debbie Porter (unknown episodes, 1991)
The Last Boy Scout (1991) .... Cory
Strictly Business (1991) .... Natalie
Jungle Fever (1991) .... Vivian
"They Came from Outer Space" .... Rene (1 episode, 1991)
- Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow (1991) TV Episode .... Rene
"A Different World" .... Jaclyn (1 episode, 1991)
- Love, Hillman-Style (1991) TV Episode .... Jaclyn
"Amen" .... Claire (1 episode, 1991)
- Unforgettable (1991) TV Episode .... Claire


"Living Dolls" (1989) TV Series .... Emily Franklin (unknown episodes, 1989)

Yeah, everyone knew her...that's why she only had small films and small roles to her credit.

 

[The Question]

You really think there is a wide spectrum for actor's talent?

What exactly do you mean?

Maybe for stagework but you have so many ways to make a bad actor look good on film. The actors performance is the least important part to making him/her look good. With that said, G.I. Joe should go for the jugular - all star cast.

And with that said, I must say that I think that not only is an all star cast unnecessairy, but I completely disagree with what you said about preformances. The actor's preformance is the most important part. It's what they're payed to be in the film for. As long as they get actors who fit the roles and play them well, then that's all that matters.

 

[jrpstarwars]

What exactly do you mean?



And with that said, I must say that I think that not only is an all star cast unnecessairy, but I completely disagree with what you said about preformances. The actor's preformance is the most important part. It's what they're payed to be in the film for. As long as they get actors who fit the roles and play them well, then that's all that matters.

Acting is not brain surgery. The script, the director, lighting, make-up, sound, props, etc. all make the actor look good or look bad. How would an actor look without all those aspects... just like you or me.

 

[jrpstarwars]

She was not a "known name" until she did X-Men, which was her first major film. Name one big film she did prior to X-Men franchise. In fact here is her "star studded" list.


Yeah, everyone knew her...that's why she only had small films and small roles to her credit.

Sex appeal son, that's how everyone knew her. As for her roles, their are less available roles for black women - especially leading roles.

People were looking forward to seeing her t&a. I doubt there are as many lined up to see Hargitay's.

 

[The Question]

Acting is not brain surgery. The script, the director, lighting, make-up, sound, props, etc. all make the actor look good or look bad. How would an actor look without all those aspects... just like you or me.

That's complete bull****. By that logic, anyone could be an actor. Which is not true at all. Acting takes talant. Great acting takes alot of talant.

 

[jrpstarwars]

That's complete bull****. By that logic, anyone could be an actor. Which is not true at all. Acting takes talant. Great acting takes alot of talant.

True, but films of today do not have actors. Stage is the only place you can go to see acting.

We don't care about that, that's why we go to the movies with the special effects, and the make up, and the c.g.i..

 

[ShadowBoxing]

You really think there is a wide spectrum for actor's talent? Maybe for stagework but you have so many ways to make a bad actor look good on film. The actors performance is the least important part to making him/her look good. With that said, G.I. Joe should go for the jugular - all star cast.

All star casts are the last thing you want for ensemble movies with "name" titles. X-Men went for small actors who fit the roles, it's biggest name draws being Stewart and perhaps McKellen who were already well known amongst the community most excited about the film. Big actors step on eachothers toes. There are very few movies that accomplish all star casts, such as Ocean's Eleven which essentially is written to have big names as it's a who's who showcase film. G.I.Joe is a story driven movie that has to equally space screen time out among 3 or 4 mainstays and 3 or 4 supporting on both sides. That means setting your sights a little lower when casting the movie. Probably one name draw, with a cast of otherwise relative unknowns. I would suggest Duke be the name actor...if not him then Snake Eyes. The rest is finding actors who fit the roles, and that is not easy.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

True, but films of today do not have actors.

Departed and Memento and Batman Begins and The Fountain didn't have actors . That's news to me. I fact I believe we have a rather large awards show called the Oscars which celebrates acting and art in films...I could be wrong.

Stage is the only place you can go to see acting.

Incorrect.

We don't care about that, that's why we go to the movies with the special effects, and the make up, and the c.g.i..

Really? Again news to me. You know what movie has great CGI and special effects, the Island. Do you know most people absolutely hate that film, and for good reason...it was poorly acted, scripted and directed. Do you know what else is routinely looked down upon, Crank....which last time I checked qualifies as a movie with great special effects.

In fact Batman Begins, LOTR, X-Men 1 & 2, and Star Wars are all heralded for their acting...and in large part is why they are so popular.

 

[The Question]

True, but films of today do not have actors. Stage is the only place you can go to see acting.

That's not true at all.

We don't care about that, that's why we go to the movies with the special effects, and the make up, and the c.g.i..

You might, but I don't.

 

[The Question]

You know what movie has great CGI and special effects, the Island. Do you know most people absolutely hate that film, and for good reason...it was poorly acted, scripted and directed.

....I rather liked The Island.

 

[3dman27]

could we get back to discussing the joes

 

[jrpstarwars]

Departed and Memento and Batman Begins and The Fountain didn't have actors . That's news to me. I fact I believe we have a rather large awards show called the Oscars which celebrates acting and art in films...I could be wrong.

Incorrect.

Really? Again news to me. You know what movie has great CGI and special effects, the Island. Do you know most people absolutely hate that film, and for good reason...it was poorly acted, scripted and directed. Do you know what else is routinely looked down upon, Crank....which last time I checked qualifies as a movie with great special effects.

In fact Batman Begins, LOTR, X-Men 1 & 2, and Star Wars are all heralded for their acting...and in large part is why they are so popular.

Correction. Movies of today have actors, they just have no acting.

You think it is acting because the Oscar's say it is!?!?! You are dumber than I thought.

You could take any average Joe off the street and with the proper care turn him into the next Harrison Ford. Come to think of it, isn't that basically what happened to Ford?

How can it be acting? On stage you can get into role because you know what is going on and you are working within the story. For film you could be shooting the last scene, followed by the first scene. Very little skill is required for film son.

 

[jrpstarwars]

That's not true at all.



You might, but I don't.

Yeah, people act all the time - it's called lying!!!

Wow, nearly all the top 20 grossing movies of all time have large special effects, c.g.i., or big name stars.

So tell me Mr. Ebert, why do you go to movies?

 

[The Question]

Yeah, people act all the time - it's called lying!!!

Well, lying well does require some amount of acting skill. But when you're lying, you're still playing yourself. True acting requires you to become another person entirely. That takes skill.

Wow, nearly all the top 20 grossing movies of all time have large special effects, c.g.i., or big name stars.

Sales don't instantly equate quality.

So tell me Mr. Ebert, why do you go to movies?

To see good movies. And acting is a pretty big factor in deciding wether a movie is good or not.

Very little skill is required for film son.

Listen. There's something very important you have to know: You are completely and utterly wrong.

 

[Heretic]

A few things.

Halle Berry was a star at the time of X Men. The biggest "name" in the movie...also, the worst actor.

This is going to sound incredibly sexist, but trust me, I love women, especially the hot ones! Women don't "open" movies. Its just a fact. You put Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, or any of about 20 other actors in the lead role of a film and it will guarantee a good opening weekend. Women simply arent as reliable as leads. Who ya got? Demi Moore was considered a huge star...until all of her starring vehicles bombed. Julie Roberts was at one point a bankable name...but by and large...having a certain woman in a movie will not overly increase the success of that movie.

That said, Katie Holmes...though Batfans did not watch Dawsons Creek...they did know a hot chick when they saw one...and at the time katie was about as universally considered hot as any chick who can act. She had just come out of a breakthrough performance in Pieces Of April and it looked like she might be the next sex symbol chick to actually become an accomplished actress...then she dropped the ball...when she bent down to pick it up that ball had turned into a scientologist and her credibility has been shattered.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Well, lying well does require some amount of acting skill. But when you're lying, you're still playing yourself. True acting requires you to become another person entirely. That takes skill.



Sales don't instantly equate quality.



To see good movies. And acting is a pretty big factor in deciding wether a movie is good or not.



Listen. There's something very important you have to know: You are completely and utterly wrong.

Puhhhhh-leeeeeeezzzzzzz. Come down of your high horse and join civilization. If the masses cared about the acting Chocolate would have made a 100 million+. Don't you get it? $$$ is all that matters for big studios and since G.I. Joe will be done by a big studio... Titanic is thought of as a good movie I guess that means the acting was good. I guess that means for G.I. Joe to be all that it can be we should cast Leonardo Dicaprio in it. Afterall, he was the lead actor in a very good movie.

 

[jrpstarwars]

A few things.

Halle Berry was a star at the time of X Men. The biggest "name" in the movie...also, the worst actor.

This is going to sound incredibly sexist, but trust me, I love women, especially the hot ones! Women don't "open" movies. Its just a fact. You put Tom Hanks, Tom Cruise, or any of about 20 other actors in the lead role of a film and it will guarantee a good opening weekend. Women simply arent as reliable as leads. Who ya got? Demi Moore was considered a huge star...until all of her starring vehicles bombed. Julie Roberts was at one point a bankable name...but by and large...having a certain woman in a movie will not overly increase the success of that movie.

That said, Katie Holmes...though Batfans did not watch Dawsons Creek...they did know a hot chick when they saw one...and at the time katie was about as universally considered hot as any chick who can act. She had just come out of a breakthrough performance in Pieces Of April and it looked like she might be the next sex symbol chick to actually become an accomplished actress...then she dropped the ball...when she bent down to pick it up that ball had turned into a scientologist and her credibility has been shattered.

Sounds like you see what I am saying.

 

[The Question]

Puhhhhh-leeeeeeezzzzzzz. Come down of your high horse and join civilization. If the masses cared about the acting Chocolate would have made a 100 million+. Don't you get it? $$$ is all that matters for big studios and since G.I. Joe will be done by a big studio... Titanic is thought of as a good movie I guess that means the acting was good. I guess that means for G.I. Joe to be all that it can be we should cast Leonardo Dicaprio in it. Afterall, he was the lead actor in a very good movie.

Who cares what the masses care about? The masses, as a general rule, are morons. I'm talking about making a good movie. And acting is a major part of that. And I wouldn't personally mind Dicaprio, as he is a very good actor, though I've no idea who he'd play.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Who cares what the masses care about? The masses, as a general rule, are morons. I'm talking about making a good movie. And acting is a major part of that. And I wouldn't personally mind Dicaprio, as he is a very good actor, though I've no idea who he'd play.

Funny this came up. I have Dicaprio in my script as.....


... Falcon.