GI Joe movie thoughts

[jrpstarwars]

Yes, Devil's Due did kill Lady Jaye off.

Wow, I never realized how much that Lady Jaye art looks like Hargitay. Jaye's age depends on Flint's, IMHO. Whoever plays those characters has to have chemistry.

Yes, sadley enough Lady Jaye's death was followed by Flint's suicide at her gravesite. He blew his head off.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

That many characters can work for my screenplay(s). Look at some other movies and their large all star casts. Armageddon had over 20 speaking roles, Lord of the Rings over 20. Sin City over 20. Yes, their are 102 characters I would like to incorporate but of those 102 less than half of them will have more than a couple lines. True, 50 characters is still too many for more than one film but I am trying to span this out over at least 3 screenplays, likely six, but hopefully 12. There is only going to be about 12 - 15 'main chracters' over the series of screenplays. About 7 -10 supporting roles. The rest will just have sporatic parts here and there.

An example of the supporting role would be characters similar to Beachhead or Major Bludd. Characters like them may have roles where he is a big figure in the second half of the third movie but pretty much non existent in the first 2 and a 1/2 movies. Examples of the sporatic roles would be characters like Doc, Alpine, Barbecue, Breaker, etc., etc..

Still making any overt mention of characters not necessary for the script will just amount to noise and turn the plot into a cluster-f***. Lord of the Rings may have had 20 roles built up over three films, but it started out with 5 or 6 (on either side). Same with X-Men. Iceman, Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Xavier, Rogue, and Storm. Anyone else relegated to the background and left largely unacknowledged.

G.I.Joe is only do-able if you move them down to an intimate special opps team. Duke, Hawk, Flint, Snake Eyes, Scarlett, Lady Jaye, Heavy Duty and Perhaps one other.

Also when you undertake a franchise it's not what can we do with a trilogy. It's "what can we do with ONE movie"...the following are going to be installments. But that one film has to stand on it's own. And unfortunately your looking at introducing 33 characters in one film...and that won't happen in any way that won't fly over the heads of a general audience member.

And I wouldn't say "less than half" will have a couple of lines. I would say less than 1/3 of what you quote would have any lines at all.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I don't like any of your choices. Michael Biehn would be good as Duke but not Hawk. Would anyone really believe Biehn as the fourth highest rank in the military???

At his age, and due to the parts he has played (Aliens, Terminator 1, the ROCK)...yes I would, I think most would.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Still making any overt mention of characters not necessary for the script will just amount to noise and turn the plot into a cluster-f***. Lord of the Rings may have had 20 roles built up over three films, but it started out with 5 or 6 (on either side). Same with X-Men. Iceman, Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Xavier, Rogue, and Storm. Anyone else relegated to the background and left largely unacknowledged.

G.I.Joe is only do-able if you move them down to an intimate special opps team. Duke, Hawk, Flint, Snake Eyes, Scarlett, Lady Jaye, Heavy Duty and Perhaps one other.

Also when you undertake a franchise it's not what can we do with a trilogy. It's "what can we do with ONE movie"...the following are going to be installments. But that one film has to stand on it's own. And unfortunately your looking at introducing 33 characters in one film...and that won't happen in any way that won't fly over the heads of a general audience member.

And I wouldn't say "less than half" will have a couple of lines. I would say less than 1/3 of what you quote would have any lines at all.

I am familiar with screenwriting and what does and does not work. All your points are right but how can you not view this as a franchise when you know it will be? Lucas did it with Star Wars and Peter Jackson with Lord of the Rings. Each film will stand on it's own and be it's own entity within the bounds of the larger story. Take the Star Wars movies for example: they all could have stood on their own because they were all there own story yet still within the Star Wars universe.

What I am trying to say is that the G.I. Joe universe is every bit as big as the Star Wars universe. With that said, you know you have at least six movies and six movies could use the 102 characters and then some without it becoming a cluster f***.

The first film will do exactly what you said, the core characters will be introduced. Flagg, Haul, Hawk, Duke, Flint, Snake Eyes, Gung Ho, Roadblock, Lady Jaye, and Scarlett. The second screenplay of mine will likely reduce the roles of Flagg, Haul, and Hawk as well as a couple others. This will allow us to introduce characters like Shipwreck and Wild Bill.

Most of the characters will be interchangable but you will still have your core of Duke, Flint, Snake Eyes, and Lady Jaye. Maybe Gung Ho, Shipwreck, or Roadblock will become a part of that core as the story progresses.

 

[jrpstarwars]

At his age, and due to the parts he has played (Aliens, Terminator 1, the ROCK)...yes I would, I think most would.

If Michael Biehn is your Hawk who are your Duke, Flint, Snake Eyes, and Lady Jaye or your Cobra Commander, Destro, and Baroness???

 

[ShadowBoxing]

If Michael Biehn is your Hawk who are your Duke, Flint, Snake Eyes, and Lady Jaye or your Cobra Commander, Destro, and Baroness???

Josh Lucas (not my favorite, but he is the best I could find) - Duke

Flint - Ben Browder

Lady Jaye - Mariska Hargitay (From "Law & Order: SVU")

Snake Eyes - Ray Park (Stunt man who most famously portrayed Darth Maul) OR Jason Stratham (It really doesn't matter...it's a non speaking part)

Destro - Powers Boothe (Famous for playing the Senator Roarke in Sin City) - Obviously he'd be wearing a mask.

Cobra Commander - Bruce Campbell

Baroness - Monica Bellucci
Zartan - Dominic Purcell.

 

[tamron]

Yes, sadley enough Lady Jaye's death was followed by Flint's suicide at her gravesite. He blew his head off.

Um, what?!? What issue? You got a scan? I'm just dumbfoundedby that one. Why the hell would they do that?

 

[jrpstarwars]

Josh Lucas (not my favorite, but he is the best I could find) - Duke

Flint - Ben Browder

Lady Jaye - Mariska Hargitay (From "Law & Order: SVU")

Snake Eyes - Ray Park (Stunt man who most famously portrayed Darth Maul) OR Jason Stratham (It really doesn't matter...it's a non speaking part)

Destro - Powers Boothe (Famous for playing the Senator Roarke in Sin City) - Obviously he'd be wearing a mask.

Cobra Commander - Bruce Campbell

Baroness - Monica Bellucci
Zartan - Dominic Purcell.

Not bad, but I prefer an all-star cast and that may be what we get. A G.I. Joe film was rumored to be a hot topic amongst filmmakers a few years back(at least 10) and it apparently had a verl large, very 'star filled' cast.

Powers Boothe is perfect for Destro. I may just put him on my casting suggestions. Ray Park is good also but not my first choice. Ben Browder is okay as Flint but a bit too young. Bruce Cambell is good but not as Cobra Commander. Monica Belluci is too young for Baroness, she should be a bit closer to Boothe in age. Mariska Hargitay is not a strong enough actress to have the female lead. Josh Lucas as Duke is a definite thumbs down. My choice for Duke, despite it being an all-star cast, is a low key actor who is well known and definitely has the look.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Um, what?!? What issue? You got a scan? I'm just dumbfoundedby that one. Why the hell would they do that?

I don't know the issue but I am certain this did happen.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Not bad, but I prefer an all-star cast and that may be what we get. A G.I. Joe film was rumored to be a hot topic amongst filmmakers a few years back(at least 10) and it apparently had a verl large, very 'star filled' cast.

Oh the fake movie poster with all the celebrities on it was a farce. You'd have one lead actor who was major on either side...then several smaller actors. Look at X-Men, LOTR, or Harry Potter..which are much more attractive properties.

Mariska Hargitay is not a strong enough actress to have the female lead.

She wouldn't be. The "female lead" would be Scarlett.

Powers Boothe is perfect for Destro.

Thanks, his part as the Senator in Sin City really is what did it for me.

Monica Belluci is too young for Baroness

She is in her forties.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Oh the fake movie poster with all the celebrities on it was a farce. You'd have one lead actor who was major on either side...then several smaller actors. Look at X-Men, LOTR, or Harry Potter..which are much more attractive properties.

She wouldn't be. The "female lead" would be Scarlett.

Thanks, his part as the Senator in Sin City really is what did it for me.

She is in her forties.

I actually have someone with a bigger name in mind for Lady Jaye. Hargitay just don't seem like the tough, military dyke type. Is Bellucy British or able to talk convincingly with an accent? As for the poster, what poster?

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I actually have someone with a bigger name in mind for Lady Jaye. Hargitay just don't seem like the tough, military dyke type.

That is pretty much her exact role on SVU and she won an Emmy for it.

 

[jrpstarwars]

That is pretty much her exact role on SVU and she won an Emmy for it.

Look at the recent comc book films; X-Men, Batman, Superman, Spiderman. The female characters have always been bigger, more established actresses than their male counterparts. If Lady jaye has any significant role it has to be a well-known actress as her. My choice is Helena Bonham Carter.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Look at the recent comc book films; X-Men, Batman, Superman, Spiderman. The female characters have always been bigger, more established actresses than their male counterparts. If Lady jaye has any significant role it has to be a well-known actress as her. My choice is Helena Bonham Carter.

Rachel Dawes/Katie Holmes was in NO WAY more established than the FAR more talented Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Tom Wilkinson, and Liam Nesson. In fact that was the main complaint about her and why she was nominated for a Razzie at the end of the year.

I'm have to say the same for both Anna Paquin (who was a relative newcomer), Halle Berry (who until X-Men had few major roles -- in fact almost all her success is post X-Men), and Famke Jansen outside of being a Bond Girl was a virtual unknown..at least Hugh was an established Aussie actor. And Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen were both lightyears ahead of the others.

Spider-Man...again, no. Tobey McGuire was well ahead of Kirsten in terms of acting experience. His films had been nominated, he was already seen as a talented up and comer. Kirsten had Bring it On as the one major film to her credit. Not exactly on par with Cider House Rules.

Superman Returns might be your only example. But I guess having Blue Crush on your resume and otherwise being a breakout star is better than almost no experience as far as Brandon was concerned. So most would have to, and would be correct in, disagreeing with that statement.

And if you wanted someone who doesn't embody Dykey and tough I'd say Carter just about fits that.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Rachel Dawes/Katie Holmes was in NO WAY more established than the FAR more talented Christian Bale, Michael Caine, Tom Wilkinson, and Liam Nesson. In fact that was the main complaint about her and why she was nominated for a Razzie at the end of the year.

I'm have to say the same for both Anna Paquin (who was a relative newcomer), Halle Berry (who until X-Men had few major roles -- in fact almost all her success is post X-Men), and Famke Jansen outside of being a Bond Girl was a virtual unknown..at least Hugh was an established Aussie actor. And Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen were both lightyears ahead of the others.

Spider-Man...again, no. Tobey McGuire was well ahead of Kirsten in terms of acting experience. His films had been nominated, he was already seen as a talented up and comer. Kirsten had Bring it On as the one major film to her credit. Not exactly on par with Cider House Rules.

Superman Returns might be your only example. But I guess having Blue Crush on your resume and otherwise being a breakout star is better than almost no experience as far as Brandon was concerned. So most would have to, and would be correct in, disagreeing with that statement.

And if you wanted someone who doesn't embody Dykey and tough I'd say Carter just about fits that.

Katie Holmes, Halle Berry, and Kirsten Dunst were all bigger names and draws than Bale, Jackman, Stewart, McKellan, or Tobey.

 

[3dman27]

I actually have someone with a bigger name in mind for Lady Jaye. Hargitay just don't seem like the tough, military dyke type. Is Bellucy British or able to talk convincingly with an accent? As for the poster, what poster?

i think they mean a parody poster that was in wizard magazine a couple of years ago

 

[jrpstarwars]

i think they mean a parody poster that was in wizard magazine a couple of years ago

No, the rumor I heard is from further back.

 

[jrpstarwars]

I take this topic a bit seriously so what I am about to say is not a joke.

How about for Cobra Commander:

Pretty scarey isn't he?

 

[Hunter Rider]

*pukes*

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Katie Holmes, Halle Berry, and Kirsten Dunst were all bigger names and draws than Bale, Jackman, Stewart, McKellan, or Tobey.

You're smoking crack.

 

[jrpstarwars]

You're smoking crack.

Prior to Batman no one knew who in the hell christian bale was. Same thing with Jackman in X-Men. McGuire was known but not as well known as Dunst. As for Mckellan and Stewart, Berry was and still is a bigger name. Stewart may have been well known but who saw this movie to see Patrik Stewart? At least one less person than saw it to see Halle Berry. Only a Trekkie would go see this for Stewart over Berry.

 

[tamron]

Prior to Batman no one knew who in the hell christian bale was. Same thing with Jackman in X-Men. McGuire was known but not as well known as Dunst. As for Mckellan and Stewart, Berry was and still is a bigger name. Stewart may have been well known but who saw this movie to see Patrik Stewart? At least one less person than saw it to see Halle Berry. Only a Trekkie would go see this for Stewart over Berry.

The Bale thing is not true. American Psycho may not have been some huge box office smash, but it definitely put his name out there. People knew who he was, he just wasn't a mega-star or anything.

 

[jrpstarwars]

The Bale thing is not true. American Psycho may not have been some huge box office smash, but it definitely put his name out there. People knew who he was, he just wasn't a mega-star or anything.

Whatever, more people knew Katie Holmes name than his and having a recognizable name in a film increases the drawing power.

 

[jrpstarwars]

Another example of bigger name actresses being needed for comic book films is Fantastic 4 w/ Jessica Alba. Granted, not a huge name but a much bigger one than Hargitay.

 

[The Question]

Snake Eyes - Ray Park (Stunt man who most famously portrayed Darth Maul) OR Jason Stratham (It really doesn't matter...it's a non speaking part)

I'd say it matters a great deal. It's a part that requires the actor to convey emotion and feeling with no facial expressions or speaking whatsoever. And since Snake Eyes has alot of psychological and emotional layers to him, that would especially hard. You need a fine kind of actor for that.

Cobra Commander - Bruce Campbell

....interesting. Not sure how I'd feel about it, really. While I love Bruce Cambell, there are others better suited for the role. Really, Bruce just doesn't strike me like a complete loser who went crazy and mebcame a fanatical, stone cold killer vigilante/political extremist.