Godzilla (2014) - - - - Part 13

[GremlinZilla89]

Of course X-Men is going to have a big drop, X-Men movies never have legs.

Of course you don't because you have buried your head in the sand. It's not enough for you that a sequel is coming anyway, you have to make believe the film is liked by the vast majority of people who saw it. If Blended actually made money and X-Men actually lived up to expectations then yes the drop would have been semi understandable. I still would consider the word of mouth mixed but the drop would have been more understandable.

Why are you insulting me and treating me like some fanboy? I'm simply saying the drop isn't that much of a failure.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

No one said it was a massive failure, but it is clear you don't know how to read box office numbers.


It has actually become very common place the last few years for these films to stack. That is a problem, but the films that get great WOM have legs. They aren't the same kind of legs films use to have, but this is bad.

Even if Godzilla had opened with a 60% drop, it would have been bad. It opened under $100m, which means it is not falling from the mountain top. A movie like Catching Fire or IM3 can fall 70% because they open so big. Godzilla's opening wasn't close to that.


According to who, you? Because it is being reported as a huge fall for a reason. As Mojo put it,




http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3848&p=.htm

Oh yes, I CLEARLY know nothing of box office numbers when a film is legit hit. The evidence is right in front of your eyes. NOTHING is making as much as people would have predicting. Not Spidey, not X-Men. And for a stand alone film without massive appeal to make 31mil in the wake of two big BO contenders is a decent show. I'm not saying it's some miracle or anything, just a strong show. I was actually expecting far worse. Something in the 15-20mil range.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm kind of surprised that DOFP actually fell a tad below Godzilla's opening #s. ( we'll see what the real numbers are Tuesday. ).

with all the hype and positive buzz and reviews, I expected DOFP to open much closer to the $100m mark.

It isn't that surprising. X-Men just isn't that relevant in the US anymore, though this could be the film that makes it so again. X-Men did do fantastic overseas.

and let's see if DOFP has a similar drop next week.

The cinemascore of "A" suggest it should have good legs, but it is about to go through a gauntlet.

 

[Lighthouse]

It's a pretty heavy drop, but a disastrous drop it is not. Yeah, I'm pretty sure this movie is going to come out half like/half dislike in it's final reception by the audience, but considering the movie overperformed by about 30 million dollars in it's opening, I can't see how anyone would find this extremely bad.

 

[Liam_H]

Drop is pretty bad, all things considered. If next week approaches 60% again then WOM is not good.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh yes, I CLEARLY know nothing of box office numbers when a film is legit hit. The evidence is right in front of your eyes. NOTHING is making as much as people would have predicting. Not Spidey, not X-Men. And for a stand alone film without massive appeal to make 31mil in the wake of two big BO contenders is a decent show. I'm not saying it's some miracle or anything, just a strong show. I was actually expecting far worse. Something in the 15-20mil range.

Then you really don't know what you are talking about.

Everything you said here is so off, it is kind of scary. By the way, Spidey is going to land right where Mojo predicted WW, and DoFP seems to be well on the way there.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

If it hits 200mil, I can't see how anybody could consider it a failure. Hell, as much as I was anticipating it, I didn't expect it to make as much as it already had. I thought it would flop hard.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

Then you really don't know what you are talking about.

Everything you said here is so off, it is kind of scary. By the way, Spidey is going to land right where Mojo predicted WW, and DoFP seems to be well on the way there.

Wow, a be a little more condescending why don't you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

hey, if it can end in the $205 - $225m range, I think that's fairly respectable when all is said and done.

The multiplier would be pretty poor if it only gets to $205m.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't know if Butch is being condescending as much as he finds it humorous that you say you understand the box office but expected a 78 to 84% drop. Drops like that never happen to blockbuster films, if you knew what you were talking about you would have never wrote that.

 

[Hypestyle]

next film should have a whole lot more monster fighting, and give Godzilla some dramatically expanded combat moves.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

If it can reach 500 million it would be a job well done. The budget was lower than the other movies, even pac rim was in the 200 million dollars, so the gamble wasn't as big. And that budget does affect what you see on screen, the director had to make choices, worst effects and more screen time or be selective with his shots. The fascination for Godzilla is there, the huge opening is a sign of it, so hopefully next time they will have more faith with the budget, never the less i loved the movie, but more Godzilla is always welcomed

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If it hits 200mil, I can't see how anybody could consider it a failure. Hell, as much as I was anticipating it, I didn't expect it to make as much as it already had. I thought it would flop hard.

No one is calling it a failure. Listen to what we are saying. We are saying that the WOM is bad, meaning those that saw it clearly didn't think very fondly of it. It is not that hard to understand. Multipliers show exactly how people feel about a film. Batman Begins is a fine example. It opened low, but it had a very strong multiplier, and the DVD sales showed how much people liked it.

Begins opened with $49m, and ended with $205m. That is consistency, that is people saying, "go see it, its good".

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The reception of this film will hurt the sequel at the box office. Count on it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wow, a be a little more condescending why don't you.

No, I simply find your fanboyin' absolutely hilarious. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, but you are stating things as "fact".

If the films made $15m this weekend, they literally would have cancelled the sequel. That would have been one of the most epic fall in history. They'd have probably made a film about it.

 

[GremlinZilla89]

I don't know if Butch is being condescending as much as he finds it humorous that you say you understand the box office but expected a 78 to 84% drop. Drops like that never happen to blockbuster films, if you knew what you were talking about you would have never wrote that.

He is being condescending. End of.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know if Butch is being condescending as much as he finds it humorous that you say you understand the box office but expected a 78 to 84% drop. Drops like that never happen to blockbuster films, if you knew what you were talking about you would have never wrote that.

Exactly Sundance.

The reception of this film will hurt the sequel at the box office. Count on it.

Just like TASM 2. Another fanbase unwilling to read the signs until after. Then started blaming everything else but the last two films.

He is being condescending. End of.

You are posting nonsense. End of.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

No one is calling it a failure. Listen to what we are saying. We are saying that the WOM is bad, meaning those that saw it clearly didn't think very fondly of it. It is not that hard to understand. Multipliers show exactly how people feel about a film. Batman Begins is a fine example. It opened low, but it had a very strong multiplier, and the DVD sales showed how much people liked it.

Begins opened with $49m, and ended with $205m. That is consistency, that is people saying, "go see it, its good".

Im still surprised with the success of Batman Begins, it wasn't a good movie for me , average at best. Coming from Batman and Robin, any other batman movie would become a masterpiece, but i feel that trilogy of movies was over hyped to death, for my taste at least. Batman TAS is still the best interpretation of batman in any medium, still waiting for some one to come close to that

 

[GremlinZilla89]

No, I simply find your fanboyin' absolutely hilarious. You clearly don't know what you are talking about, but you are stating things as "fact".

If the films made $15m this weekend, they literally would have cancelled the sequel. That would have been one of the most epic fall in history. They'd have probably made a film about it.

I never said anything was fact. I was saying I don't see how a 31mil take against a big franchise and a film with a star known to pull in an audience can be seen as a failure. It has nothing to do with "fanboyin" out. It would be great to have a discussion without being condescended and talked down to.

 

[Sithborg]

Saying the drop is terrible isn't the same as saying the movie is terrible. Granted there are a few who would probably be crowing about it being terrible.

And the drops do have to be taken into consideration, especially with a sequel being planned. Luckily, we have some time, as Legendary wants to keep Edwards, and he will be doing a SW movie until 2016. Plenty of time to reflect and plan. The opening weekend proved that there could be an audience (though the marketing team do deserve a ton of props on this movie). Take the perfectly valid criticisms into consideration, I think the next movie can still be successful. Hell, even Edwards was hinting at a more monster movie in the next film, the way he kept dropping Monster Island hints.

Luckily, the movie opened so big, so the drops are not the end of the world.

 

[Lighthouse]

The reception of this film will hurt the sequel at the box office. Count on it.

I don't know about that. Possible, yes, but the good thing about Godzilla is that it's a whole movie. There are no teasers to a sequel. This is a film where Legendary can gage the audience reaction and attempt to correct it's (I'll admit, numerous) flaws. It's not like the Amazing Spider-Man series(which quality aside spend most of their time teasing their sequels, and are going to find themselves in a huge bind now) or Superman Returns(which I actually believe if they hadn't written themselves into such a corner with Lois and the son, would have gotten a better reworked sequel).

 

[Jaspertian1105]

I don't know about that. Possible, yes, but the good thing about Godzilla is that it's a whole movie. There are no teasers to a sequel. This is a film where Legendary can gage the audience reaction and attempt to correct it's (I'll admit, numerous) flaws. It's not like the Amazing Spider-Man series(which quality aside spend most of their time teasing their sequels, and are going to find themselves in a huge bind now) or Superman Returns(which I actually believe if they hadn't written themselves into such a corner with Lois and the son, would have gotten a better reworked sequel).

Agree, this film works as a stand alone nicely. The audience is there and im sure every one is reading all the feedback about the film and hopefully they will try to work on the criticism. MOS had even a bigger drop if i recall, it went with a lot of competition the following weekend, i think this summer dates are really getting over crowded, if the movie doesn't hit almost a 100 mil from start it will be hard to get legs

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I never said anything was fact. I was saying I don't see how a 31mil take against a big franchise and a film with a star known to pull in an audience can be seen as a failure. It has nothing to do with "fanboyin" out. It would be great to have a discussion without being condescended and talked down to.

No one is calling it a failure. Stop saying that.

But these numbers show exactly why if people were truly into, it would have made more money. The same weekend last year...
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2014&wknd=21&p=.htm

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/weekend/chart/?yr=2013&wknd=21&p=.htm

Last year the combined number for all films was $70m more. Star Trek Into Darkness opened under Godzilla in the same slot, and up against three films that made $97.3m, $41.6m, and $33.5m each, it still made $37.3m in its second weekend. And Star Trek Into Darkness was a big disappointment.

There was plenty of money out there left on the table by everyone. Godzilla however is the one in its second weekend, and dropped like a stone for no other reason then people didn't go see it.

 

[Lighthouse]

Agree, this film works as a stand alone nicely. The audience is there and im sure every one is reading all the feedback about the film and hopefully they will try to work on the criticism. MOS had even a bigger drop if i recall, it went with a lot of competition the following weekend, i think this summer dates are really getting over crowded, if the movie doesn't hit almost a 100 mil from start it will be hard to get legs

The main reason I don't think the word of mouth will hurt the sequel too badly is (and I might be wrong) the marketing for this movie was phenomenal, and if they go a Destroy All Monsters route in the next one(which Edwards has very slightly hinted at), I think they can sell the sequel to the doubters.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

And this isn't talking like, "fact"?

For a non-sequel, non-franchise a 31mil second weekend against two big films is impressive. Simple as that.

Ya, I know Godzilla is a franchise, but he doesn't have mass appeal here in the US aside from a cult fanbase.

Yeah...