Gotham Gotham Season 1, Episode 15 "The Scarecrow" General Discussion

[Herolee10]

DANGER COMES IN LARGE DOSES ON AN ALL-NEW "GOTHAM" MONDAY, FEBRUARY 9, ON FOX - Gordon and Bullock set out to stop Gerald Crane, a biology teacher who has been harvesting the glands of his murder victims. Meanwhile, after finding herself in an unusual setting, Mooney continues plotting to gain power, and Falcone attempts to change Maroni's plan for the Penguin. Then, Bruce takes a treacherous hike in the all new "The Scarecrow" episode of GOTHAM airing Monday, Feb. 9 (8:00-9:00 ET/PT) on FOX.

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Direct Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTYF3OdBLAw

 

[Hulk1968]

Can not wait!!

 

[Silliminite]

Looks like it's going to be one the episodes of the season.

 

[The Shape]

Looks like it's going to be one the episodes of the season.

Yup, it certainly will be an episode.

 

[ThePhantasm]

dude will this be episodic or what tho

 

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[Sawyer]

'Fearsome' Featurette
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Tonight.

 

[Sithborg]

I guess the Iceberg Lounge still needs some time to evolve.

 

[terry78]

Dayum Fish.

The birth of the Scarecrow.

 

[terry78]

Next week... baby Joker?!

 

[John Locke]

Great episode. First guest villain origin I've loved so far.

 

[BestGirl]

I wonder if that kid will another Joker tease. Like, he'll seem as though he's the Joker but he'll be killed at the end of the episode or something.

That place Fish is trapped in is hard core! I wonder who's kidnapped her and what they want with the prisoners.

Eddie meeting Oswald was surprisingly cute. I love how Eddie is so awkwardly polite all the time. Oswald's desire to be Jim's friend is also kind of adorable, or would be if he weren't such a psycho.

Jim's new relationship with Lee is off to a rocky start. How long till that goes to hell, too?

 

[Mindreaper21]

Get ready for the punch line!

 

[Herolee10]

So did Bruce meet a certain nocturnal creature during his trip to the woods?

 

[John Locke]

So did Bruce meet a certain nocturnal creature during his trip to the woods?

Surprisingly no. Must be saving it until the final scene of the season.

 

[Jesse]

I wasn't interested in the Fish or Bruce stories but I am curious how Fish got from the boat to where ever she is now. My first guess was that she might be in Santa Prisca but I'm not sure. I did like the special effects for the scarecrow though especially at the end. Tickets to the circus must mean we will get to see The Flying Graysons soon.

 

[godisawesome]

I think Fish is getting to know the Dollmaker's MO. Colm Feore(sp?) is coming as the madman himself, and the Dollmaker has an established predilection for kidnapping large numbers of people on this show.

I will say that while Bruce and Alfred's subplot didn't seem to go all that much farther than anything we've seen before, it was nice for them to change up the mix and focus mostly on Bruce being a tough kid and Alfred being the type of guardian you think could raise Batman. Still, the individual subplots need focus and driving goals; Bruce and Selina had one for two episodes, and they kind of need one again.

Ben McKenzie continues to demonstrate that he makes a great straight man for everyone else, and I think that's half the battle with the character. Even Leslie got to troll him a bit. And yeah, I'm not missing Barbara; if/when they reintroduce her, it better have some organic mechanism and not be something like "I'm pregnant now, so the audience has to live with having never seen how we made a couple at all in exchange for accepting that the female lead will be written in a discourteous manner."

The Cranes were actually quite fun. I keep expecting them to reveal that Jonathon is addicted to fear now; it would fit the drug analogy they went with very well. The Scarecrows were creepy as hell, though.

And anybody else love the Ministry of Silly Walks: Department of Gotham? Seeing two very colorful characters like Nygma and Penguin in the same scene was actually very nice. I loved how Penguin finally found someone he could intimidate, but also how Nygma subtly showed that he does have a nominal mental edge over him.

 

[Hulk1968]

Another good episode and the Scarecrow scenes at the end were creepy as all out.
Bruce's subplot didn't add much to the overall plot and I was kinda hoping he'd discover the bat cave under the mansion but that tease didn't pan out. (maybe towards the end of season 1 perhaps?) I liked the interaction between Penguin and Ed. It was written really well. And the circus tickets could mean that they introduce 'The Flying Graysons' soon.

But I have a sneaky feeling that the teaser at the end for the Joker could be another red herring just to stir up some rumors - but I read somewhere (I think it was here on the Hype) that the show will introduce the Red Hood gang soon. Or at least I hope they do.

But I seriously doubt they'd introduce the Joker (or pre-Joker) in season 1.

Then again I have been wrong before.

 

[Human Torch]

I'd kinda like to see this one again before coming down with a review, but it was a mixed bag. Probably a bit more on the positive side.

I really liked the Scarecrow dad. Kind of a shame he was killed. (and ironic that one of only two villains that could conceivably be significantly older than bruce turns out to be only a few years older.) Anyone else get the feeling like he was basically a better acted version of Curt Conners in TASM?

They kinda jumped the gun with Jonathon. Doesn't he typically get dosed with his own fear toxin in every Batman episode he's in? Here,he wasn't even Scarecrow yet!

Kinda disappointed they didn't bring back Harvey's chick from the last episode. Yeah,they had no real reason too,but they left her high and dry. I'd prefer her as a recurring character.

Fish. Ugh. Bring back the Barbara subplot. So those people are harvesting organs or something? Gross.

I liked the way things went with Penguin for a change. He's still getting pushed around a bit,but at least he has a bit of growth. Nice seeing him with Ed. He's got the club and....Umbrella motif! He needs to carry one now!

The stuff with Maroni/Falcone & the judge was a bit much for my taste.

The Bruce stuff. Meh. I'm not one of those people that routinely mock his crying, but making this hike just to take a temper tantrum seemed really dumb to me. The Alfred "Why do we fall?" type scene was pretty good,though. I was expecting something Bat-related to come out of the scene but--restraint.Nice.

Seemed they were already sowing the seeds of discontent between Jim & Leslie. (I refuse to call her Lee.)

 

[Herolee10]

Anyone else feel like the whole "Maroni and Falcone" dynamics that we saw tonight was a glimpse/foreshadow of how Penguin's interactions/relationship with Edward will be like in the future?

 

[The Shape]

Cool episode. That Scarecrow vision at the end was awesome, but I really wasn't crazy about the "origin" they set up for Crane and his eventual obsession with the Scarecrow moniker.

 

[JJmelo]

I thought the scarecrow at the end was awesome but they dropped the ball with everything else. They had 4 threads going at once with little to no connection between them and not enough time to do any one of them justice.

Bruce and Alfred should be cut completely. Batman isn't a thing in this show so why tease something they will never give us? Fish should be killed off soon. She eats up screen time and doesn't actually do anything. They should have ended her with ehr storyline when Falcone found her out.

Focus on Gordon and Penguin. Cobblepot has been the best thing since the beginning and they keep making him run in circles. Give him a solid storyline where he goes up against either Falcone or Maroni and let him take one of them out. Let him actually move up in the world as opposed to one step forward, two steps back.

Here are my full thoughts on the episode.
http://otlnews.net/2015/02/09/gotham-review-s1-ep-15-the-scarecrow/

 

[ThePhantasm]

Loved the episode. I thought the origin story for Scarecrow was really good... not used to him having such a tragic origin so that was different but cool. Loved the Bruce bit too, with Alfred refusing to help him up the mountain. That was great.

The Penguin arc was okay, but really it felt like it was resolved too easily. So Falcone just blackmails a judge who he was going to blackmail anyways, and suddenly Maroni calls a truce on Penguin? Eh.

The Fish bit didn't work either. No way Fish would survive that well in a prison like that. Sorry, those two huge guys who she threatened could have made mincemeat of her. It just didn't feel believable at all. I didn't feel so much that Fish was a badass as I felt that everyone around her was just colossally stupid.

Penguin meeting Nygma had no point at all, it was purely in the episode for the fun of it... and it was fun.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Surprisingly no. Must be saving it until the final scene of the season.

Maybe the final scene of the series? Bruce sitting in his chair, a bat crashes through the window...

 

[yonny616]

Maybe the final scene of the series? Bruce sitting in his chair, a bat crashes through the window...

Yes. That scene should be the final one of the series.

On-Topic: It was a solid episode. A bit boring in places, but nothing too bad.