Gotham Season 1, Episode 22 "All Happy Families Are Alike" General Discussion

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  1. Human Torch Registered

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    This is pretty much how I thought it would go down. I said to myself "Oh. Butch is clearly going to off himself at this point.Then Penguin will kill Fish in the confusion."

    I don't really mind them keeping the actor. He was/is good as a top flunky and Penguin is going to need someone to talk to. But like everything else about the show,it's awkward going forward. I mean,does Penguin still trust him now that he shot him?
     
  2. Frodo Registered

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    The finale...well, that's Gotham for you. The silver lining is they cleared the deck enough to make a drastic overall in season 2 with stronger characters , and stronger storylines. They can start fresh in alot of ways and shift the focus to the secret life of Thomas Wayne, Wayne enterprises as a criminal entity, The continuing mob chaos , and perhaps the Court of Owls acting as equalizers bringing order to Gotham.

    At the same time the baggage like, Barbara, Fish, etc is can be a distant memory. All in all , they seriously need some new writers and a fresh pair of eyes to redeem this series imo.
     
  3. ThePhantasm 2 sexy 4 a stormtrooper

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    Thought it was a good episode. Didn't like Fish's ambiguous ending (falling in the water? Is Jada Pinkett Smith ever really going to return to this show?). Didn't like Selina randomly joining with Fish. Selina's been paranoid about everything, trusts no one, and suddenly becomes an unquestioning lackey of Fish? Out of character with everything we've seen so far. Especially given that throughout this season she at least seemed like a conflicted character (as Selina is wont to be) rather than straight up evil.

    The rest of it was good, especially Penguin and Riddler's moments.

    Looking back on the season, it seems really choppy and incoherent. The Dollmaker entered the scene after a lot of build up for no real reason at all, other than to keep Fish occupied. Hopefully he'll be back next season, but still... what a wasted storyline. The Bruce investigation plot, while interesting, meandered. The only two really consistently interesting plots were Gordon v. the corrupt GCPD, and the mafia plot. But still, this show has a lot of potential, hoping they get their **** together for season 2.
     
  4. Daltonio Avi Arad's Sidekick

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    Pretty good finale overall, but I'm just soooooooooooo pissed off about the stuff with Barbara. I'm so mad. They just turn her into a total psychopath out of absolutely nowhere?? There's no other reason for it besides them trying to cave in to the fans, which as Arrow has proved, is always a bad thing to do. Ugh. <_< :argh:
     
  5. Bathead The Oldest Geek

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    Well, Jada did say she was done with the role at the end of the season. I doubt she's coming back, at least not for a long while.
     
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    There were some really great points in this finale, and as always, there were some awful ones as well.

    Really liked the continuation of Psycho Barbara – everyone who says that her broken side hasn't been teased since most of the season clearly didn't watch carefully. And someone like the Ogre surely can bring out the most hidden evil of a person.

    The roof scene with Penguin, Butch and Fish however... As some people already said, it would have made more sense for Butch to shoot himself – but by following the orders of both, he did a great twist of expectations. What was the problem was (a) that Penguin throwing Fish over that high wall looked so dumb and (b) his "I am the King of Gotham". I mean, srlsy?

    Also, Jim's action scenes in the hospital were done sloppily. The crooks could have shot him sooo easily. Didn't like Selina's sudden "Killing people and hanging around with Mafia bosses is cool" either. Would have probably worked if she knew Fish already. But this way it was OOC.

    Did you guys interpret Nygma's shizophrenic episode as a first following the murder and nearly being caught, or do you think it's always been there and we just weren't showed it? I think that it could work the second way as well. We know that he probably doesn't have a high self-esteem and the inner fight could have been there all along.

    That's absolutely true. The only concluded arch is the mafia plot. So many plot arches just went nowhere or didn't pay off. Probably a product of the repeated increasing of episodes for the season. But still seems odd.
     
  7. Slade W "Who Is Slade?"

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    I enjoyed the season and I am looking forward to the next one. It is obvious that the writers/producers are inexperienced in comparison to the ones behind the other superhero shows and don't quite know how to handle such a show as well as them just yet. One of them even admitted that in an interview recently.
     
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    Actully if arrow carved to fans sara would be alive and laurel would be dead.

    They departed from lore with gangsters.falocne simply retiring and maroni dead.

    I loved penguin got rid of fish.

    In this show Thomas wayne created the batcave it seems.

    we see further why bruce and selina will never work out.

    If gotham catters to fans they won't try to bring back fish or barbara.
     
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    ^This. I thought for sure he was going to turn the gun on himself!
     
  10. Kryptonian Warrior The Dawn Is Upon Us

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    I actually liked the way they revealed the entrance to the cave. However, it would have been awesome if a single bat would have flown out of the entrance OR it would have been awesome to hear the squeak of a bat in the background. For example, the camera is behind Bruce and Alfred and they are staring down into the black void of the cave and you hear the echos of a bat/s down in the cave and then /credits.
     
  11. Lencho01 Shazoogle! Shazoogle!

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    :hehe:
     
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    I have trouble seeing Gotham's interpretation as authentically Zsasz, but on the other hand he's such an intriguing character in his own right and acted so enthrallingly that I can't help but agree with you.
     
  13. chamber-music Infinity Ammo

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    This show is so weird :funny:

    That is all I have to say about the episode.
     
  14. Pfeiffer-Pfan Cool Rider

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    This show... :hehe:

    First of all, the stuff with Alfred/Bruce was kind of boring. I liked the final few moments but it still felt dragged out. I really hope they don't suggest Thomas Wayne was thinking of becoming a Batman-like figure. But then you never know with this show.. it could just be his secret porn stash.

    The Barbara stuff was just weird, but I suppose where else were they going to take her character? I'm just glad Leslie wasn't killed and Morena gets to come back next season (as a series regular). Hopefully, they send Barbara off to Arkham and keep her there.

    The real excitement was to be had with the gang war and the culmination of a season long rivalry between Fish and Penguin. I actually loved all the scenes with Falcone, which were wonderfully played by John Doman. It makes sense for him to get out of Gotham and as Jim says, he's the ''best bad guy'' they got. I'd like to see him make a few more appearances next season.

    I LOVED the scene where Fish killed Maroni (even though I'll miss him). The writing and reasoning can be very wonky on this show, but they got it spot on right here. However, here's the big question... Is Fish truly dead?

    Jada said she was done, and I don't think she's lying, but it's the old classic death where the character falls (into water no doubt) of a building and we never see a body. I could see Jada come back for a small multi-episode arc next season or even beyond. Or hey, she could simply be dead... I guess we'll never know unless Heller makes it official.

    A good episode all around, and a pretty solid conclusion to one of the most inconsistent first seasons of any show I've seen. I'm glad I stuck with it, as I enjoyed it for the most part and I'll happily stick around for season 2... but they have ALOT of problems to fix.

    Let's hope they pull it off and that the ratings remain stable... also, STOP wasting Donal Logue as Harvey Bullock and give him something more substantial to do!
     
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  15. Bathead The Oldest Geek

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    I distinctly heard the flapping of bat-wings as the two were looking down the steps.
     
  16. Slade W "Who Is Slade?"

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    My two favourite characters over the whole season were Penguin and Falcone. I don't know why I like Penguin so much. He sucks up to those ahead of him and treats those beneath him like crap. He is a sneaky piece of s**t but the actor just makes it work. You want to route for him despite those things that I mentioned earlier. He is an underdog although a very two-faced and underhanded one. John Doman played Falcone brilliantly and is an excellent actor. He was a very dignified and sophisticated villain and he exuded confidence and was in control of almost every situation. He was a boss. I hope he is back on the show sometime.
     
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    Selina is a *****. I hope Jim has her locked up at some point next season.
     
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  18. Mindreaper21 It's Harvest Time

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    Hell yes! He needs to start going straight serial killer mode and get more tally marks.
     
  19. X Knight Straight Edge

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    yeah. I heard batwings flapping, too.
     
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    I agree. Penguin was definitely the standout character this season. Indeed, the season very much felt like it was his story as it was Gordon's.

    and maybe that will be a format they use in the following seasons.

    So, Season 2 will continue to focus on Gordon and Nygma's arc will be the secondary focus.

    Season 3 will be on Gordon and then someone else, perhaps an older Bruce beginning his training.

    and so on.
     
  21. X Knight Straight Edge

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    and I will say, I enjoyed the finale and the season overall.

    The biggest problem I had with the finale was Selina. It just felt so random for her to join Fish and go all "punk/gangster."

    Hopefully, Season 2 will have more consistent writing and characterization.
     
  22. Codex Tesseract Registered

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    Gotham is what Gotham is. If you're waiting for it to "get better" then you might as well stop watching, because it's committed to its flavor which is a little campy and silly and is more interested in character development than plot development. I don't fault anyone if that's not their thing.
     
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    Having Selina hook up with Fish I think was in keeping her with her character...she's always played both sides of the game. Isn't that what's always frustrated Batman about Catwoman is that he can never really get a handle on her character...is she good or bad etc?

    I've always felt she was both, depending on her mood.

    And I can see how Fish would seem really 'cool' to a young girl growing up on the streets, hence Selina trying to look like her (changing her hair etc) in the end she realized she was in over her head and got out when the shooting started.

    Was I the only one expecting Butch to push Penguin off the wall? :funny:

    Seriously, bad time to play Jack Dawson when you have the guy who just shot you, who watched you throw someone he cared about off the wall...sitting behind you.

    I'll say!

    But I've come to a point where I've started to embrace the weirdness that is Gotham. It's grown on me, :yay:

    But there is definitely a lot of room for improvement for Season 2, I too often got the sense that the writers were flying by the seat of their pants this season (too many plot points that went nowhere, and villain of the week plots) hopefully they will really refocus on where they want to go for Season 2.

    I'm really glad I stuck it out, and I'm interested in seeing where they go from here.
     
  24. Kryptonian Warrior The Dawn Is Upon Us

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    Oh really? I need to watch that part again. I guess I didn't have my sound up loud enough.
     
  25. Broseph44 Witness Me

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    There was definitely the sound of bat wings flapping around
     

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