Gotham Gotham Season 1, Episode 7 "Penguin's Umbrella" General Discussion

Great episode. First time I didn't hate Bruce! "Panel of chimps and a bucket of crack" would be a great band name.

 

The fire rises!







C'mon,somebody had to say it.

 

I also think the Netflix deal gave Gotham breathing room it doesn't seem to need.

From Fox's perspective they can expect the 1st season to be seen millions of more times after it ends, and also since Netflix showed such immediate interest there's also the possibility they might pick up the show if Fox decides it's too expensive, or wanted better ratings etc.

 

The ending was superb. Now we know how Penguin rose to the top of the criminal underworld; by being smarter and more manipulative than anyone else in the room.

 

Best episode yet. Show really didn't do much for me up to this point.

 

Great episode

Loved Zsasz

 

I'm really starting to hate this show.

 

The only thing I didn't like was the Wayne scene.Seemed way contrived that Gordon felt the need to check in with Bruce.And Bruce..."I'm not a child".....come on,let's not push it, son.

 

RmT: ¿When Zsasz clears the room, does Nigma go or stay?

 

Ah, the mandatory contrarian who has to hate the episode everyone else liked.

Thank god for ignore lists.

 

Don't explain why what ever you do. It makes it so much easier to take your opinion seriously when you just say you hate it with no explanation.

 

Just watched the episode. Easily my favorite of this season so far. I hope this marks the point where the series begins to find its voice.

 

Another great episode. Zsasz was pretty good and I like Penguin's rise. I guess Falcone knows of Mooney's "Secret Weapon" too so I doubt they'll survive the season.

 

Well I guess that will teach me to have my own opinion around here.

 

Wow, this was def the best episode so far. Truly amazing and very tense!

The twist at the end omg, they played us!

I need to see more of Zsasz, he was great.

I'm annoyed at Barbara though and hope she'll play a more "important" role someday.

Also I had to laugh at Gordon calling Montoya and the other guy good detectives, good joke!

 

It helps to explain your opinion. Coming into an overwhelmingly positive thread and just saying "I hate this" isn't exactly going to endear you to people.

 

Fish Mooney hamming it up is so annoying it makes me want to turn it off every time she is on screen.

Zsasz is told to bring Gordon in alive, and then immediately starts aiming at his head.

Zsasz's S&M biker henchman seemed straight out of Batman Forever.

Everyone has mobile phones, yet uses typewriters. I get they are going for a certain aesthetic, but something like that really takes me out of it.

The Mayor is also way too hammy.

Barbara acts dumb by trying to appeal to Falcone for no reason other than the plot requires her to.

I'm not sure why yet but I also didn't found Zsasz annoying.

The Penguin is the only reason why I still watch the show. I like Bullock but he isn't in it enough and when he is it's mainly just to contrast against Gordon rather than getting character development.

But then there isn't much point me explaining why I didn't like the episode since I already know nobody cares.

 

Sigh. Some of these complaints are valid. Some are not. The mobile phones thing has to do with Heller confirming that the story takes places in a timeless place that is a combo of different eras. Hardly the first show to do this. As for Victor shooting at Gordon's head, it's a common trait of the character to ignore orders and try to kill people he shouldn't. Even if he had succeeded, Falcone wouldn't have cared since he was only keeping Gordon alive as a favor to Penguin and had no real interest in the man himself. And complaining about the occasional campy performance in a show based on comic books is like complaining about light saber battles in a Star Wars movie. There should be some camp in a show like this. It's freaking Gotham city.

Yet, despite the flaws, the overwhelming majority loved this episode and say it's a major step in the right direction. That includes critics who have hated every episode so far. Sounds like you're just nitpicking and trying to be a contrarian. I see that you like Arrow. If you nitpick that show you'll find hundreds of flaws, the worst of which is the incredibly cliché "will they/won't they" thing between Oliver and Felicity, which comes across as a romance straight out of 50 shades of gray (the homely girl wins over the heart of the handsome, rich Adonis).

Now back to the ignore list for you.

 

Are you sure about that? Zsasz nailed Gordon in the back. If he'd been aiming for the head, the show would've ended right there.

Yeah, I didn't like them, either.

If they had warrants already printed out, then info would have to be entered on them via typewriter. Come to think of it, I can't remember if I've ever seen a computer on this show.

Someone on another forum had an interesting theory: that Barbara had deliberately gotten herself kidnapped by Falcone. She knew that Jim was essentially on a suicide mission and decided that he would only back down if her own life were in danger. It's an interesting idea, anyway.

 

Great post.

Barbara did save Jim & Bullock's life by being completely stupid. It happens in real life, believe me, but what I liked about it was Falcone was touched by it.

Beyond Cobblepot's machination, I don't think he really wanted to kill the three of them. And I like the fact that Gordon has proven himself to be dangerous and Falcone knows it.

It's interesting to me that Falcone in the pre-Bats era is just not running things, he really seems to care about the city and not just the status quo.

As we know, Bruce one day will shatter all of that, but I really think Falcone's really cool.


I just saw an article that said Penguin's story in this episode was a "retcon". Jeez...

 

This was probably my favorite episode of the series although I was deterred by Penguin's ridiculous luck in orchestrating such a successful plan that could have gone wrong in so many ways. In addition, Falcone granting Penguin's request is a little hard to swallow considering Penguin was a snitch that either could simply take off or give faulty information. There's also the risk of backlash for Falcone playing along with this game. It's like trying to predict 10 moves ahead in chess.

 

I really liked this episode. Probably will end up being one of my favorites from the whole show whenever it ends.

 

If Falcone hadn't've been impressed with Oswald's info, he could've just killed him anyway. I guess he believed it was true because it confirmed suspicions he already had or clarified strange things he had already seen.

There's no way he could have any idea of how manipulative Oswald can be, either, so it would seem to be a fail-proof plan. There's always the possibility that Maroni could figure out the plan, of course, but I suspect you don't get to the top of the criminal underworld without being a gambler.