Gotham Season 2 ratings thread

Discussion in 'Gotham' started by famicommander, Sep 22, 2015.

  1. famicommander Registered

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    You can keep up with the ratings here:
    http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/gotham-season-two-ratings-38069/

    It will be updated every Tuesday evening following a Gotham episode. It will initially show the fast national rating, and later in the night will update to the Live+Same Day adjustment.

    Here are Gotham's Season One ratings:
    http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/gotham-season-one-ratings-33994/

    Here is the Fox network average for the current season:
    http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/fox-2015-16-season-ratings-38075/

    And the network average for last season:
    http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/fox-2014-15-season-ratings-33882/

    Gotham's season two premiere earned a 1.6 in the Live+Same Day Nielsen ratings, totalling 4.57 million viewers. This represents a 51.52% decline from last year's premiere in the demographic and a 44.99% decline in total viewers. Last season's series premiere earned a 3.30 rating and 8.31 million viewers.

    Gotham didn't fall to or below a 1.6 rating last season until episode 19, while the average was a 2.19 (good for the second highest rated scripted show on the network, behind Empire).

    This has got to be alarming, especially considering Supergirl has not started yet and when occupy the same timeslot over on CBS.

    Working in Gotham's favor are its lucrative Netflix deal and the generally terrible condition of the Fox network (Minority Report premiered to a pathetic 1.1). It would probably have to fall below a 1.1 or 1.0 on a weekly basis to merit cancellation, but we won't really know how low it will sink for at least a month.
     
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  2. HighFivingMF Welp.

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    It is up against Big Bang Theory and The Voice. Not a nice place to be.
     
  3. marvelrobbins Registered

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    I think it won't last past this season.a shame since it's only hour long show i watch on fox.at least the revivals of X-files and prison break.
     
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    In a few weeks Supergirl will replace Big Bang Theory, which could end up being worse for Gotham.

    Supergirl is probably going to be a bigger hit than any Marvel/DC show in recent memory, and it figures to draw heavily from the same potential audience as Gotham.

    The drop from the season 1 premiere to the season 2 premiere was almost as huge as the one Agents of SHIELD saw, but SHIELD started from a lot higher than Gotham. SHIELD season 2 fell all the way to a 1.6 average last season after premiering to a 2.0. If that trend holds for Gotham it could be disastrous.
     
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    It has the netflix deal which could guarantee it a third season. Agents of Shield get worse ratings and have survived so far. I don't see Gotham going past 4 seasons though.
     
  6. famicommander Registered

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    Gotham is well behind SHEILD's pace. SHIELD season 2 premiered to a 2.0.

    Agents of SHIELD has this working in its favor:
    -ABC, Marvel Comics, Marvel Studios, and the show itself are all owned by the same parent company (Disney). That means Disney keeps all the money from streaming, DVD/BD sales, merch, etc. Fox has to pay Warner Bros for the Batman license and Warner TV gets the money from stuff like merch sales, streaming, Blu Ray, etc.

    -SHIELD ties into the greater Marvel Cinematic Universe and is, in essence, a 22 hour long commercial for the films

    The Netflix deal may motivate Warner to keep Gotham going but it doesn't do much for Fox. Fox really only benefits from advertising revenue, which is largely dependent on Nielsen ratings.

    It is entirely possible that Fox could cancel the show but Warner could keep it going on a streaming service or another network they own or co-own (CW, WGN, TNT, etc.)
     
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    Its still early to tell I think the fast that the Pilot did leak may of hurt the Premier we will have to see how the 2nd week does if it continues to go down then it might not see a Full Season or a 3rd seeason unless they move it to Netflix course Sleepy Hollow got some pretty bad ratings and its getting a Season 3.
     
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    That is bad news. I love this show! They ( Producers ) might have to expedite the villains a bit.

    Give Penguin his umbrella, unleash the Joker ( Looks like he's a few shows away from becoming a force ) and let the Riddler reach his potential.

    For the fans I would be okay with a flash forward of Batman in an episode doing his thing, with a tie in to that critical moment where as a kid he heard his calling!
     
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    Episode 2 was basically flat, with a 1.6 rating and 4.573 million viewers.

    These are just the initial overnights. The adjusted ratings should be in later today.

    If it doesn't adjust down this is an okay sign for the show.
     
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    Episode 2's rating had no adjustment, so its stays at a 1.6. The viewership received a slight bump upwards to about 4.65 million.

    The big question is how much Supergirl will impact Gotham.

    Fox's new shows all seem to be tanking except Rosewood, which is good news for Gotham fans.
     
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    These are TV ratings, correct. What about the web ratings?
     
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    Those aren't published as consistently and have little bearing on whether Fox as a network will renew Gotham. Stuff like Hulu, Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, DVD/Blu Ray, cable syndication, and Ultraviolet benefits the parent companies (Warner, DC Comics) and production studios (Warner Television) but not so much the actual network airing it. Fox will make money primarily from live television viewership, and also OnDemand, because their revenue comes from advertisements.

    Alternative platforms are becoming more important all the time but at present Nielsen ratings are still the primary measure of a show's chances to continue. Especially when the network airing it doesn't own the show, like in Gotham's case.

    A show with a large alternative media following could end up getting picked up elsewhere after its original network cancels it (in recent memory, Community and the Mindy Project), but people streaming it isn't going to stop Fox from cancelling Gotham.
     
  14. Sithborg Dark Forces Return

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    Well, if the deals WB is getting for streaming continue to be great, that will help Gotham, as they would be willing to take more of the costs. This is essentially why Hannibel was able to get 3 seasons. There is a limit, of course, but we aren't quite there yet.
     
  15. famicommander Registered

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    Hannibal was an international co-production, so NBC's costs were extremely low. A bit of a unique circumstance.
     
  16. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    I won't be surprised if this show is canned after two seasons. I couldn't stay with it all the way through the first season.
     
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    Sleepy Hollow had a terrible return performance. That's probably good news for Gotham.
     
  18. Sawyer High King

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    http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/20...erforms-stronger-than-season-premiere/475676/
    I like what I'm reading. :up:
     
  19. Sawyer High King

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    .... so then why the f*** are you here? To gloat that you couldn't watch any more and think it's demise is imminent? Beat it. :o
    Gotham has done significantly better than both Sleepy Hollow and Minority Report, and in fact, most of the network's line-up apart from Empire. If it stays this course, I think it's in good shape.
     
  20. famicommander Registered

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    Again with the DVR numbers. They're a red herring.

    If Fox renews Gotham it will be because of the L+SD ratings and if they cancel it will be for the same reason. DVR ratings have never stopped a cancellation because they don't generate revenue.
     
  21. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    To voice my opinion of course. What do you come here for, to get your hair done? This isn't a fan forum where only people who like this show can come and post.

    If I wanted to do that I'd be saying I'm glad the ratings were slipping.

    I'm not going anywhere. In fact you saying that is just extra incentive for me to stay :sly:
     
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  22. Sawyer High King

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    ........ yes.

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    I recognized it, I was playing along. :huh:
     
  25. The Joker The Clown Prince of Crime

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    Oh sorry lol. I thought you were legitimately confused because of the confused gifs you used :o
     

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