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Green Lantern Ideas Thread

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Thankfully and unfortunately, Fantastic Four happened and due to studio sabotage/paranoia it flopped badly. GL '11 is no longer the poster child for how not to make a CBM. So in the spirit of avoiding what happened the first time around this thread is for good ideas and how not to repeat those mistakes.

For a GLC movie let's keep all the fluff and exposition to a minimum. Hal Jordan is the protagonist and we're watching things unfold from mostly his pov. The prologue starts on Oa and Hal's finishing up a briefing with the Guardians. He gets introduced to John Stewart who is supposed to be the audience surrogate. He's just finished his training and according to Kilowog he's a badass one of the best he's trained. John knows the basics and repeats this often to Hal who he's been partnered up with. You can probably sneak in a Cherkov's gun in here somewhere. This keeps the exposition dumps organic as John'll comment on or ask about the weirder stuff in the setting as story moves along.

That's all I got for now.

And hire a director who's a fan or at the very least is willing to understand the source material. If there isn't any passion behind the camera then there's no point to making this.
 
The partner angle may be the way to go... it could be that every space sector has two Lanterns - one more experience who teaches the new guy... This way we could have Abin Sur having taught John Stewart... Abin dies and his ring finds the younger Hal Jordan, who Stewart then teaches.
This scenario also allows for a Lantern from 2814 to be in the sector whilst the other is away on Oa or be away attending to some other problem in the universe.
It would also work the other way around - old Hal and young John, but thought it'd be nice to see someone like Denzel Washington kicking butt as an older, wiser John Stewart.
 
For myself...

I am on record saying that the Reynolds film's biggest sin isn't that it's some horrible abomination. It's just thoroughly forgettable because it's so bland. It's the NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC compilation of super hero films. Paint by numbers all around, which is saying something cuz when it comes to super heroes in general there's a lot of tropes/cliches already.

I don't know if we'll get Hal, I don't know if it'll be John, or a combo. In either case what should be important when it comes to a film featuring them as main protagonists is this: What does it mean to be a Green Lantern, and how does that play into the characterization that we see?

Delve into that and you are ahead of the game. We all know the lore. A GL is chosen via a technology billions of years in advance of our own, tapping into the very will to live of all sentient beings in the universe. To be chosen means that the candidate must have great will power, be honest and have great control over their fear, i.e. be "fearless".

Well what does that mean for a character? How is that expressed to the audience? Surprisingly I think naturally this could make a person like Hal Jordan or John Stewart unlikable from time to time. A person that is fearless and honest all the time might get on your nerves or at least be hard to be around sometimes. When your lady friend asks you if the clothes she's got on makes her look fat, if you want her to remain your lady friend a lot of us are all, "No... NO. You look great in that." Hal Jordan? Well, he's gonna tell you the truth and he's fearless in facing the consequences. These are defining aspects of such a character and you have to find some way to make those aspects come through in a three dimensional way in live action film. One thing really bungled in the 2011 film was that. I mean, we actually had a GL film where Hal Jordan does the "I don't know if I can do this" BS of so many other super hero films. The last character who in his first film that should have pre-game jitters is HAL JORDAN.

I think that if we get a new Sinestro (and explore the additions Johns made to the mythos) then this becomes even more incumbent on the story, to explore what it means to be a GL. Remember, it's the morality of Sinestro that separates him from Hal/John/Kyle/Guy. Being honest, fearless with great will has less to do with ethics than we would like to believe. Characters that are the antagonists/villains are no less steadfast in their beliefs or incapable of great acts of will or courage than the heroes. Sinsestro honestly believes himself in the right. Show that. Show that the villain is capable and as driven as the hero.

So that's one thing. While I can agree that a good way to go is indeed the "en media res" route, with the Earth GL chosen and active and already trained showing the newly minted human GL the Ropes. That said, I can also see a bit of a rehash of the origin so that we could get something the Reynolds film failed to do: Give us a good training sequence that helps to further define the hero's powers and personality. One of my fave additions to the mythos is Johns saying "Yeah, nobody can just pick up the ring an go toe to toe with a Manhunter army. Being a GL is being a badass that uses a weapon that literally takes your all to control and master." Maybe we need a good chunk of the film to be about his training, just to help the audience grasp that as well as further delineate the character(s). If we treat the GLC as a military service then look no further than films about any nation's armed forces to see the beats such a film might ape. You have induction, training, and then at some point you send the characters off to some conflict where seeds laid in the first two thirds often pay off. I also think that maybe something showing the day to day grind of being a GL would help. That sort of HILL STREET BLUES vibe only with "space cops". The Guardians view things with the eyes of immortal beings that are only slightly younger than the universe itself, but the rank and file GL's are creatures just doing a job. Plus with that sort of feel you can have some fun as well as give the audience something they can easily wrap their heads around. For all it's mysterious alien nature, Oa is essentially the main precinct for a pan-universal police force. Show it like that.

I think it goes without saying that most fans would like to see a GLC film that focuses on events in space rather than Earth. So I will just add my voice to that chorus.

Another thing that needed more definition (and thus perhaps some exposition or a montage giving us an idea of their past) is The Guardians themselves. They were far too mysterious and voiceless in the Reynolds movie. I don't know if you go with a Ganthet as a more approachable Guardian or what, but they have to be and do more in the film's story than sit in some comically high chairs.

Now as for the powers of the ring itself? Yeah, they need to REALLY NEED to put GL into that Superman bad ass level of power as we saw in MAN OF STEEL. Show that it's not just making cute green objects. Show that it truly lives up to the title "Most Powerful Weapon In The Universe"... And don't shirk on that in subsequent films, which is to say, no BS Batman defeats GL in a yellow suit or palms the ring off him. :cwink: Batman is an extraordinary individual but Goddamnit, so is GL. Don't job out the character in any way just to make an already popular character look good.

Those are just my baseline thoughts having pondered the GL film from 2011 for so long.
 
For me the tone should be a little bit like Duke Nukem/starship troopers.
 
For myself...

I am on record saying that the Reynolds film's biggest sin isn't that it's some horrible abomination. It's just thoroughly forgettable because it's so bland. It's the NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC compilation of super hero films. Paint by numbers all around, which is saying something cuz when it comes to super heroes in general there's a lot of tropes/cliches already.

I don't know if we'll get Hal, I don't know if it'll be John, or a combo. In either case what should be important when it comes to a film featuring them as main protagonists is this: What does it mean to be a Green Lantern, and how does that play into the characterization that we see?

Delve into that and you are ahead of the game. We all know the lore. A GL is chosen via a technology billions of years in advance of our own, tapping into the very will to live of all sentient beings in the universe. To be chosen means that the candidate must have great will power, be honest and have great control over their fear, i.e. be "fearless".

Well what does that mean for a character? How is that expressed to the audience? Surprisingly I think naturally this could make a person like Hal Jordan or John Stewart unlikable from time to time. A person that is fearless and honest all the time might get on your nerves or at least be hard to be around sometimes. When your lady friend asks you if the clothes she's got on makes her look fat, if you want her to remain your lady friend a lot of us are all, "No... NO. You look great in that." Hal Jordan? Well, he's gonna tell you the truth and he's fearless in facing the consequences. These are defining aspects of such a character and you have to find some way to make those aspects come through in a three dimensional way in live action film. One thing really bungled in the 2011 film was that. I mean, we actually had a GL film where Hal Jordan does the "I don't know if I can do this" BS of so many other super hero films. The last character who in his first film that should have pre-game jitters is HAL JORDAN.

I think that if we get a new Sinestro (and explore the additions Johns made to the mythos) then this becomes even more incumbent on the story, to explore what it means to be a GL. Remember, it's the morality of Sinestro that separates him from Hal/John/Kyle/Guy. Being honest, fearless with great will has less to do with ethics than we would like to believe. Characters that are the antagonists/villains are no less steadfast in their beliefs or incapable of great acts of will or courage than the heroes. Sinsestro honestly believes himself in the right. Show that. Show that the villain is capable and as driven as the hero.

So that's one thing. While I can agree that a good way to go is indeed the "en media res" route, with the Earth GL chosen and active and already trained showing the newly minted human GL the Ropes. That said, I can also see a bit of a rehash of the origin so that we could get something the Reynolds film failed to do: Give us a good training sequence that helps to further define the hero's powers and personality. One of my fave additions to the mythos is Johns saying "Yeah, nobody can just pick up the ring an go toe to toe with a Manhunter army. Being a GL is being a badass that uses a weapon that literally takes your all to control and master." Maybe we need a good chunk of the film to be about his training, just to help the audience grasp that as well as further delineate the character(s). If we treat the GLC as a military service then look no further than films about any nation's armed forces to see the beats such a film might ape. You have induction, training, and then at some point you send the characters off to some conflict where seeds laid in the first two thirds often pay off. I also think that maybe something showing the day to day grind of being a GL would help. That sort of HILL STREET BLUES vibe only with "space cops". The Guardians view things with the eyes of immortal beings that are only slightly younger than the universe itself, but the rank and file GL's are creatures just doing a job. Plus with that sort of feel you can have some fun as well as give the audience something they can easily wrap their heads around. For all it's mysterious alien nature, Oa is essentially the main precinct for a pan-universal police force. Show it like that.

I think it goes without saying that most fans would like to see a GLC film that focuses on events in space rather than Earth. So I will just add my voice to that chorus.

Another thing that needed more definition (and thus perhaps some exposition or a montage giving us an idea of their past) is The Guardians themselves. They were far too mysterious and voiceless in the Reynolds movie. I don't know if you go with a Ganthet as a more approachable Guardian or what, but they have to be and do more in the film's story than sit in some comically high chairs.

Now as for the powers of the ring itself? Yeah, they need to REALLY NEED to put GL into that Superman bad ass level of power as we saw in MAN OF STEEL. Show that it's not just making cute green objects. Show that it truly lives up to the title "Most Powerful Weapon In The Universe"... And don't shirk on that in subsequent films, which is to say, no BS Batman defeats GL in a yellow suit or palms the ring off him. :cwink: Batman is an extraordinary individual but Goddamnit, so is GL. Don't job out the character in any way just to make an already popular character look good.

Those are just my baseline thoughts having pondered the GL film from 2011 for so long.

****, you should put this kite in the mail and make sure the execs at WB get it. Very well said.
 
So should Hal be a veteran GL, or new to the service?

I think it'd be kinda funny if Hal never spent a lot of time on Earth as a GL due to it not having much alien troubles prior to MOS.

Then returns to Earth finding all the weird metahuman s** that's happened since he left.
 
New. I just won't buy it if he is a veteran and never once came back to help protecting his home planet during any of the times it was in danger.
 
New. I just won't buy it if he is a veteran and never once came back to help protecting his home planet during any of the times it was in danger.

That's kind of the whole point of the veteran approach, though, Hal returns because of Earth's sudden thrust into the universe of extraterrestrial threats. His absence not only goes along with the traditional portrayal of the Guardians flawed leadership, but also provides an interesting arc for Hal to deal with.
 
Hal never listens to what the Guardians tell him to do or where to go. If his home world was in danger, he would've always went back to help. Earth is attacked by the army of the biggest dictator in the universe and Hal doesn't bother showing up? That goes against everything the character stands for.
 
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Hal never listens to what the Guardians tell him to do or where to go. If his home world was in danger, he would've always went back to help. Earth is attacked by the army of the biggest dictator in the universe and Hal doesn't bother showing up? That goes against everything the character stands for.

Well, we still don't know for certain the plot of Justice League. Personally, I'm confident that an invasion by Darkseid will be what draws a veteran Hal back to Earth. It just makes sense that way.
 

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