Gunman kills 5 in Alabama, another kills 15 in Germany

[terry78]

What the **** is up these days with the guns? You can say whatever you want about rights and what not, but guns make this **** too easy.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_re_eu/eu_germany_school_attack
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090311/ap_on_re_us/south_alabama_shootings

 

[Eggyman]

Word. You can't savour all the lil... emotions.

 

[huskerwebhead]

Only in Americ.....wait...

 

[Mr.Webs]

Word. You can't savour all the lil... emotions.

That is completley inappropriate.

But, I still smiled.

 

[The Lizard]

Only in Americ.....wait...

beat me to it

 

[Spider-Who?]

Yes. If only we took away all the guns, there would be no more murder. No more crime. No more tears.

People have been murdering eachother since the dawn of time. And they've been doing it quite easily without guns for far longer then with.

Without guns, people are still going to murder. It'll just be with different weapons. Knives, bats, homemade explosives, hell even taking it back to the basics: a huge freaking rock.

Guns do not change a person's desire, intent, and ability to kill. And a lack of guns certainly won't change that either.

 

[terry78]

If a mother****er has a knife, I bet you he only gets to off about 1 or two people in one sitting before he gets overpowered. I don't care about the will to kill, I care about lowering the body count in ratio to one person.

 

[chamber-music]

Some people really must hate high school, its happened a few time now that the gunmen had already graduated and then came back to kill people

 

[Raiden]

This is a terrible tragedy, and it's hard to fathom why any person would murder his own mother, along with his relatives, and then mow down innocent people including a 18-month-old child. But I guess you can't reason with individuals who are mentally deranged.

 

[thewhyteman]

Yes. If only we took away all the guns, there would be no more murder. No more crime. No more tears.

People have been murdering eachother since the dawn of time. And they've been doing it quite easily without guns for far longer then with.

Without guns, people are still going to murder. It'll just be with different weapons. Knives, bats, homemade explosives, hell even taking it back to the basics: a huge freaking rock.

Guns do not change a person's desire, intent, and ability to kill. And a lack of guns certainly won't change that either.

You are Correct Sir.. I cant stand when people say, "What is going on these days" and "what is the world coming too?"
People who utter those words are just baring witness to the true self of humanity. It is ugly just as it is beautiful.

If a mother****er has a knife, I bet you he only gets to off about 1 or two people in one sitting before he gets overpowered. I don't care about the will to kill, I care about lowering the body count in ratio to one person.

This is so ignorant. There is a term called bystander effect. It says the more people that are present during a situation as you described, the less likely someone will stop that person and "overpower" him. So someone on a mass killing spree with a knife could still kill and and injure many people. A person wielding a large kitchen knife or sword in a crowded shopping mall could dispatch many people.

 

[Majic Walrus]

Yes. If only we took away all the guns, there would be no more murder. No more crime. No more tears.

People have been murdering eachother since the dawn of time. And they've been doing it quite easily without guns for far longer then with.


Without guns, people are still going to murder. It'll just be with different weapons. Knives, bats, homemade explosives, hell even taking it back to the basics: a huge freaking rock.

Guns do not change a person's desire, intent, and ability to kill. And a lack of guns certainly won't change that either.

QFT!

If a mother****er has a knife, I bet you he only gets to off about 1 or two people in one sitting before he gets overpowered. I don't care about the will to kill, I care about lowering the body count in ratio to one person.

Much along the same line as what thewhyteman says there is actually no evidence to support that guns cause a higher body count than a lack of guns. In fact many serial killers shy away from guns and do more damage with a knife or even in some cases their bare hands.

Does a gun increase the likely hood of a higher body count? That is very difficult to prove positive one way or the other. Regardless the civil liberties and freedoms we would lose in the US are far greater than the possibility of a few less people dying.

You wouldn't ban dating because that's when most date rapes occur would you?

 

[SLVRSR4]

As much as I hate communism you don't hear about many shootings happening in China, but that could be because they censor the media.

 

[terry78]

Yeah, I know you characters love your guns and what not, but i grew up in a more inner city urban sprawl environment, so my stance on guns stems from that. It won't be changing no time soon, so just agree to disagree in that respect. I ain't one of those "hunting, protect my property" type of guys.

 

[Addendum]

Pass all the laws you want, the black market will always thrive

 

[Cunning Stunts]

Up that Gunman's number to 10. Including his mother, whom he burned in her home.

Guns won't stop idiocy and malicious intent. Or the attention-seeking revenge that bring about school shooters.

 

[Spider-Who?]

If a mother****er has a knife, I bet you he only gets to off about 1 or two people in one sitting before he gets overpowered. I don't care about the will to kill, I care about lowering the body count in ratio to one person.

I'll give you the point that a person with a gun does have the "ability" to wound more people then without.

But my original point stands valid. Taking guns away won't change a thing. Infact, I believe that taking guns away (at least in our current society) will make things WORSE for a time...

There would be a huge battle in removing guns off the streets and out of homes and those (unfortunatly) those hellbent few will go out firing before handing in their weapons.

It will also make criminals who own guns illegally less worried about pulling thier guns out in a crowd, or break into a home, since they know that guns are out lawed and no one will be armed for protection.

I fully believe that if guns were to be outlawed, there would be a dramatic increase in crime and death.

All that being said, I am not a "NRA, gun-loving, red neck". I spent much of my life i nthe city as well. I do own a gun. I believe in the right, and the need for personal protection. However, I do believe that not everyone should have that right. I believe that there should be very strict laws concerning gun ownership, and it should be easier for ownership to be taken away.

Owning a gun is a VERY serious affair, and unfortunatly, not everyone is capable of handling the responsibility of owning such a weapon. Not everyone deserves that right, but that doesnt mean the right to bear arms is wrong or should be taken away.

 

[Immortalfire]

This is quite horrible

 

[Spidey-Bat]

If a mother****er has a knife, I bet you he only gets to off about 1 or two people in one sitting before he gets overpowered. I don't care about the will to kill, I care about lowering the body count in ratio to one person.

You can kill people with a knife pretty quickly. 2-3 stabs to the torso or just a slice of the throat. I don't think a lot, if any, people would try to overpower someone if they had a knife.

 

[Addendum]

And besides, it's easy to sit at a computer and type out what one thinks they'll do in a situation where someone has a weapon (be it a knife or a gun), as opposed to actually being in that situation

 

[Spidey-Bat]

And besides, it's easy to sit at a computer and type out what one thinks they'll do in a situation where someone has a weapon (be it a knife or a gun), as opposed to actually being in that situation

It's safe to say all of us would get the **** out of there as soon as possible.

 

[November Rain]

Yes. If only we took away all the guns, there would be no more murder. No more crime. No more tears.

People have been murdering eachother since the dawn of time. And they've been doing it quite easily without guns for far longer then with.

Without guns, people are still going to murder. It'll just be with different weapons. Knives, bats, homemade explosives, hell even taking it back to the basics: a huge freaking rock.

Guns do not change a person's desire, intent, and ability to kill. And a lack of guns certainly won't change that either.

it will however reduce and limit the amount of people they can kill within a given time

how many stories do you hear about a crazy kid with a knife killing 15 kids.

after a couple of stabs, he'd get floored, maybe 2 fatalities max.

i know i would rather take my chances with a dude with a rock than with a gun, which one would you rather have?

hey, let's legalise and sell bazookas, if a kid walks into school with one and starts shooting up the place, we won't be liable since someone will say 'bazookas don't kill people, people kill people'.

sure it won;t help on its own, but you can't deny it won't be effective without some additional community outreach and a better relationship between kids, their parents, peers and communities. If you started giving a crap about the people you live around, you're less inclined to want to shoot them up, no matter how pissed off you are.

 

[Addendum]

Gun laws have zero effect on someone obtaining a gun through illegal means.

 

[The Spawn]

Terry78 said guns make it too easy, not that guns is the cause of ALL of it...what the hell is up with you guys arguing about taking away guns won't take away crime all of a sudden?

 

[Addendum]

Guns laws only take away guns from law-abiding citizens. Whenever a city has a gun drive (where citizens turn in their guns and receive some coupons or gift certificates) does anyone seriously think that someone who has gotten their gun through illegal means will actually take it to the gun drive, which is generally overseen and staffed with the local police force, and turn it in?

 

[Spidey-Bat]

hey, let's legalise and sell bazookas, if a kid walks into school with one and starts shooting up the place, we won't be liable since someone will say 'bazookas don't kill people, people kill people'.

Way to use such an extreme example that it's completely irrelevant.

BTW, the issue is gun control; not weapons in general.

If you started giving a crap about the people you live around, you're less inclined to want to shoot them up, no matter how pissed off you are.

Most people are murdered by people who know them.

Terry78 said guns make it too easy, not that guns is the cause of ALL of it...what the hell is up with you guys arguing about taking away guns won't take away crime all of a sudden?

As Addendum said, you're just taking guns away from law-abiding citizens. Criminals don't obey the law hence why they are criminals. As the saying goes "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns." People assume that guns are only meant to be used offensively and it's not true. Guns are a form of defense.