Ha! I Just Noticed Something!

[DACMAN]

Ok. I might be the biggest Spider-Man fan ever. Seriously. Don't believe me? I watch the movie (all three) at least once a month. Well I was watching them again and something just occured to me.

Mary Jane was saved by Spider-Man when she fell at Time Square which was witnessed by hundreds of people (if not thousands or even millions on TV). She was then later saved by Spider-Man at the bridge which was witnessed by hundreds of people.

She was then saved by Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 at the end from Doc Ock which is known to many people from the police to the Bugle staff. So it's safe to assume the Bugle (if not many others) had an article on the fact MJ was saved by Spider-Man.

And she was saved once more in front of millions of people since it was all over the news that she had been captured by the Sandman and Venom.

But during the broadcast they simply say "The hostage has been identified as Mary Jane Watson. An actress recently seen on a brief stint on Broadway." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNxjYWisY3A

Shouldn't they have said "The hostage has been identified as Mary Jane Watson! The same young woman that Spider-Man saved during the attack by the Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus! We are unsure why this young lady seems to attract danger, but our prayers are with her now." Or something.

She's been a public "save me" girl for Spider-Man three times now and they don't make the connection? Really?

Just a thought.

 

[sauronthegreat]

Just a poor screenplay for me.

From the beginning when Raimi switched the name of Gwen Stacy for Mary Jane, he made one of his biggest mistakes. He doesn't even think of a possibility to put some depth in the story aside from that a bad guy becomes the villain and kidnaps Mary Jane, who is eventually saved in the end by Spider-Man. It really is ******ed! The new animated show has invented the word "creative" in terms of character approach, action, storytelling, and continuity that the screenwriters of a 300million budget film should learn from.
The story of Peter Parker Spider-Man was destroyed the moment (and I am not mentioning the Goblin this time!!!) Mary Jane took Gwen's place. But she even replaced her in every aspect. Mary Jane has Gwen's character traits and the other way around. Even when they realized that Kirsten doesn't look good with red hair they made her... orange! And now we have ultra sexy Gwen and a whiny damsel in distress Mary Jane. But the worst part is that Gwen cannot be killed by anyone else but the Green Goblin, because it would be too a radical move. And now the screenwriters find themselves in a dead-end. And no matter that the films are garbage they will continue on with stupid stories and even more stupid resolutions to those stories.
I don't deny it, I like Spider-man most of all other super heroes, and it pains me how the films turned out to be... but even worse thing is that they are praised by the general public and the writers don't even think of straying from that path of stupidity. Some things are done that cannot be undone. And a long time should pass before we get a solid remake. Just like Batman did. I really hope that one day, all those money makers will realize the revolution the Dark Knight represents for this newly formed genre. And I would even give the project to Greg Weisman, it's not hard to notice when someone does things with passion and true love.

 

[Spider-Man '92]

I thought of something similar. I watched SM3 recently, and thought, any smart person would make the connection that MJ and Spidey have a thing. They would look at who MJ is dating, and immediately make the connection, right? ... Obviously not.

 

[Venom75]

Just once I'd like to see MJ save Spidey. Everytime she's captured she really hasn't done much but scream and almost get killed. The only times that she really tried help Spidey was when she dropped that concrete block on Venom in Spider-man 3,and in Spidey 2 when she grabbed that piece of metal or wood and tried to bash Ock. Both times didn't really do anything of course,but at least it was an effort on her part to try and help.

 

[Spider-Man '92]

^^ In my opinion, how 'bout an ending without MJ being in peril. The ending of SM3 was originally supposed to have Gwen being in peril. That would've been interesting.

 

[MrShifty]

^and it should have been Gwen. I don't know why they didn't keep it like that.

Doesn't it make more sense. I mean Gwen did have an impact on the movie until the ending where she just got dropped from the film.

It would make more sense for Eddie Brock to go after someone who actually hurt him in his mind. THAT'S IN CHARACTER. Kidnapping someone innocent is not in character. Instead of Venom we got a black Carnage. Eddie Brock is out for revenge, that's his motivation. Keep it like that.

Smh at Mj being kidnapped in that movie. Poor poor screenwriting

 

[DACMAN]

Plus he thought Peter "stole" his girl. He thought Peter and Gwen were dating. Why would he go after MJ when he thought Peter and Gwen were dating? How did he even know about MJ in the first place?

 

[Jack Ups]

TBH, I would of liked to see somthing follwing up with JJ or the Bugle staff that Mj ran out of John Jameson's wedding so she could be with peter lol.

 

[Eggyman]

Plus he thought Peter "stole" his girl. He thought Peter and Gwen were dating. Why would he go after MJ when he thought Peter and Gwen were dating? How did he even know about MJ in the first place?

The symbiote passes on the knowledge. Doesn't make sense, I know.

 

[Venom 1988]

The symbiote passes on the knowledge. Doesn't make sense, I know.

But only the fans know that, they never explained it in the movie. So Regular Joes were probably like "Wait what!?"

 

[DACMAN]

Right, exactly.

 

[Eggyman]

Hey good point. Nice avy. What's for tea?

It's quite a plot hole now that I think about it . . .

 

[FNSpidey]

And she was saved once more in front of millions of people since it was all over the news that she had been captured by the Sandman and Venom.

But during the broadcast they simply say "The hostage has been identified as Mary Jane Watson. An actress recently seen on a brief stint on Broadway."

How could being saved from Sandman and Venom have any impact on what's happening before she's saved?

Anyway, even if she had been identified in any of the previous occasions (of which I think Times Square shouldn't even count, would that little boy also be identified too?), the reporter could go on: "Ironically, the very same Mary Jane Watson was present in a previous incident..." or something like that. But we're not shown anymore of the news clip, since Peter leaves in a hurry.

So, where exactly is the plothole? Should we see the whole news broadcast along with possible motives for Sandman and Venom and analysis of how this incident relates to Spider-man's previous public appearances? What is it with some people and SM3?

How does Batman find Harvey Dent after he's kidnapped the Joker goon in the ambulance? Do you see a whole topic in the TDK forums analyzing how serious that plothole is? Which, I have to say, does actually have an impact to the story, unlike what's being discussed here.

P.S.: About Venom kidnapping MJ. Eddie knows Spider-man is Peter. Is it really that great a secret who somebody's dating? The symbiote passing on knowledge is just an easter egg for the fans, the general audience doesn't need to know that and probably doesn't care. And why would he kidnap Gwen if he's supposedly "in love" with her? He just wants to hurt Peter, as he hurt him. Besides, Gwen kind of rejected him even before Peter and he didn't go after her.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Spider-man saves lots of people

the general public isn't going to go looking into that this one girl happen to be saved by him more then once
and they was like a year in between each of those evens, no ones going to remember or care that she was the one who was taken hostage a year ago

I mean, that’s like saying, because, doc ock took Aunt May hostage, and spider-man saved her, people most of figured out that she's his aunt

Anyway, you can hardly use this as an plot hole, argument against the movie, as this is just one of those classic comic book situations, that have just become kinda a running gag over the years

 

[The Joker]

I mean, that’s like saying, because, doc ock took Aunt May hostage, and spider-man saved her, people most of figured out that she's his aunt

That's different. Aunt May was a victim of circumstance, as many witnesses at the bank, including the Police themselves, can attest to when Ock randomly grabbed her from the crowd when the Police accosted him with guns.

MJ was deliberately seeked out and taken three times in a row by super villains to be used as bait in order to get Spider-Man.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

MJ was deliberately seeked out and taken three times in a row by super villains to be used as bait in order to get Spider-Man.

how do they know she was deliberately seeked out, she could of just been a victim of circumstance, too, as far as they knew

as for in 3, he could of picked her cause he knew people would recognize her from her "brief stint on Broadway"

 

[The Joker]

how do they know she was deliberately seeked out, she could of just been a victim of circumstance, too, as far as they knew

People on the bridge see her in her pyjamas being dangled by the Goblin in front of Spider-Man. People in the cafe and on the street see her being carted off by Doc Ock. She's shown on the news in the Taxi in Venom's web. And people are supposed to think that every time a super villain surfaces to get Spider-Man, MJ just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?

as for in 3, he could of picked her cause he knew people would recognize her from her "brief stint on Broadway"

What difference would it make if she was recognised or not? An innocent is an innocent. If they wanted someone recognisable as a hostage, they would have picked someone like the Mayor, or Captain Stacy. Not a washed up actress who was slammed by the critics after ONE singing performance.

Hardly a face everyone is going to recognise.

 

[DACMAN]

how do they know she was deliberately seeked out, she could of just been a victim of circumstance, too, as far as they knew

Three times in a row?

as for in 3, he could of picked her cause he knew people would recognize her from her "brief stint on Broadway

First off why would Venom kidnap someone in hopes people might recognize her? And second, if you're going to kidnap someone in hopes that alot of people might recognize that person (for whatever fricken reason) I don't think you are going to go after someone that didn't even finish their time in a Broadway show.

 

[[A]]

Ok. I might be the biggest Spider-Man fan ever. Seriously. Don't believe me? I watch the movie (all three) at least once a month. Well I was watching them again and something just occured to me.(...)

Haha you're absolutely right. Never thought of that (never thought of anything, actually)

 

[DACMAN]

How could being saved from Sandman and Venom have any impact on what's happening before she's saved?

Does anyone undstand what the heck he's saying? If you do please explain.

Anyway, even if she had been identified in any of the previous occasions (of which I think Times Square shouldn't even count, would that little boy also be identified too?)

If he goes on to be saved by Spider-Man three more times in a big public spectacle, yes.

the reporter could go on: "Ironically, the very same Mary Jane Watson was present in a previous incident..." or something like that. But we're not shown anymore of the news clip, since Peter leaves in a hurry.

We heard them say Mary Jane Watson, which at that point had pretty much become synonymous with "Spider-Man save me from these supervillians!" And you have to assume alot to come to that conclusion

So, where exactly is the plothole? Should we see the whole news broadcast along with possible motives for Sandman and Venom and analysis of how this incident relates to Spider-man's previous public appearances? What is it with some people and SM3?

How does Batman find Harvey Dent after he's kidnapped the Joker goon in the ambulance? Do you see a whole topic in the TDK forums analyzing how serious that plothole is? Which, I have to say, does actually have an impact to the story, unlike what's being discussed here.

How does Eddie know that MJ and Peter are dating? And how does he find her? There are a million plot holes. And if he didn't know they were dating the entire end scene would have been different. It's obvious they originally had Gwen in the end and not MJ. They just threw her in at the last minute.

P.S.: About Venom kidnapping MJ. Eddie knows Spider-man is Peter. Is it really that great a secret who somebody's dating? The symbiote passing on knowledge is just an easter egg for the fans, the general audience doesn't need to know that and probably doesn't care. And why would he kidnap Gwen if he's supposedly "in love" with her? He just wants to hurt Peter, as he hurt him. Besides, Gwen kind of rejected him even before Peter and he didn't go after her.

Then why did Eddie say "You made me loose my girl." And why would Eddie think they are still dating when she broke up with Peter before he got ride of the suit? The symbiote wouldn't think they are dating. None of your answers make sense.

 

[DACMAN]

People on the bridge see her in her pyjamas being dangled by the Goblin in front of Spider-Man. People in the cafe and on the street see her being carted off by Doc Ock. She's shown on the news in the Taxi in Venom's web. And people are supposed to think that every time a super villain surfaces to get Spider-Man, MJ just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?



What difference would it make if she was recognised or not? An innocent is an innocent. If they wanted someone recognisable as a hostage, they would have picked someone like the Mayor, or Captain Stacy. Not a washed up actress who was slammed by the critics after ONE singing performance.

Hardly a face everyone is going to recognise.

Right. Well said.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Three times in a row?

like I said early, its not like it was all in the same week, there was quite same time in between each event
she was not necessarily recognized by anyone who saw her at the bridge.
anyone who did actually get close enough see her, wouldn't of known who she was

then like a year later, people (most likely different people) saw Doc Ock taking her, cause, she was with Peter (not cause she was connected to spider-man) they hear him tell Peter to find Spider-man for him

What difference would it make if she was recognised or not?

cause, someone recognizable, would more likely make the news
(or maybe she was just the targeted, cause, she is pretty)

if anything, people would more likely make the connection that she is the girlfriend of the photographer who takes spider-man picture, and that he might know how to contact spider-man (like why Doc Ock, took her)

Then why did Eddie say "You made me loose my girl." And why would Eddie think they are still dating when she broke up with Peter before he got ride of the suit? The symbiote wouldn't think they are dating. None of your answers make sense.

rather if they broke up or not, the symbiote knew that he was still in love with her

 

[The Joker]

like I said early, its not like it was all in the same week, there was quite same time in between each event
she was not necessarily recognized by anyone who saw her at the bridge.
anyone who did actually get close enough see her, wouldn't of known who she was

then like a year later, people (most likely different people) saw Doc Ock taking her, cause, she was with Peter (not cause she was connected to spider-man) they hear him tell Peter to find Spider-man for him

People wouldn't have to recognise her on the spot. Each incident would have generated huge news headlines. How often is someone abducted by a super villain? Let alone three times. You think that wouldn't be big news?

And of course, the Police would have files on each incident. They alone should be thoroughly suspicious that MJ was involved in all three incidents as the hostage.

cause, someone recognizable, would more likely make the news

A super villain will ALWAYS make the news regardless who they have taken hostage. This isn't some thug robbing a liquour store. It's a super villain. Or in this case, two super villains.

(or maybe she was just the targeted, cause, she is pretty)

Gosh, if that was the case they should have picked Gwen Stacy then. Daughter of the Police Captain, and 10 times prettier than MJ.

But they didn't pick MJ because of that, and we both know it.

if anything, people would more likely make the connection that she is the girlfriend of the photographer who takes spider-man picture, and that he might know how to contact spider-man (like why Doc Ock, took her)

Spider-Man would have to be living under a rock not to hear on the news that MJ has been abducted. And nobody knows the reason why Doc Ock took her. Or it could be argued that he took her because New York thought Spider-Man had quit at the time, and Ock was forcing him out of retirement to face him. She wasn't Peter's girlfriend in SM-1 or SM-2 when she was kidnapped. Heck, she wasn't his girlfriend at the time when she was kidnapped in SM-3. They were broken up. And in SM-2, a big public announcement was made that she was marrying John Jameson.

MJ was not affiliated with Peter at any of those times. They're not even living together.

 

[Venom75]

Movie wise it gets boring and predictable,but it does make perfect sense for MJ to always be kidnapped,as far as the "real" world is concerned. What better way to get back at Peter/Spidey than threatening the love of his life? I'm sure it would do more damage to Peter to live without Mary Jane,then to even lose his own life. But,everyone here is right. Someone would eventually figure it out(who Spidey really is).
Brock should also be pissed at Gwen Stacy for "turning" him down,but I'm sure there's still feelings there,for her. But she would still be second on Brock revenge list. As far as Peter Parker is concerned,it's pure hatred. He's Brock no. 1 enemy.

 

[DACMAN]

People wouldn't have to recognise her on the spot. Each incident would have generated huge news headlines. How often is someone abducted by a super villain? Let alone three times. You think that wouldn't be big news?

And of course, the Police would have files on each incident. They alone should be thoroughly suspicious that MJ was involved in all three incidents as the hostage.



A super villain will ALWAYS make the news regardless who they have taken hostage. This isn't some thug robbing a liquour store. It's a super villain. Or in this case, two super villains.



Gosh, if that was the case they should have picked Gwen Stacy then. Daughter of the Police Captain, and 10 times prettier than MJ.

But they didn't pick MJ because of that, and we both know it.



Spider-Man would have to be living under a rock not to hear on the news that MJ has been abducted. And nobody knows the reason why Doc Ock took her. Or it could be argued that he took her because New York thought Spider-Man had quit at the time, and Ock was forcing him out of retirement to face him. She wasn't Peter's girlfriend in SM-1 or SM-2 when she was kidnapped. Heck, she wasn't his girlfriend at the time when she was kidnapped in SM-3. They were broken up. And in SM-2, a big public announcement was made that she was marrying John Jameson.

MJ was not affiliated with Peter at any of those times. They're not even living together.

Saved me the trouble