Harry Potter & The Deathly Hallows - Part 2

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[Thundercrack85]

I believe it was Hermione in DH (may have been someone else) who says "Oh thank God." in the book of Deathly Hallows. Someone definitely did because I remember thinking how almost offhand but completely deliberate the line's inclusion was.

Well most British people are deists, so it could be just about anyone.

 

[Speedball]

DAMN YOU THREAD MANAGER!

 

[SuperBatman]

Just Finished up watching Half Blood Prince I think this film really gets a bad rap. Everybody I know doesn't feel it to be a good movie but I disagree. Now I'm ready to see both The Deathly Hallows Part 1 and Part 2 tomorrow in the theater.

 

[Victarion]

Speedball, some fans may want to consider Fanfiction.net for consolation once the movie is over.

Others like me will look for a dramatic reading of My Immortal.

EDIT: I felt HBP to be a good movie--stellar adaption when you look at some of the adaptions of Steve King's stuff--but some scenes seemed pointless. Chiefly the flirting at the beginning with the cashier at the cafe. Seems like that time could've been better utilized in a memory scene explaining Voldemort's reason for his hatred of muggles etc.

 

[Liam_H]

Just Finished up watching Half Blood Prince I think this film really gets a bad rap. Everybody I know doesn't feel it to be a good movie but I disagree. Now I'm ready to see both The Deathly Hallows Part 1 and Part 2 tomorrow in the theater.

Its not terrible but a lot of interesting things were left out in favor of the rom-com stuff. Even other things such as the attack on the burrow or destroying the muggle bridge seemed like it had no effect. I personally disliked how they skimmed over the revelation of Voldemort having Horcruxes and what they could possibly be. It just went by so quick, I would've liked it to have more emphasis.

 

[Hush]

I hate the burning of the Burrow because it makes no ****ing sense and is added in for no damn reason. HBP kinda sucked but it was good enough to were it balances out. I prefer OOTP over all the movies with COS and SS coming in second and third respectivly and POA at the bottom of the list. I know people flame me for that all the time but that movie made me dislike the book and it was my favorit at the time. I just felt like it could have been so much more and it wasn't.

 

[Sawyer]

POA..... at the bottom?!

That's like.... going to a bar, finding the most beautiful girl there, calling her an ugly **** and storming out.

 

[Liam_H]

I hate the burning of the Burrow because it makes no ****ing sense and is added in for no damn reason. HBP kinda sucked but it was good enough to were it balances out. I prefer OOTP over all the movies with COS and SS coming in second and third respectivly and POA at the bottom of the list. I know people flame me for that all the time but that movie made me dislike the book and it was my favorit at the time. I just felt like it could have been so much more and it wasn't.

Your right that POA could have been better with a few slight things but it is still pretty good. Curious to know how you can dislike it so much. GOF is pretty bad to me despite being my favorite book.

 

[Marvolo]

POA..... at the bottom?!

That's like.... going to a bar, finding the most beautiful girl there, calling her an ugly **** and storming out.

Oh, POA is beautiful that's for sure, but has no brains. Some of the adaption choice in that film are absolutely ludicrus. I enjoy the film, but Curaon seemed more interested in making a pretty artistic film than finishing some storylines.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Just Finished up watching Half Blood Prince I think this film really gets a bad rap. Everybody I know doesn't feel it to be a good movie but I disagree. Now I'm ready to see both The Deathly Hallows Part 1 and Part 2 tomorrow in the theater.

I think HBP is the second best in the series.


I find POA to be the second worst.

 

[Speedball]

I'm not coming in here until this POS trollfest ends and before this = happens to me.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

The thing about Half Blood Prince is that I just see it as an extended prelude. Pretty much the last calm before the storm, which ends with Dumbledore's death.

I don't find it to be a bad thing however.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I find POA to be the second worst.

I'm disappointed in you.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hate the burning of the Burrow because it makes no ****ing sense and is added in for no damn reason. HBP kinda sucked but it was good enough to were it balances out. I prefer OOTP over all the movies with COS and SS coming in second and third respectivly and POA at the bottom of the list. I know people flame me for that all the time but that movie made me dislike the book and it was my favorit at the time. I just felt like it could have been so much more and it wasn't.

I am big fan of OoTP. Second only to PoA.

When I first saw PoA, I was confused by it, to the point of disliking it quite a bit. It felt... wrong. Over the years it dawned on me why I felt that way. I don't think much of the Potter books in an "all time favorites" sort of way. The one exception being PoA. I love every word of the book. I wanted my Potter/Granger fight. I wanted Harry winning the Cup. I wanted every last bit of the Shrieking Shack. Why is all that missing, while I have to watch all the "added stuff"?

And yet while I disliked it, it was always the one I watched when it came on Family Channel. It is the blu ray and DVD that has got the most play. I finally got over my love for the book to appreciate the film for what it is, and that is the one truly great film in the bunch. It zips by and is so beautifully shot, scored, edited and acted.

HBP is just an annoyingly mediocre film. It has an ugly look, and it waste time. It separates itself from the heart of the narrative for the most mundane stuff. It is only in the last 30 minutes that it feels like it is back on track.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Yeah the cinematography I still believe was a mistake for HBP.

I felt the same way about PoA, well the first few sentences. I didn't like it when I was younger because as a child, it was so different than the first two movies. But years past and as I watched the older ones a few years after that, I really liked PoA because it took the series in a new direction that was needed to keep the series going and moving forward.

I'm glad Chris Columbus didn't return, because if he did, this franchise would've been screwed. His style of childlike wonder fit the first two, but it wasn't going to fit the ones after because they grow up, and also the cinematography of the series I felt had to get more complex and mature (and better).

 

[matrix_ghost]

I quitle liked this article at FInke's.

WB has made 21 billion from Potter so far

Also :
Final Harry Potter Already Wrecking Records
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Seriously i'm hoping for the best.
With 3-d 1 billion WW is a lock and a gross between 300-350 million in the states seem to be what most are predicting.
Although i'm hoping for a 400 million gross ( slim chance...but hey one can hope )

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I'm disappointed in you.

Don't get me wrong lol it's a great movie,the music is fantastic, and I love me some cuaron. I just don't love it.

 

[Liam_H]

I am big fan of OoTP. Second only to PoA.

When I first saw PoA, I was confused by it, to the point of disliking it quite a bit. It felt... wrong. Over the years it dawned on me why I felt that way. I don't think much of the Potter books in an "all time favorites" sort of way. The one exception being PoA. I love every word of the book. I wanted my Potter/Granger fight. I wanted Harry winning the Cup. For every last bit of the Shrieking Shack. Why is all that missing, while I have to watch all the "added stuff"?

I felt exactly the same you did after watching POA for the first time, I really disliked it. Thinking they cut so much out, why didn't include this, this, or this...Then I realize I was comparing it too much to the Columbus films. Cuaron wanted to make great movie without so much clutter. I expected a huge fan service film but since then I realized as an adapation its one of the best ones.

 

[Crockett]

Just came back from the showing. Loved it and it's a beautiful conclusion to the series. I'll probably write a review later on.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think HBP is the second best in the series.


I find POA to be the second worst.

What is so good about HBP? I agree there are some good performance and that the idea is strong. But what is there just doesn't cut it. The films plays out like a bunch of unimportant subplots.

Outside of the final 30 minutes, the best bits are character moments. The first potions class, Hermione's story about her father, Slughorn's Lily story, Luna and her lion head. But the plot kind of crumbs about it. What is up with the HBP? Who is he and why does it matter? Why does his book matter?

There is also this dramatic shift in how the characters act. Harry just likes Ginny. There is no reason given, he just does.

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah the cinematography I still believe was a mistake for HBP.

I felt the same way about PoA, well the first few sentences. I didn't like it when I was younger because as a child, it was so different than the first two movies. But years past and as I watched the older ones a few years after that, I really liked PoA because it took the series in a new direction that was needed to keep the series going and moving forward.

I'm glad Chris Columbus didn't return, because if he did, this franchise would've been screwed. His style of childlike wonder fit the first two, but it wasn't going to fit the ones after because they grow up, and also the cinematography of the series I felt had to get more complex and mature (and better).

I was the exact opposite. I loved POA when it first came out. It was different, and something new compared to COS which was a photocopy of PS. However, after the new car smell wore off and I examined the film I began to dislike it on a funemental level. The film is gorgeous. No doubt about that. The Score is near perfection. Cinemotagraphy and art design are some of the best the series has seen. The script, on the other hand, makes amatuer mistakes. Initiated story points go nowhere, some scenes have absolutely no payoff, characters seem to know things without any explanation, entire scenes have absolutely no motivation or benefit to the progression of the movie. There's alot of fancy in POA, but there is also a lot of crudd. No one can look at the film and say that Cuaron doesn't value art above storytelling sometimes. I have no problem with what was cut and trimmed from the book. Im a logical fan who understands the difficulty of bringing any book to the screen. Things that work on the page will not necesarily work on film. I myself prefer the less literal adaptions. Heck OOTP and HBP are my two favorite films. And there is no doubt the film saved the series. Had the films stayed on the path Columbus had them on I believe they would have dwindled to nothing by GOF, and ended up in the same league as Percy Jackson. The film just makes some blatant mistakes in the script department that stand out for me like a sore thumb. Just my opinion.

All this being said, though, the good outways the bad. In every other department the film was hitting high marks. Beside the script the film was, in my opinion, probably the highest quality of any of the films. I enjoy the film, and watch it just as much as 5-7. Trust me, I don't hate this film. There is only one Harry Potter film I could say I hate, and that is GOF. I could write a small novel about how Newell was the absolute wrong director to bring within 300 yards of a Harry Potter film, but I won't go there. Another day, another time perhaps.

Time for me to get back on topic. For those who have seen the film, how is the score integrated into the film. Are there moments were the music takes the backstage and the sound effects take center stage or is it all bombast all the time?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I was the exact opposite. I loved POA when it first came out. It was different, and something new compared to COS which was a photocopy of PS. However, after the new car smell wore off and I examined the film I began to dislike it on a funemental level. The film is gorgeous. No doubt about that. The Score is near perfection. Cinemotagraphy and art design are some of the best the series has seen. The script, on the other hand, makes amatuer mistakes. Initiated story points go nowhere, some scenes have absolutely no payoff, characters seem to know things without any explanation, entire scenes have absolutely no motivation or benefit to the progression of the movie. There's alot of fancy in POA, but there is also a lot of crudd. No one can look at the film and say that Cuaron doesn't value art above storytelling sometimes. I have no problem with what was cut and trimmed from the book. Im a logical fan who understands the difficulty of bringing any book to the screen. Things that work on the page will not necesarily work on film. I myself prefer the less literal adaptions. Heck OOTP and HBP are my two favorite films. And there is no doubt the film saved the series. Had the films stayed on the path Columbus had them on I believe they would have dwindled to nothing by GOF, and ended up in the same league as Percy Jackson. The film just makes some blatant mistakes in the script department that stand out for me like a sore thumb. Just my opinion.

All this being said, though, the good outways the bad. In every other department the film was hitting high marks. Beside the script the film was, in my opinion, probably the highest quality of any of the films. I enjoy the film, and watch it just as much as 5-7. Trust me, I don't hate this film. There is only one Harry Potter film I could say I hate, and that is GOF. I could write a small novel about how Newell was the absolute wrong director to bring within 300 yards of a Harry Potter film, but I won't go there. Another day, another time perhaps.

Time for me to get back on topic. For those who have seen the film, how is the score integrated into the film. Are there moments were the music takes the backstage and the sound effects take center stage or is it all bombast all the time?

You just described HBP. t:

But I am curious. Could you give some example of where PoA does what you say it does? There are a few uses of the exposition fairy, but I can't think of any started and dropped storylines.

And I cannot understand liking HBP and disliking GoF. GoF is what HBP tries and fails to be.

 

[Marvolo]

You just described HBP. t:

But I am curious. Could you give some example of where PoA does what you say it does? There are a few uses of the exposition fairy, but I can't think of any started and dropped storylines.

And I cannot understand liking HBP and disliking GoF. GoF is what HBP tries and fails to be.

SOBMFPOS!!! Ok, I had a nice long post describing my problems with POA, but I clicked the wrong button and it's gone. So I'm gonna give you problems with my GOF which I have saved just in case someone asks me why I don't like GOF.t: And re-type my critique of POA, and post that in a bit.

My probem with GOF lies with Newell more than the movie itself. I despise Newell's style or lack thereof. I find all his films (not just GOF) visually boring and lacking in style. His Prince of Persia film suffered greatly from his style, but like GOF I am able to like the film. He just seems to be lacking in imagination. He sets up shots in the most boring ways, and after Cuaron's visual flare Newell's just felt bleh. Cinematography, blocking, and music play a big part in my opinion of any film and in a film like Harry Potter the director needs to be able to use all these to bring out the fanasty, wonder, and magic of the world and Newell sadly didn't have it in him. The whole thing just feels bland and hollow. He was too concerned with bringing a british boarding school flare to the film which just felt wrong. Hogwarts isn't a boarding school of the typical kind where teachers beat you with books, and headmasters man handle their students. He said in an interview once that he imagined Dumbledore as someone like his old boarding school headmaster. Lol, his headmaster must have been an overly stressed bitter old man who was an inch from falling off the wagon. The character Gambon was instructed to play wasn't Dumbledore. Another pet peeve I have of Newell's films is that actors in his films have a habit of over acting and hamming it up. Sadly he brought this to GOF, and it was just too on the nose.

I have a few other problems with the film besides Newell. Patrick Doyle irritates me. I like a more subtle score. One that is center stage when it needs to be, but quite and subtle at the proper times. Patrick Doyle is about as subtle as a hammer to a tin roof. He always does the obvious. If there is action he has loud bombastic music. Love scene overly dramatic sappy music. He's very predictable. I like to decide how I feel about a scene without the composer telling me "this is a love scene" and "this is a big action scene". His scores are almost descriptive subtitles for a movie. Its even worse in Thor. When Thor kisses Natalie Portmans character at the end every cliche instrument and chord is thrown into the mix imagineable. I like some fo the music in GOF, but Doyle just can't help being center stage. Another problem is the odd pacing and truncated third act. We go from the second task to the third task in what 10 minutes. That's months covered in ten minutes. It just felt like they reached a point and were like "**** we gotta get to the grave yard!" Lol, its not a big problem, but it makes the film feel somewhat lopsided.

As you can tell, my problems with GOF are with the people who handled the film more than with GOF itself. I have never liked Newell's style, and I do not like Doyle. GOF never had much hope of being high on my list.