The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[turtlefocker]

This third Batman film better have at least one major villain that wasn't in the Burton/Schumacher films...

 

[Oryon]

Hence why Nolan isn't the Ubermensch that eveyone says he is, which is what I've been saying all along. He doesn't respect the mythos, just "his" vision.

Sounds to me like he's slowly killing a franchise for a character that's based on reoccuring conflicts with supervillains.

Nolan doesn't respect the mythos? lol

As opposed to Burton and Schuf@g? For your information, having a vision is a prerequisite to becoming a Director. You are familiar with Nolan's storytelling aren't you? He doesn't tend to walk a straight line or fall into cliches, which I highly respect.

So disregard BB and a majority of the TDK because a "bankable" villain gets offed in the last 30 minutes. OK.

I put "bankable" in quotations because I don't think Two Face has nearly the draw of the Joker and if I'm correct, I believe the JOker lives to see another day.

Nolan has killed the Batman franchise? Please.

You should be thankful somebody is finally taking the material seriously.

 

[Agentsands77]

Only Riddler and Catwoman seem interesting to me now.

They're two mainstays. But I do wonder if Nolan could take a third film in a direction that none of us have begun to consider.

But if he [blackout]killed 2Face[/blackout] to get out of directing BB3, then I'm pretty disappointed.

Come on now. Have a little more faith in Nolan. He did it because he thought it served the story, and that's that.

 

[protocida]

I Know it's the spoiler section, but please, use the Spoiler Tags.

Spoiler

And no, Nolan is not going to kill Two-Face.

It's just a rumor. It's simple to make. Wanna see?

Hey, Guys! I Just Saw the movie! It's wild and Heath Ledger deserves an Oscar. You must check out the ending, where Tommy Elliot, the Hush, shows up!

Put that in any forum and, on the following day, Nerds will gone wild and kill their families.

 

[SuperBatman]

This third Batman film better have at least one major villain that wasn't in the Burton/Schumacher films...

Like Who? I mean The Joker Penguin Catwoman Two Face The Riddler and Mr. Freeze and Poision Ivy were pretty much the Major Villians in the Batman Universe

I don't think The Mad Hatter, Killer Kroc Scarface and the Ven. Man Bat can carry a movie.

Unless he does Black Mask that's something would be Interesting to see.

 

[Gianakin_]

They're two mainstays. But I do wonder if Nolan could take a third film in a direction that none of us have begun to consider.

Let's hope so. Let's also hope he'll use Scarecrow again. The actor and the character are alive.

Come on now. Have a little more faith in Nolan. He did it because he thought it served the story, and that's that.

From your mouth to George Lucas's ear, but... [BLACKOUT]killing 2Face and not showing a body would've also been powerful[/BLACKOUT].

 

[turtlefocker]

Honestly Two-Face is most interesting in his first emergence/creation than ever again so if [BLACKOUT]he is ****ing dead at the end of this ****ing film I don't ****ing care.[/BLACKOUT] All signs point to this being the best comic book movie ever made.

 

[Diablo101]

This third Batman film better have at least one major villain that wasn't in the Burton/Schumacher films...

Clayface and Killer Croc are options, but they seem a bit too supernatural for Nolan's realism.


I actually think Black Mask is a option people don't talk about that much. He could easily be the next big "mob boss" in the third one.

 

[Keymaker]

Precisely. I think the Riddler could be awesome in Nolan's hands. Nolan is a smart guy and I think he would make the Riddler just a brutal, intelligent character. And just imagine the type of mind games they would play with it, both in the marketing for the movie (you think the Morse code stuff in the Joker virals was crazy, wait till the Riddler's behind it all t. It could be incredible to watch.

Yeah, that would be something new for a Bats film and would let Nolan do another one of his amazing mind**** movies

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah, that would be something new for a Bats film and would let Nolan do another one of his amazing mind**** movies

Hell yeah, imagine the twists and turns in that sucker! It would be like Memento and Prestige on steroids. Hell yeah. t:

 

[Gianakin_]

Honestly Two-Face is most interesting in his first emergence/creation than ever again

I disagree.

All signs point to this being the best comic book movie ever made.

I agree.

 

[protocida]

''Shadow of the Bat'' could featurre Two-Face and Riddler, with hints to Penguin and Catwoman. Firefly could show up as the villain taken down to introduce Batman in the beginning and Roman Sionis could appear as a new enterprise CEO that hates Bruce Wayne.

And there's also Hush, Mad Hatter, crocodile, Poison Ivy, Mr. Freeza and many other that could work in a movie.

 

[donk70]

Nolan doesn't respect the mythos? lol

It appears that way there, Chief

As opposed to Burton and Schuf@g? For your information, having a vision is a prerequisite to becoming a Director. You are familiar with Nolan's storytelling aren't you? He doesn't tend to walk a straight line or fall into cliches, which I highly respect.

Nice little biggoted reference to Shoemacher. I don't like his Bat movies, but even I'm not so calous and narrow minded to ridicule a man for his sexual preference. That's pretty offensive if you ask me.

If you like his "visions", that's fine. Personally, I think his visions are wrong and looks like alot of people tend to agree with me right now.

So disregard BB and a majority of the TDK because a "bankable" villain gets offed in the last 30 minutes. OK.

Yup, pretty much. His vision just isn't cutting it.

I put "bankable" in quotations because I don't think Two Face has nearly the draw of the Joker and if I'm correct, I believe the JOker lives to see another day.

Of course the Joker has more of a draw than Two Face. You cannot use that reasoning to justify his demise. Your argument is weak.

Nolan has killed the Batman franchise? Please.

You should be thankful somebody is finally taking the material seriously

It appears to me that he is. He's killing off a bankable villain so he can't be used again. In fact, it's Batmans #2 arch enemy. Sounds awful Burton-esque and Shumacher-esque, doesn't it?

 

[redfirebird2008]

I am now really starting to hope Riddler is in the third movie. Good Gawd, another Chris Nolan mind-***** movie, except with Batman as the main character. Batman, the world's greatest detective, trying to follow the clues of the Riddler. Oh man, that could be just a hell of a lot of fun to see in Nolan's hands.

 

[Agentsands77]

From your mouth to George Lucas's ear, but... [blackout]killing 2Face and not showing a body would've also been powerful[/blackout].

It would also have made no sense. You think that Batman would buy he was [blackout]dead[/blackout] if there was no body? Come on.

 

[magus]

The only problem with the Riddler is that he is EXTREMELY difficult to write for. Coming up with riddles and puzzles is not easy for any writer and is the main reason most Batman writers don't bother with him anymore. That aside, I would be interested in seeing Nolan's interpretation of the character. I am also partial to Ventriloquist and Penguin.

Since Ra's was used in the first, I wouldn't mind seeing his return heralded by Talia.

 

[redfirebird2008]

The only problem with the Riddler is that he is EXTREMELY difficult to write for. Coming up with riddles and puzzles is not easy for any writer and is the main reason most Batman writers don't bother with him anymore. That aside, I would be interested in seeing Nolan's interpretation of the character. I am also partial to Ventriloquist and Penguin.

Since Ra's was used in the first, I wouldn't mind seeing his return heralded by Talia.

You kidding? Have you ever messed around with the Memento special edition DVD? Damn thing is practically impossible to get through all the stuff at the beginning just to be able to watch it. Jonah and Chris enjoy the hell out of this kind of stuff.

 

[TLBorlando]

I Know it's the spoiler section, but please, use the Spoiler Tags.

Spoiler

And no, Nolan is not going to kill Two-Face.

It's just a rumor. It's simple to make. Wanna see?

Hey, Guys! I Just Saw the movie! It's wild and Heath Ledger deserves an Oscar. You must check out the ending, where Tommy Elliot, the Hush, shows up!

Put that in any forum and, on the following day, Nerds will gone wild and kill their families.

You are right. Two-Face dying at the end is just a rumor. We did not hear anything like that during photography. I was never a big fan of Two-Face per se, however I do like the rise and subsequent fall of Harvey Dent. As the director and co-story teller, Nolan has the right to kill off a villain here or there.

 

[protocida]

Back on Firefly, he could be the Scarecrow of this movie: A Terrorist that use explosives and flames to commit his crimes.

It would be a kick-ass introduction scene: Firefly burning down Wayne Enterprises building and Batman showing up and fightin him while the police hunts them both on a flaming building. He could even get Branden as the leader of the Anti-Batman unity.

 

[Agentsands77]

Honestly Two-Face is most interesting in his first emergence/creation than ever again

Quite right. I have yet to see another later Two-Face story that even compares to the dramatic power of his origin.

 

[Diablo101]

Nolan respects the mythos, but he does not follow it. I mean, just look at the Joker in this film. I feel it respects the mythos of the Joker, but it hardly follows it at all. This Joker is like nothing we've ever seen. Nolan does not follow mythos.

Oh, and I would consider Ra's Batman's #2 archenemy over Two-Face anyday.

 

[turtlefocker]

This is the first time I've actually seen donk70 posting stuff relevant to the conversation. Usually he just goes around looking for threads to post the word "close" in and calling those who disagree with him trolls... I'm surprised he hasn't called anyone a troll here... maybe someone hacked his account today, someone who isn't as much of a childish fool.

Ironically this post is entirely off topic.

So Harvey Two-Face...

 

[donk70]

This is the first time I've actually seen donk70 posting stuff relevant to the conversation. Usually he just goes around looking for threads to post the word "close" in and calling those who disagree with him trolls... I'm surprised he hasn't called anyone a troll here... maybe someone hacked his account today, someone who isn't as much of a childish fool.

Ironically this post is entirely off topic.

So Harvey Two-Face...

Thanks for trolling. Have a nice day

 

[turtlefocker]

Quite right. I have yet to see another later Two-Face story that even compares to the dramatic power of his origin.

Most of them just redo the origin by having him 'cured' then turn back into Two-Face...

 

[SuperBatman]

I am now really starting to hope Riddler is in the third movie. Good Gawd, another Chris Nolan mind-***** movie, except with Batman as the main character. Batman, the world's greatest detective, trying to follow the clues of the Riddler. Oh man, that could be just a hell of a lot of fun to see in Nolan's hands.

Well

Spoiler

I remember reading in the AICN reviews that there is a scene where somebody figures out that Bruce Wayne is batman. Could that be pointing to the start of the Riddler? I guess we will have to wait and see.