The Dark Knight Harvey Dent/Two Face Thread

[donk70]

This bickering is getting old... i keep coming to this thread, expecting some sort of news, only to see you two wasting text.

You're right. I'm done. We took this way off topic

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[Marx]

This bickering is getting old... i keep coming to this thread, expecting some sort of news, only to see you two wasting text.

There are many more than two Joe. I've just about quit coming to the Batforums because of stuff like this.

 

[sasquatchs]

Judging by Nolans own admission to wanting a "real" bat flick, it is. When was the last time that a human body could survive at sub zero temperatures, or need the temp. that low to survive?

You were saying that we should use what we know so far to accept Freezes possibility in the Nolanverse and I pointed out to you that I don't agree with everything in the Nolanverse, like that should the only reasoning that we need. Not hardly.

Well there's this guy, not that it makes any difference

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Story?id=4393377&page=1

 

[regwec]

So, Raimi kills off Spidey villians and he's hounded for it.

Nolan kills off one of the most iconic villains (Yes, hes a villain.) and suddenly its a great idea? Wow, I like Nolan's films as much as the next person but some people seem to praise his every move blindly. This isn't directed at anyone in particular, just a general observation on the kind of behaviour I've seen on the hype. I'm aware I'll probably be labeled a hater or a Marvel Zombie or something equally childish now but I don't like what Nolan appears to be doing with Two-Face's character.

Having said that I have no doubt this film will be fantastic, probably an instant classic of the genre. I may even be wrong in my assumptions but isn't that what these boards are for? Speculation and sharing opinions?

I think it became clear, at least three years ago, that the movies are the only investment many people have in the Batman mythos, and that these people will cheer and celebrate anything that Christopher Nolan does.

 

[inflames]

Two-Face isn't a villain in this franchise.

 

[Marx]

Two-Face isn't a villain in this franchise.

You just proved everything that regwec just said.

 

[inflames]

You just proved everything that regwec just said.

hostile.

 

[MiniBond]

I think it became clear, at least three years ago, that the movies are the only investment many people have in the Batman mythos, and that these people will cheer and celebrate anything that Christopher Nolan does.

In my case.......NOT- AT -ALL !


I don"t like the fights in BB and quite frankly Memento doesn't appeal to me !


It's just that I see what's Nolan's point with [BLACKOUT]killing two face[/BLACKOUT], that's all........ ! It fits with his approach of the character , a fallen angel who is desperate at the end of the movie and got nothing to loose at all, not a villain...you guys are gonna need to get used to it, sorry to disappoint, Nolan was not Joking when he said that !!

 

[inflames]

In my case.......NOT- AT -ALL !


I don"t like the fights in BB and quite frankly Memento doesn't appeal to me !


It's just that I see what's Nolan's point with [blackout]killing two face[/blackout], that's all........ ! It fits with his approach of the character , a fallen angel who is desperate at the end of the movie and got nothing to loose at all, not a villain...you guys are gonna need to get used to it, sorry to disappoint, Nolan was not Joking when he said that !!

QFT, looks like this is turning into a comic book elitist kind of thing, I do read the graphic novels and I *get* what they are saying buy they are still saying Nolan is killing off a villain, hence my post ''two-face isn't a villain in this franchise''.

 

[regwec]

I don't "need" to "get used" to anything. I can accept it or reject it, as I please. People who feel they "need" to adjust to the vision, spoon-fed to them by a movie studio, lack self respect.

 

[Gallagher]

I think it became clear, at least three years ago, that the movies are the only investment many people have in the Batman mythos, and that these people will cheer and celebrate anything that Christopher Nolan does.

My thoughts exactly.

hostile.

"I'll show you hostile!"

 

[Figs]

I think the main reason why I'm not pissed(but I am a bit disappointed)that Two Face dies is some years ago I finally came to the realization as others have, that these films(all comic films) are someone else's interpretation.

I would love for Two Face to survive to expand on him in a sequel but I'm not going to let his death ruin the film for me. I'm going into this film watching it as a film not just a Batman film.

I do feel bad for the fans that aren't happy with him dying, especially since that's not the only change they've done with Dent/Two Face in this film that will upset fans.

 

[Marx]

I think the main reason why I'm not pissed(but I am a bit disappointed)that Two Face dies is some years ago I finally came to the realization as others have, that these films(all comic films) are someone else's interpretation.

I would love for Two Face to survive to expand on him in a sequel but I'm not going to let his death ruin the film for me. I'm going into this film watching it as a film not just a Batman film.

I do feel bad for the fans that aren't happy with him dying, especially since that's not the only change they've done with Dent/Two Face in this film that will upset fans.

I have a very difficult time finding sympathy for some because of the constant need to bash anything that isn't their own vision.

Ultimately, no movie ever will please everyone. There will always be something for someone to tear apart.

 

[MiniBond]

well I also get what they are saying precisely because I was on their side just a few hours ago....it's just that in the meantime I sat down, thought about it, tried to picture it and I must say...............this rocks........in that way Two face has nothing to envy from the grand greek tragedies' characters !!!!

It's as simple as that !!! I know that two face would have been great in another movie, he could have done it, absolutely !! It's just not the way Nolan chose simply because that's not how he defines the character !

 

[inflames]

I don't "need" to "get used" to anything. I can accept it or reject it, as I please. People who feel they "need" to adjust to the vision, spoon-fed to them my a movie studio, lack self respect.

oh BS x2 regwec just because I like Nolan's different interpretation just as much as I like the one in the comics and graphic novels does not make me or anyone else a tool for the movie studio/Nolan and even if I have never read any batman comics or novels and had only been exposed to it by TV or movies SO WHAT?! I would be inferior to you is what I guess you are trying to say.

 

[MiniBond]

I don't "need" to "get used" to anything. I can accept it or reject it, as I please. People who feel they "need" to adjust to the vision, spoon-fed to them by a movie studio, lack self respect.

I'm not gonna force anyone...it's just that this version of two face's end is not something that is coming out of nowhere....it fits with Dent's character throughout the movie.....that said it's the minimum we can do by accepting that Nolan's vision is at least clear about things !!!

 

[The Sage]

I think it became clear, at least three years ago, that the movies are the only investment many people have in the Batman mythos, and that these people will cheer and celebrate anything that Christopher Nolan does.

 

[Gallagher]

Whooooo indeed

 

[David Rice]

Because some here like to believe that they are experts on all things Batman and Nolan...while others like to take "internet-land" rumors are run with them like there's no tomorrow. It's annoying...amusing...but incredibly annoying.

The only sure way to find out what happens is to ACTUALLY SEE THE MOVIE.

Until then, we are left with pointless rumor-milling and everyone arguing over why their rumors are more important and "factual" than everyone elses.

Thank you.

 

[namtaB]

I think it became clear, at least three years ago, that the movies are the only investment many people have in the Batman mythos, and that these people will cheer and celebrate anything that Christopher Nolan does.

Somewhat agree. My link to the Batman mythos formed as a kid after watching B89. But you're right in the sense that my only investment in the Batman mythos is through the films. I don't read the comics at all and watched the animated series sporadically at best. I don't necessarily agree with anything Nolan does, ie. I would've preferred Joker to be permawhite and still think they missed the boat on that. But I think his choices work for the story he tells. Since the films are the only connection I have to Batman I have an overall positive view of what Nolan has done.

 

[Agentsands77]

I don't agree with everything Nolan does. BEGINS was far from a perfect film.

But I do "get" this narrative choice. It makes sense to me, especially in the context of the individual film. I think what potential Nolan has sacrificed in terms of the character's future is worth the gain in dramatic power.

 

[inlers87]

I just wrote this on the other two face thread but this one seems more appropriate:

Although I hardly ever actually post, I've frequented these boards for years and thoroughly enjoy listening to like-minded individuals argue the finer points of some of our favorite franchises. That being said, I have to get in on this.

Where, if anyone knows, did these rumors originate? I've looked everyone in this thread and the most I've found is "I heard..."

Any help?

 

[Rikxiepoo]

There are some people, such as myself, that like it when they change some things when adapting a comic book to a movie, such as the permawhite Joker change to makeup Joker, because it makes the movie more believable. I mean, if they were to do Bane in this verse, I would prefer they made him some bulked up guy that took some adrenaline shots to make himself more energetic instead of some guy that had a constant supply of "venom" pumped into his body to give him superhuman strength. Same thing goes for this version of Harvey Two Face. Makes more of a realistic sense to have him as a murderous vigilante than a lawyer turned bank robber and villain just because he got acid thrown on him. I like the old Batman fims, but there are some pretty unbelievable things that happen in them that kinda ruin moments in the film for me (like the real penguins raising Oswald or catwoman being born because she had many cats crawl all over her after she fell from the building).

 

[Agentsands77]

I just wrote this on the other two face thread but this one seems more appropriate:

Although I hardly ever actually post, I've frequented these boards for years and thoroughly enjoy listening to like-minded individuals argue the finer points of some of our favorite franchises. That being said, I have to get in on this.

Where, if anyone knows, did these rumors originate? I've looked everyone in this thread and the most I've found is "I heard..."

Any help?

See here for a rundown of the AICN stuff and here for entertainment writer Devin's comments on the CHUD.com forums. TheMovieBlog's review also seems to speak to it.

 

[turtlefocker]

I don't agree with everything Nolan does. BEGINS was far from a perfect film.

But I do "get" this narrative choice. It makes sense to me, especially in the context of the individual film. I think what potential Nolan has sacrificed in terms of the character's future is worth the gain in dramatic power.

I agree.

I've been very open about my complaints about BB (fight scenes, unmemorable villains) and TDK (lack of perma-white, cut smile - I'd of rather of had a comic-accurate joker) but I think

Spoiler

Two Face dieing

works in this film from what Ive read, but then I wasn't against Ra's death in BB and many were.