Has Batman hurt the genre where costumes are concerned?

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  1. El Payaso

    El Payaso Well-Known Member

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    No. They looked like bat wings.
     
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  2. BlackLantern

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    really...I thought they looked super stiff, I think we will see an "ideal" bat costume pretty soon though....got a good feeling about it
     
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  3. roach

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    people were saying that before the suit for TDK was revealed
     
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  4. BlackLantern

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    better than that crap in 'Dead End'.....a ****ing tshirt, give me a break
     
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  5. El Payaso

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    :up:
     
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    I like that uniform. It kept true to The Phantom and didn't become a sea of purple, the pattern added a bit of visual interest.
     
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  7. jmc

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    Because some concepts are just plain silly when you think about it from a non comic fan perspective. The film makers are not catering to us, they have to cater for everyone, and in that case changes are inevitable. You can't really take the characters at face value any more and say 'that's just how it is', not in a post BB/TDK and IM world.
     
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  8. BlackLantern

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    what he said
     
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    Dead End didn't have a big budget though. It was just a fan film. For all intents and purposes, it was some guys doing a personal story with their own stuff. It was very good in that regard because the budget probably consisted of altered Halloween costumes. They did the best they could with what they had, and what they had wasn't much to begin with.
     
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  10. roach

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    I think you are underestimating the GA. They will believe a lot more if it is handle seriously and not silly or campy. Yes some changes have to be made but you cannot tell me that the GA will not believe a superhero would dress like a superhero
     
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  11. Chris Wallace

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    And yet you're arguing that Batman hasn't hurt the genre in the costumes department?
     
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  12. roach

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    I dont see how IM is considered a realistic movie.
     
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  13. Chris Wallace

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    I don't think he's arguing that Iron Man is realistic, rather that the conventional costumes don't fly now & Iron Man is part of the reason.
     
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  14. roach

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    I dont understand this line of thinking. You can see Harry Potter flying on a broom stick playing Quidditch and no one bats an eye. Perseus rides a winged horse, kills medusa and the kraken and no questions the realism of it...but the moment someone want to make a superhero movie all of a sudden the GA has a hard time believe it????
     
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    I fail to see how justifying why a hero wears what he/she does is hurting anything. As far as I can see Batman (and Iron Man) has only improved the superhero genre by giving reason and logic to the costume situation, it gives greater depth to the overall character as to why someone would go to this extraordinary length to become what they become. Once again though it comes back to a case by case scenario. Some characters don't need much in terms of explanation, like Thor's outfit pretty much speaks for itself and GL's is more or less the corps uniform, pretty easy. But then you get to someone like Cap Am you go 'Why would someone get around fighting in WW2 wearing that?' or Wonder Woman and go 'Why would she wear a swimsuit and stilettos boots when she's from an ancient culture?'. It actually baffles me that Batman is being blamed here for really nothing more than rational thinking.
    I don't recall anyone saying anything of the sort.
     
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  16. BlackLantern

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    Potter exists in an environment where wizardry is a matter of course, same with Perseus...a superhero is injected into the "ordinary world" so yes, it is an issue
     
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  17. roach

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    Because now movie makers are coming up with hairbrained ideas to explain the costume away.

    Imagine this scenario.....

    Red Skull leads his Nazi armies across Europe. Enemy forces flee from the sight of the Skull. Stories spread among the Allies that he can kill with a look. Morale is down. Allied high command are close to losing the war. Its decided that they need to combat this psychological warfare...but who are they gonna use.......Frail Steve Rogers walks into a recruiting office.

    In my scenario I have explained the costume and the main enemy without coming up with a reason for the "silly costume"
     
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  18. BlackLantern

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    that makes sense to you and me....but it still wouldn't fly with the GA...part of the reason the translation is harder now is because WW2 media like Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan have depicted ww2 as extremely gritty, grim, and dark

    now i think your idea is ok, but the USO direction is where its at and im sorry you dont like it
     
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  19. roach

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    there lies the problem. It shouldnt be a superhero injected into our world...it should be a semblance of our world...like IM and the Spider-man movies. Case in point the Nolan Batman movies....a superhero injected into the real world. In the realm of the Nolan movies could you believe Superman protects Metropolis???? or Aqua-man Atlantis???
     
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  20. jmc

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    Such as....?
    As someone who knows very little about Cap Am I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
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  21. roach

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    Do you really think anyone who goes to see Captain America is going to be upset because its not dark and gritty like Band of Brothers or Private Ryan or Inglorious Basterds????
     
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  22. BlackLantern

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    but both movies explain why hero is in said costume

    No...and I don't care for Aquaman anyway


    and we're getting off topic here, I think....quality of the film aside, Ghost Rider looked decent
     
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  23. JAK®

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    Captain America wears his costume as a propaganda tool to boost morale.
     
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  24. BlackLantern

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    not upset but maybe off puttting...and its about a year and a half away so lets not flip out about it just yet
     
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  25. roach

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    really???They explained the spidey suit.I must have missed it.
     
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