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Has Politics Taken the Super Hero??

I think it's Fox News being Fox News again, only this time through a superhero filter.

I think superheroes are becoming more and more anti-authority, or rather, their anti-authority nature stands out more and more. People are becoming less trusting of cops and people in power, and that view is reflected in superhero comics.

You have Batman battling crime and corruption in a city that mirrors our cynical world (one of the reasons he's so popular imo), you have Spider-Man being a representation of the good Samaritan citizen that succeeds where the authorities fail, you have Tony Stark being a total *****e to SHIELD and the military when they ask for his weapons, Cap awaking in the 21st century and commenting on how crippled the system is (and later demolishing SHIELD in TWS), the Avengers breaking off from SHIELD, etc.

The reason it's interpreted as left-wing propaganda is because liberals generally critique the authorities more than conservatives.
 
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I think it's Fox News being Fox News again, only this time through a superhero filter.

I think superheroes are becoming more and more anti-authority, or rather, their anti-authority nature stands out more and more. People are becoming less trusting of cops and people in power, and that view is reflected in superhero comics.

You have Batman battling crime and corruption in a city that mirrors our cynical world (one of the reasons he's so popular imo), you have Spider-Man being a representation of the good Samaritan citizen that succeeds where the authorities fail, you have Tony Stark being a total *****e to SHIELD and the military when they ask for his weapons, Cap awaking in the 21st century and commenting on how crippled the system is (and later demolishing SHIELD in TWS), the Avengers breaking off from SHIELD, etc.

The reason it's interpreted as left-wing propaganda is because liberals generally critique the authorities more than conservatives.

So Fox has a point then???

Fine line between critiques and criticizing right........

Didnt Superman renounce his American citizenship prior to Flashpoint??
 
David Goyer penned the issue where Superman renounced his citizenship.

Truth be told, I'd be concerned if superheroes advocated blind patriotism.

Edit: Also, literature - which includes comics- inevitably has a political message. Politics is the interaction of humans, which makes any artistic renderings of them inherently political.
 
So Fox has a point then???

Fine line between critiques and criticizing right........

Didnt Superman renounce his American citizenship prior to Flashpoint??

Well they did say in the video superheroes are advocating "anti-American policies". That could mean a million things, but knowing Fox News, it sounds like they're pissed superheroes aren't advocating blind patriotism, as jonathancrane suggested.

My friends here in Canada joke about Captain America being the most un-American guy ever :oldrazz:, since his stories tend to critique so many issues in today's society, from surveillance issues to gay rights. It really isn't a suprise at all Fox News would view that as "anti-American", especially the latter issue I brought up.
 
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Just an FYI before you read, I know nadda about politics, left/right/middle I don't know what falls under what.

Fox news can sometimes have a valid point and most times it's peripheral to what they actually mean. There's been politics in comics for a couple decades now. Ever since the 70's they've tried to show various sides of life and arguments for and against various things but through comics instead of the usual tv or books.

Ask any writer who has ever done any attempt at serious writing if they project themselves into it to give off their viewpoints in anything they write, be it anecdotes, cultural experiences or anything else, every writer will leave a mark in what they write that is unique to them. If you look at famous runs in various comics then you see how various points of view have changed interpretations of characters. Look at pretty much anything Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman touch, they have unique viewpoints that resonates with many readers and whenever they write a story it has obvious signs of their handywork.

There's comics like Transmetropolitan where everything is just so exaggerated beyond the norm in every facet they show but still is relatable to show how it got there due to excess and just evolution of society and the fears we may become like it. It's an extreme example of what is potential of society but still shows issues like political corruption, media bias and blatant lies being passed as truths.

Another example is Animal Man when Grant Morrison was writing him. Before that he was a low level superhero that had animal powers and when Morrison got ahold of him then it started being about more mature things like animal cruelty, vegetarianism and wound up with him not only having his entire family murdered and getting revenge on everyone who caused it to happen but it went extremely meta and not only did they have him interact with the comic itself but he wound up seeing the reader and meeting Morrison himself.

So basically any writer can and will make changes to the characters they write and they should, otherwise it'd be tedious.

But in the end Superheroes are supposed to be a reflection of ourselves and our society. If they start showing up as 'anti-american' because they start thinking differently and showing different ideas than the 'norm' then quite possibly it's due to the fact that the country is changing that way. If you start seeing more gay people being accepted in comics and not just one off characters to use as a joke or get killed off, then society is likely becoming more accepting of that as the norm. If you start seeing issues being set in war torn areas and showing the horrors of war, it's because people know that everywhere isn't Kansas or Manhattan.

In the end, writers write what they know and it influences the characters they write.
 
X-Men, Spider-Man, Captain America, Watchmen, ect. Politics has existed in comics for decades like other posters have said. Many superheroes are involved in social justice so it goes without saying some of there stories will be political.

Most writers write characters that reflect something of themselves, their lives, their interests, their world view and so on in their work.

Characters change with the times. The world changes and they change to reflect that or risk becoming irrelevant.
 
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Just an FYI before you read, I know nadda about politics, left/right/middle I don't know what falls under what.

Fox news can sometimes have a valid point and most times it's peripheral to what they actually mean. There's been politics in comics for a couple decades now. Ever since the 70's they've tried to show various sides of life and arguments for and against various things but through comics instead of the usual tv or books.

Ask any writer who has ever done any attempt at serious writing if they project themselves into it to give off their viewpoints in anything they write, be it anecdotes, cultural experiences or anything else, every writer will leave a mark in what they write that is unique to them. If you look at famous runs in various comics then you see how various points of view have changed interpretations of characters. Look at pretty much anything Alan Moore or Neil Gaiman touch, they have unique viewpoints that resonates with many readers and whenever they write a story it has obvious signs of their handywork.

There's comics like Transmetropolitan where everything is just so exaggerated beyond the norm in every facet they show but still is relatable to show how it got there due to excess and just evolution of society and the fears we may become like it. It's an extreme example of what is potential of society but still shows issues like political corruption, media bias and blatant lies being passed as truths.

Another example is Animal Man when Grant Morrison was writing him. Before that he was a low level superhero that had animal powers and when Morrison got ahold of him then it started being about more mature things like animal cruelty, vegetarianism and wound up with him not only having his entire family murdered and getting revenge on everyone who caused it to happen but it went extremely meta and not only did they have him interact with the comic itself but he wound up seeing the reader and meeting Morrison himself.

So basically any writer can and will make changes to the characters they write and they should, otherwise it'd be tedious.

But in the end Superheroes are supposed to be a reflection of ourselves and our society. If they start showing up as 'anti-american' because they start thinking differently and showing different ideas than the 'norm' then quite possibly it's due to the fact that the country is changing that way. If you start seeing more gay people being accepted in comics and not just one off characters to use as a joke or get killed off, then society is likely becoming more accepting of that as the norm. If you start seeing issues being set in war torn areas and showing the horrors of war, it's because people know that everywhere isn't Kansas or Manhattan.

In the end, writers write what they know and it influences the characters they write.

I don't think that should be the case. Heroes should be better than us......something to aspire to......If we're in the gutter, I don't want a gutter hero. If not, whats the point? Right?

And why would a writer want to promote something Anti-American? Something that hurts the country he lives in......
 
I don't think that should be the case. Heroes should be better than us......something to aspire to......If we're in the gutter, I don't want a gutter hero. If not, whats the point? Right?

And why would a writer want to promote something Anti-American? Something that hurts the country he lives in......

I think it should always be the case. It should be a mirror held up to our current flaws to show us and our children what is wrong so that even subconsciously they can identify that certain things should not be and engage them to stop them. They are meant to inspire us to be better than we are, they show us our flaws so we don't get too proud and show us our weaknesses to make us stronger. They give us something to aspire to if we work together and show us how weak we truly are when we refuse to work with society.

Writers aren't normally writing anything to be 'Anti-American'. What does that mean anyway? Are the advocating overthrowing the government? Are they saying we should refuse all immigrants? Are they stating we should fear the unknown and hide away from information?

Many times it's a form of criticism about various aspects of life when things get shown in comics. Racism, injustice, bullying, all sorts of things that no one wants their kids to be subjected to are shown in comics and show the negative aspects of them. They demonstrate that it happens all around us and that we need to be vigilant to make sure these things stop. After all, superheroes don't base who they save on race, gender or creed. They just help people.
 
I'm sure what is considered Anti-American is debatable amongst many Americans.

Marvel built their superheroes off of being flawed and relatable. DC very much flowed suited for many of the characters as well.

Aspirational superheroes are fine for some characters but not for all. I think if every superhero was some incorruptible person who always did the right thing and never made mistakes comics would be very boring.

Seeing a superhero deal with the human flaws we all have and over come them is very inspirational.
 
I think it should always be the case. It should be a mirror held up to our current flaws to show us and our children what is wrong so that even subconsciously they can identify that certain things should not be and engage them to stop them. They are meant to inspire us to be better than we are, they show us our flaws so we don't get too proud and show us our weaknesses to make us stronger. They give us something to aspire to if we work together and show us how weak we truly are when we refuse to work with society.

Writers aren't normally writing anything to be 'Anti-American'. What does that mean anyway? Are the advocating overthrowing the government? Are they saying we should refuse all immigrants? Are they stating we should fear the unknown and hide away from information?

Many times it's a form of criticism about various aspects of life when things get shown in comics. Racism, injustice, bullying, all sorts of things that no one wants their kids to be subjected to are shown in comics and show the negative aspects of them. They demonstrate that it happens all around us and that we need to be vigilant to make sure these things stop. After all, superheroes don't base who they save on race, gender or creed. They just help people.

But shouldn't there be at least ONE frog that's not in the pot with the rest, so that the others wont think that being in the pot is "normal" or okay?

That's the hero......he shows the way out. Flaws are fine. But if that's all we show in heroes, then what's heroic in them? Nothing. There's no inspiration in that. Who inspired Lebron?? Michael Jordan......and on and on.

Good question though....what is "Anti-American"? I would say renouncing your citizenship is a biggie. Questioning authority is a right and should be done if authorities over step...... Not voting could be called that......there are others....

I watched that FOX video again and Chuck Dixon kinda gives it some legitimacy.....he's been on the inside for a while.....he wrote Birds of Prey for a time.
 
The Superman renouncing U.S citizenship thing in issue 900 was done to get people talking and buy the comic. To no surprise it worked. Creating controversy to generate interest in a product is the oldest marketing tool in the book.

Chuck Dixon shares the exact same political leanings and ideology that Fox News promotes which is why he is on their in the first place. Its like having someone who agrees with everything you do talk about an issue he knows your going to agree with. Dixon simply put isn't an unbiased reliable source on this issue.

I don't hold much validation in any 'news network' that scaremongers for head lines and frames every conversation in the black and white view of left wing or right wing. The whole way they present the topic is loaded with connotations.
 
But shouldn't there be at least ONE frog that's not in the pot with the rest, so that the others wont think that being in the pot is "normal" or okay?

That's the hero......he shows the way out. Flaws are fine. But if that's all we show in heroes, then what's heroic in them? Nothing. There's no inspiration in that. Who inspired Lebron?? Michael Jordan......and on and on.

Good question though....what is "Anti-American"? I would say renouncing your citizenship is a biggie. Questioning authority is a right and should be done if authorities over step...... Not voting could be called that......there are others....

I watched that FOX video again and Chuck Dixon kinda gives it some legitimacy.....he's been on the inside for a while.....he wrote Birds of Prey for a time.

Most of the time in comics they do the regular hero/villain thing for a while but every now and then they'll focus on a real life issue that they feel needs to be discussed. It's not a constant thing and it's not the only focus, unless it's a creator owned property then it's fair game for them to do whatever. :woot:

The thing is about showing flaws is that they aren't the focus of the character. For Batman we see that his parents getting murdered was the focal point for him to become Batman and to do that he's given up any hope of a normal life and is a jerk about social interaction. That's why they have the Robin characters, to ground him and make an easier point of view for others. Bruce Wayne never really grew up and is just trying to make sense of the world the only way he knows how to and a lot of people can relate to that.

For Spider-Man we see he has amazing powers, dates/marries gorgeous women and hangs out with the superhero elite like the Avengers, in costume his life looks amazing until you look closer. He has the same problem as the rest of us, reality. He has to pay rent, hold down a job, deal with people and try to live a life while still putting everything that's important to him on hold to go help people.

They show us the cracks in their heroism that tell us that they're still people and at any time they could just quit and never come back but they keep going. Despite the broken bones, personal insults and everything else they keep going on, no matter the cost. Sometimes they quit or retire but eventually they come back and if nothing else try to help where they can.

As for the Anti-American thing, I think that unless it's outright treason then it doesn't really exist. The country was founded upon rebellion from the legal government so any type of opposition should be relative. As for renouncing your citizenship, that is a big step in showing that you've lost faith in your country and no longer want to be a part of it. I don't think that's anti-american if done for the right reasons. I think it just shows that you think it's gone so far from what it should be that it is no longer your country and you want to show that in the most explicit way possible. It could be considered an act of dedication to the country in order to abandon it so completely just to emphasize how far gone it is. This is just a guess as I don't really read Superman and didn't read that series.

Not voting is a right you have, it's not anti-american. If you don't like any of the options you have the right not to choose any, if you're just lazy then you need a kick in the butt.

I haven't watched the video as I detest Fox News for several reasons and refuse to watch them for any reason.
 
That's the hero......he shows the way out. Flaws are fine. But if that's all we show in heroes, then what's heroic in them? Nothing.

Everything. Someone who's in the same situation as us, persevering when it gets really ugly...that's a hero. Anything else should be relegated to fanfiction.net or any other fanfiction website.
 
I've seen far more distrust of authority popping up on the far-right/Libertarian circles than I have on the far-left lately...just look at Cliven Bundy and the rest. To me they basically seem like anarchists.

As for comic book authors putting a political viewpoint into comic books, it is certainly not a new trend at all. More than likely some pundit over at Fox News saw a blog post on the internet (or maybe picked up a comic book for the first time in their life) and thought this was something new.

It doesn't take a genius to see the liberal bent in the work of Denny O'Neill or the conservative bent in the work of Frank Miller. So this "trend" is decades old.

EDIT: By the way, I find the headline "Is the far-left hijacking our superheroes" to betray an incredible sense of social entitlement and historical revisionism--conservatives historically have done everything they can to water-down and attempt to destroy the comic book industry, starting with the comic book hearings in the '50s and the forced censorship of comic books via the Comics Code Authority.

I mean, this reporting is the usual Fox News rhetoric where they manufacture a controversy themselves

"Comic book artist are now calling out pervasive liberal bias." Which comic book artists said this? Just the Rivoche and Dixon they interview? I highly doubt it's an industry-wide sentiment.

The basis for this segment is a Wall Street Journal opinion piece by the two. Fox News reporting something out of the Wall Street Journal is the very definition of the preacher preaching to the choir.

What's sad is it's a manufactured controversy from like three years ago. They already mulled over the "un-American" actions of Superman back when that issue was published.

The two also defend the CCA and make no mention of the massive government pressure involved in its creation:

In the 1950s, the great publishers, including DC and what later become Marvel, created the Comics Code Authority, a guild regulator that issued rules such as: "Crimes shall never be presented in such a way as to create sympathy for the criminal." The idea behind the CCA, which had a stamp of approval on the cover of all comics, was to protect the industry's main audience—kids—from story lines that might glorify violent crime, drug use or other illicit behavior.

In the 1970s, our first years in the trade, nobody really altered the superhero formula. The CCA did change its code to allow for "sympathetic depiction of criminal behavior . . . [and] corruption among public officials" but only "as long as it is portrayed as exceptional and the culprit is punished." In other words, there were still good guys and bad guys. Nobody cared what an artist's politics were if you could draw or write and hand work in on schedule. Comics were a brotherhood beyond politics.

The 1990s brought a change. The industry weakened and eventually threw out the CCA, and editors began to resist hiring conservative artists. One of us, Chuck, expressed the opinion that a frank story line about AIDS was not right for comics marketed to children. His editors rejected the idea and asked him to apologize to colleagues for even expressing it. Soon enough, Chuck got less work.
I.e. Chuck Dixon has an axe to grind.

What's funny is they say that comics are "politically correct" at the same time as saying they show "illicit" material. This shows a misunderstanding of what political correctness is. Political correctness has been made to seem to be inextricably linked with liberlaism--in fact to be politically correct is to not disturb the sensibilities of the masses.

I hate to break it to Mr. Dixon, but the people who are politically correct are him and his ilk.

Also the idea that the '70s did not bring about a sweeping change in how comic book stories were told and the material in them is an outright lie.

Some other fallacious points in that opinion piece:

Yet not all comics and graphic novels parrot the progressive line. "Maus" and "Persepolis" have both sold many hundreds of thousands of copies, and are taught in schools. Neither of these two mega-successes can be called left- or right-wing.
Perhaps not "Maus", but "Persepolis", in its portrayal of a woman's journey to break out of the patriarchal religious theocracy of Iran and an embrasure of punk rock is certainly a leftist sentiment.

You can, if you choose to, find libertarian content in "X-Men."
If you choose to? You mean these things are up for interpretation? I thought they had objectively liberalist agendas.

(By the way, one might be hard-pressed to find the libertarian content of "X-Men", the movies of which altered the original analogy of mutants from minorities to gay people. Also the conservative embrasure of the presumably socially liberal label of "libertarian" always brings a guffaw from me. True libertarians think that gays should be able to marry and that drugs like marijuana should be legalized--why conservatives attempt to jump on the libertarian bandwagon, I just don't know. Well, I do. They like lower taxes. I do know that they like to co-opt the term libertarian and twist it to mean something that it does not, though, and try to make it socially conservative. Libertarianism is not socially conservative)

As our contribution to that course, the two of us poured years into a graphic novel of "The Forgotten Man," conservative writer Amity Shlaes's new history of the Great Depression.
Hey, look, a plug for a historically revisionist graphic novel. How much you want to bet "The Forgotten Man" isn't a Tom Joad figure?

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One final thought...

The bias in all stories like this is that the default in our culture is a conservative perspective. Therefore a departure from this conservative perspective is "moving towards the left".

I mean, honestly. Just listen to it again "Our superheroes". "The way we at Fox News interpret them". It's being "hijacked" by the left.

The temerity of statements like that is why there is such a divide in this country.
 
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Also the idea that the '70s did not bring about a sweeping change in how comic book stories were told and the material in them is an outright lie.

Exactly. I'm guessing they never read the left wing Green Arrow and Green Lantern comics by O'Neill and Adams on their acclaimed run from the early 70's which dealt with all sorts of political and social issues at the time.

The same goes for right wing Frank Millers acclaimed Batman and Daredevil comics from the 80's at Marvel..
 
I think it's Fox News being Fox News again, only this time through a superhero filter.

I think superheroes are becoming more and more anti-authority, or rather, their anti-authority nature stands out more and more. People are becoming less trusting of cops and people in power, and that view is reflected in superhero comics.

You have Batman battling crime and corruption in a city that mirrors our cynical world (one of the reasons he's so popular imo), you have Spider-Man being a representation of the good Samaritan citizen that succeeds where the authorities fail, you have Tony Stark being a total *****e to SHIELD and the military when they ask for his weapons, Cap awaking in the 21st century and commenting on how crippled the system is (and later demolishing SHIELD in TWS), the Avengers breaking off from SHIELD, etc.

The reason it's interpreted as left-wing propaganda is because liberals generally critique the authorities more than conservatives.

-The thing that strikes me here as odd is that the predominant conservative/right wing/Fox News stance of late is small-government and criticizing the current administrations overreach. So you would think they would like comics with messages like that. Look at Civil War, it was entirely centered around the big government/small government debate. It would make sense that Captain America's "Loyal to Nothing but the Dream" stance would fit right in with Fox, but apparently not. :huh:
 
The Superman renouncing U.S citizenship thing in issue 900 was done to get people talking and buy the comic. To no surprise it worked. Creating controversy to generate interest in a product is the oldest marketing tool in the book.

Chuck Dixon shares the exact same political leanings and ideology that Fox News promotes which is why he is on their in the first place. Its like having someone who agrees with everything you do talk about an issue he knows your going to agree with. Dixon simply put isn't an unbiased reliable source on this issue.

I don't hold much validation in any 'news network' that scaremongers for head lines and frames every conversation in the black and white view of left wing or right wing. The whole way they present the topic is loaded with connotations.

Publicity aside, it still happened.......He renounced it right?? So....what else could that be but anti-American?

So what if Dixon has conservative views.....what does that mean? He cant have a point that's legit? Does his view have to be left leaning for him to be listened to?

And for the record, don't all of the cable news outlets have flame throwers?? Yes. "shrugs shoulders"
 
Just because you don't want to be part of a country doesn't mean you're against it. There's a very important difference between the two. As for Superman doing that (ignoring that it was a comic selling gimmick for a moment) it could be take as him understanding that he can't just hold himself to one part of a world he was never part of. his very being put him above everybody else on the planet no matter his childhood and what he learned. Eventually he had to understand that if he is going to be part of the world then he has to embrace it all and not just the part of it he grew up in. He is just too big for the world to belong to any part and by renouncing his American citizenship he opens himself up to the world at large.

Everyones political views mean nothing in this context. It's the context of the story itself that matters. The characters are shaped by the writers and that is what matters. The writers are shaped by their experiences and that is what matters. Their experiences are from the world we know, how we live, what we like, what we hate, what we see on the news and the internet, all of that gets taken in and put into the writer that puts into into the pages we read.

It's not the comics that are changing, it's the world.
 
Just because you don't want to be part of a country doesn't mean you're against it. There's a very important difference between the two. As for Superman doing that (ignoring that it was a comic selling gimmick for a moment) it could be take as him understanding that he can't just hold himself to one part of a world he was never part of. his very being put him above everybody else on the planet no matter his childhood and what he learned. Eventually he had to understand that if he is going to be part of the world then he has to embrace it all and not just the part of it he grew up in. He is just too big for the world to belong to any part and by renouncing his American citizenship he opens himself up to the world at large.


Everyones political views mean nothing in this context. It's the context of the story itself that matters. The characters are shaped by the writers and that is what matters. The writers are shaped by their experiences and that is what matters. Their experiences are from the world we know, how we live, what we like, what we hate, what we see on the news and the internet, all of that gets taken in and put into the writer that puts into into the pages we read.

It's not the comics that are changing, it's the world.

Okay........that just makes no sense AT ALL.........

That's like a spouse saying, "I have nothing against you. I just don't want to be with you anymore"
You cant go north and south at the same time.
 
It makes sense. It's similar to your example of divorce. Sometimes you can't bear to see someone go so far from what they were that you leave them.

Ask most people and they'll admit they love their country but imagine if you grew up in a country where you were told it was the greatest, everyone in it told the truth and nothing was going wrong and it was true. Now imagine that over the course of a decade that it slowly started to go to pieces. The government went totally corrupt, criminals ruled the justice system, law and order were dependent on an uncaring police and everyone you know was getting hurt or killed all the time. You'd leave. If you felt so betrayed by your home that you felt so disconnected from it then you'd leave and never want to return. You may even want to cut all ties you've ever had to it.
 
I again have to ask why Chuck Dixon is trying to mix conservatism and libertarianism, because there have been famous libertarians that have actually renounced their American citizenship so they don't have to pay federal taxes. They feel the American government is too powerful and has too much control over their lives, so they've moved out of America and denounced it, including one of the co-founders of Facebook.

I mean righties tend to like Reason.org, so I guess I'll just link it here

Earlier this month it was reported that the number of Americans renouncing their citizenship increased sixfold in the second quarter compared to last year. According to The Wall Street Journal, more Americans renounced their citizenship in the first two quarters of 2013 than the whole of 2012 combined. The increase comes ahead of a July 2014 deadline (which has been moved back six months) imposed by an absurd piece of legislation called the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA), which compels foreign financial institutions to disclose the holdings of their American customers to American authorities as part of the U.S. government's latest attempt to crack down on Americans who avoid taxes by keeping assets abroad.

Of course, American authorities can’t legally force a foreign entity to do anything. However, they can threaten to impose a 30 percent withholding tax on income from American sources on a foreign financial institution if those institutions don’t comply with the U.S. Treasury Department’s demands, thereby turning foreign businesses into an IRS enforcement tool. The recent news of the huge increase in the number of Americans renouncing their citizenship is only the latest reminder of not only the arrogance of the IRS but also of the fact that American tax laws place an unreasonable burden on American who live abroad.


One of the most notable instances of an American renouncing his citizenship is Eduardo Saverin, the Brazilian-born co-founder of Facebook, who has lived in Singapore since 2009. Ahead of Facebook’s IPO Saverin renounced his American citizenship, although Saverin denied that his decision was based on economic incentives. Saverin’s decision upset some legislators on Capitol Hill, and prompted Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) and some of his colleagues to sponsor a bill, which died in committee, called the Ex-PATRIOT Act, which would have punished Americans who chose to make the rational decision to take legal means to move assets and wealth abroad in an attempt to hand over less money to the government. One of the most objectionable parts of Schumer’s Ex-PATRIOT Act is its title. While perhaps a clever backronym, the implication that you must be somehow unpatriotic for living abroad or for choosing to take legal means to lower your tax bill is disrespectful and symptomatic of a worrying attitude towards the relationship between citizens and their government.



What may come as a shock to many Americans is that the U.S. is one of the only countries in the world that taxes its citizens who live abroad. This issue was made painfully aware to me when I moved back to the United States in January 2012 from the U.K.


Paying U.S. tax is and will continue to be a major issue for my family. Among my three siblings, my parents, and myself there are three nationalities represented. All of us are American citizens, some of us are New Zealand citizens, and some of us are British. Only one of these countries requires that each of us submit a tax return every year until we die: the United States.


Perhaps I have an unusual sentimentality attached to my American citizenship because it is something I earned, having become an American citizen in 2009 after a process that is itself a subject worthy of its own article. I am very happy that I am an American and I feel very privileged and lucky to be allowed to live in the U.S. However, this does not mean that I would not reconsider my citizenship if I left the U.S. (at the moment unlikely) and the American authorities decided to hound me every year for the rest of my life.


It’s astonishing that the American government would punish some of the world’s most patriotic people by making them choose between their citizenship and the headache that comes with trying to be compliant with awful laws like FATCA. The requirements imposed by FATCA on foreign financial institutions and the punishments that come with non-compliance mean that sometimes foreign banks don't let Americans open accounts at all.


Instead of seeking to punish Americans who make rational economic decisions, American legislators should perhaps consider how absurd U.S. tax laws are compared with other developed nations. Why not make it so that U.S. taxes are based on residency, not citizenship? While such a move would bring the U.S. in line with other wealthy countries, it would not be conducive to the goal of legislators who passed legislation like FATCA, which is to squeeze every American for whatever money they might owe in order to help finance our overspending government. Reassuringly, even with the growing reach of the IRS there is still something, albeit regrettable, that Americans can do to keep their own money; namely, renounce their citizenship.

So, is it morally repugnant for a character to renounce their citizenship for moralistic reasons while real people renounce it for basically financial gain?
 
It makes sense. It's similar to your example of divorce. Sometimes you can't bear to see someone go so far from what they were that you leave them.

Ask most people and they'll admit they love their country but imagine if you grew up in a country where you were told it was the greatest, everyone in it told the truth and nothing was going wrong and it was true. Now imagine that over the course of a decade that it slowly started to go to pieces. The government went totally corrupt, criminals ruled the justice system, law and order were dependent on an uncaring police and everyone you know was getting hurt or killed all the time. You'd leave. If you felt so betrayed by your home that you felt so disconnected from it then you'd leave and never want to return. You may even want to cut all ties you've ever had to it.

That's kinda ridiculous
 
Is this actually something that is news to you SHAZAM? Are you aware of the actual history of comic books and the American superhero at all?

If anything you are coming across as someone who has a political view already decided and are unhappy with any view OTHER than yours coming being involved in any way in comic book superhero stories.

Yes, I like many do find it off putting when the author of any given book unnaturally injects his or her's strongly held politically view into their current work, but... There are also many times when this can lead to more sophisticated and thought provoking material as well. And again it's nothing new. Take Ollie Queen as an example. From Denny O'neil's interactions between Hal Jordan and Ollie Queen, and Green Arrow and Hawkman to Mike Grell's handling of the character you see work that had Ollie go from energized liberal to proto libertarian. Steve Ditko's original THE QUESTION was basically a mouth piece for his Objectivist/Randian world view. Many would say that much of what Batman has been in the last 30 years or so is a sort of Libertarian/Conservative fantasy. I mean, you don't have to search that hard for articles written by various conservative pundits that saw THE DARK KNIGHT film as somehow being an endorsement of the Bush-Cheney administrations policies. No... Go ahead, search for them. I'll wait. (The fact that a ton of people took away a different view altogether might also say a lot. )



Point being that whether these characters should be idealized heroes to emulate as seems to be your druthers or not, they will still then be used to idealize some kind of world view, and sometimes that may even be, if thought about too deeply perhaps, a view you yourself don't hold to any logical or illogical degree.
 
That's kinda ridiculous

I actually view my country, The United States of America, much the same way I view my parents. They succored me, allowed me to grow, protected and nourished me in mind and body, but... They are still human beings, not some perfect ideal given flesh. (Same as the founders of my country... Real actual flesh and blood men.) So by the time I was at least a young adult, for all my love of them, I could see what flaws they did have as people. Didn't make me love them any less, especially since despite those flaws I wasn't mistreated or abused and was always loved and supported, but still, they are there. If I can look at my parents, my own flesh and blood in such a way, then surely one can be critical of your native country's history or it's government's policies and not be thought of as a traitor, ect.

Btw, that doesn't mean I am for the story of Superman publicly giving up his citizenship, which, SPOILER, is now part and parcel of a continuity that is kaput at DC, if it ever was IN continuity to begin with.
 

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