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The Dark Knight Heath's Potential For an Oscar

I've been trying to miss out on reviews and such, but I heard one dude saying he declared Heath the greatest onscreen villain of all time.

Times like this when I really hope Heath knew what people thought of him when the prologue and trailer first came out.
 
Trouble is if he wins so many people will just claim it was because of his death, no matter how deserving he might be.

Yep. People who say that are stupid then. If that was so true, how come Brandon Lee didn't win an Oscar for "The Crow"? That film was amazing & Lee nail the role perfectly. Like I said, some people make excuse on this or that when they are no difference. Sad really. :whatever:
 
The problem with saying Heath should get an Oscar is that none of us have seen the movie and as such can't judge his performace yet.
The Acdamey also have a history of ignoring actors in this genre, Nicholson was nominated for a Golden Globe though.
Also we all have personal basis, seeing his performance as the Joker through the eyes of a non-fan may be a different experience that seeing it through a fan's eyes.
We haven't seen any of the "Award" films yet. We don't know what his competition is yet.
 
Things look very promising but let's wait until we actually see the final product to judge how Ledger's performance rates.I am actually pretty wary of all of this Oscar talk from the director, critics, cast and fans. Just because it's (apparently) great doesn't mean it deserves awards.:o

And looking at this thread it seems a group of people have already made their minds up about TDK and Ledger's performance. It can do no wrong.:ninja:
 
Yep. People who say that are stupid then. If that was so true, how come Brandon Lee didn't win an Oscar for "The Crow"? That film was amazing & Lee nail the role perfectly. Like I said, some people make excuse on this or that when they are no difference. Sad really. :whatever:

Saying Heath deserves an oscar without even seeing the movie is stupid. :whatever:
 
Saying Heath deserves an oscar without even seeing the movie is stupid. :whatever:

I agree that each individual person must make a decision on whether they feel he deserves a nomination (not even talking win)...but from reading the reviews, it's hard to say that he won't be nominated. Numerous top film critics say he deserves the nomination based on this performance.
 
Saying Heath deserves an oscar without even seeing the movie is stupid. :whatever:

You need to read my post carefully. I'm saying if he was to win the Oscar & some dismiss it as because people pity him for his death, they are stupid. It has nothing to do with his death.

And some people who have seen the film early mention that. Even Kevin Smith himself & we all know he is a big comic book fan. :p
 
I'm trying to think. I know Oscar worthy films are usually released later in the year, but what potential performances have stuck out so far besides Heath's? All I can think of were good movies from last year.
 
I'm not doubting his performance is gonna be incredible. However, as other people have said, it's hard for comic movies to get serious recognition other than special effects awards. BUT. It's a good sign that it's present in a lot of early reviews that his performance is in fact Oscar-worthy, because the press have a hand in how the Academy makes their decisions. The Academy isn't going to listen to us the fans, but if they hear it from a lot of critics that this is a special performance, they make take that into mind. Also, unfortunately, it doesn't hurt his chances since he has passed away. I think the combination of the tragedy of his death with the fact that the press is behind him when it comes to his performance could possibly push him towards an Oscar nomination. Also, the lineup for movies in 2008 doesn't really show a whole lot of potentially Oscar-crazy movies like there was in 2007. 2007 was so easy to tell ahead of time what was going to be nominated. But seeing as PTA isn't doing a movie this year and the Coens are doing a comedy (which could go either way with the Academy, again unfortunately), this may open up some room for Heath. But the Academy has also done some ****ty stuff like giving the special effects award to the Golden Compass' video-game-lookin' polar bears over the most seamless special effects I've ever seen, that of Transformers.

All I can say is that we have to wait and see and hope the Academy doesn't drop the ball.
 
I know he will get one, it is outstanding how he got this Joker to become so real you think he is in your city. He deserves the OSCAR!
 
I'm trying to think. I know Oscar worthy films are usually released later in the year, but what potential performances have stuck out so far besides Heath's? All I can think of were good movies from last year.

It's been slim pickings to date, as you say, most films vying for Oscars are released around October-November, it's not unheard of for films and actors to get early Oscar buzz, even this early in the year, we'll get a better idea of the competition come November, it's a long way between now and then and there's many a film and actor to come.
 
If the guy from No country for Old men or Denzel can win for Training day
then I see no reason why Heath cant win this year or next when ever the Oscars take place

People that usually win are the ones that give great performances and the ones that take a drastically different role so at the very least he will gain a nod and if he doesn't win there better be a good excuse other than its a comic movie
 
Things look very promising but let's wait until we actually see the final product to judge how Ledger's performance rates.I am actually pretty wary of all of this Oscar talk from the director, critics, cast and fans. Just because it's (apparently) great doesn't mean it deserves awards.:o

And looking at this thread it seems a group of people have already made their minds up about TDK and Ledger's performance. It can do no wrong.:ninja:

Reviews have given his performance consistently huge plaudits, this has gone beyond fan praise:ninja:
 
Why Heath Ledger won't win an Oscar


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[FONT=arial,helvetica][SIZE=+1]Oscar watchers dampen award hype for Ledger's Joker[/SIZE][/FONT]
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When the new Batman movie "The Dark Night" began screenings last month before its U.S. debut on Friday, some moviegoers saw Heath Ledger as an instant Oscar candidate as the deranged villain, The Joker.
But Oscar watchers and veteran critics say the joke may be on fans creating mostly Internet-based buzz because an Academy Award for the Australian actor, who died of an accidental drug overdose in January, would be a rare event. Only one actor has won an Oscar after death, Peter Finch for 1976's "Network."
"Dark Knight" is the type of comic book, action adventure that Oscar voters generally do not favor and there are many movies to see later this year, the experts said.

Still, Ledger's critically hailed performance may bring a nomination for the U.S. film industry's top award, to be presented next on February 22, 2009.
"All this Oscar talk is a phenomenon of the Internet age that I like to call 'a wish-fulfillment rumor.' If people say it often enough, they think it will happen," said Leonard Maltin, film critic for TV program "Entertainment Tonight."
"That's not to say it might not happen," he said, citing a "great performance" by Ledger. "But I assure you that the people who are spreading all this are neither Oscar voters nor (Hollywood) movers and shakers."
Tom O'Neil, a columnist for award-watching Web site The Envelope.com, said "it really looks good" for a nomination but was "a long shot" to win.
Hollywood has a long history of seeing big stars -- James Dean, Marilyn Monroe and Bruce Lee among them -- appearing in high-profile films released after their untimely deaths.
O'Neil said that when Finch died, Hollywood was in the middle of Oscar season and also in shock. Prior to that, Robert De Niro was sweeping the critics' awards for "Taxi Driver."
Veteran Oscar watcher O'Neil also sees parallels between the truncated careers of Ledger and James Dean.
"Like Heath, James Dean was a heartthrob star who was considered a serious actor, who died tragically young," O'Neil said. "He was nominated twice posthumously, for "East of Eden" and "Giant," and he lost both times."
Even the legendary Spencer Tracy was ignored by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, which gives out the Oscars, after he died in 1967 just as "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?" was coming. And he was the front-runner, O'Neil said.
Tracy's co-star Katharine Hepburn did win best actress for "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?"
"That's how reluctant Oscar voters are to hug the dead," O'Neil said. "These awards are all about hugs and there's something creepy about embracing the dead." (Editing by Bob Tourtellotte and John O'Callaghan)


Saw this on my yahoo page, thought I'd post it. I don't necessarily agree with it, I'll just wait to see other performances that come out this year before I decide.
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If the man deserves to be nominated, NOMINATE HIM.
 
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - When the new Batman movie "The Dark Knight" began screenings last month before its U.S. debut on Friday, some moviegoers saw Heath Ledger as an instant Oscar candidate as the deranged villain, The Joker.

But Oscar watchers and veteran critics say the joke may be on fans creating mostly Internet-based buzz because an Academy Award for the Australian actor, who died of an accidental drug overdose in January, would be a rare event.

Only one actor has won an Oscar after death, Peter Finch for 1976's "Network."

"Dark Knight" is the type of comic book, action adventure that Oscar voters generally do not favor and there are many movies to see later this year, the experts said.

Still, Ledger's critically hailed performance may bring a nomination for the U.S. film industry's top award, to be presented next February 22, 2009.

"All this Oscar talk is a phenomenon of the Internet age that I like to call 'a wish-fulfillment rumor.' If people say it often enough, they think it will happen," said Leonard Maltin, film critic for TV program "Entertainment Tonight."

"That's not to say it might not happen," he said, citing a "great performance" by Ledger. "But I assure you that the people who are spreading all this are neither Oscar voters nor (Hollywood) movers and shakers."

Tom O'Neil, a columnist for award-watching Web site The Envelope.com, said "it really looks good" for a nomination but was "a long shot" to win.

Hollywood has a long history of seeing big stars -- James Dean, Marilyn Monroe and Bruce Lee among them -- appearing in high-profile films released after their untimely deaths.

O'Neil said that when Finch died, Hollywood was in the middle of Oscar season and also in shock. Prior to that, Robert De Niro was sweeping the critics' awards for "Taxi Driver."

Veteran Oscar watcher O'Neil also sees parallels between the truncated careers of Ledger and James Dean.

"Like Heath, James Dean was a heartthrob star who was considered a serious actor, who died tragically young," O'Neil said. "He was nominated twice posthumously, for "East of Eden" and "Giant," and he lost both times."

Even the legendary Spencer Tracy was ignored by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences, which gives out the Oscars, after he died in 1967 just as "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?" was coming out in theaters. And he was the front-runner, O'Neil said.

Tracy's co-star Katharine Hepburn did win best actress for "Guess Who's Coming To Dinner?"

"That's how reluctant Oscar voters are to hug the dead," O'Neil said. "These awards are all about hugs and there's something creepy about embracing the dead."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080717/film_nm/ledger_dc
 
The last comment in particular really irks me.
 
They really have lost all grips with their roots haven't they? Getting an Oscar is like getting a hug? Excuse me? I thought it was about awarding the best performance... not kissing ass or making friends. please
 
The entirety of the cast and crew of the film aren't considered "movers and shakers?"
 
A nomination is a realistic goal. Winning probably won't happen. But the nomination alone is an incredible thing for a simple "comic book character."
 
Globes folks...golden globes, the oscars have fallen to the ranks of best hard rock act going to Jethro Tull infamy IMO. Films used to be valued based on their ability to emotinally, or intellectually move the viewer...not so anymore. If the aforementioned criteria was still in effect Irreversible would have gotten best picture noms. Does it matter if your affected posetively or negatively??? Shouldn't. If joker makes your skin crawl more than anyone in cinematic history this side of hannibal lector...heath deserves the damn statue.
 
If being dead doesn't help your chances of winning an Oscar, it shouldn't be able to hurt them either. The truth is, they are biased against the super-hero film genre. The fact that they're talking about it, even to say that it probably won't happen, is proof that Heath's performance is getting attention. Sure he'll be nominated just to avoid an all-out rampage, but he doesn't have a chance of winning because the Oscar-voters can't be bothered to look down their noses at a silly "super-hero" film. Makes me sick.
 

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