Heimdall was cast!

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  1. JAK® Upstart

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    This comparison doesn't work. First of all, elves and hobbits are different species, while black and white people are not. Secondly, there are no elvish actors. This is the only way the comparison will work. In your scenario, they have cast an actor regardless of race, but altered the characters 'race' anyway.

    Not to mention Lord of the Rings depends on different and separate 'kingdoms' of human-like races to establish its unique fantasy world.
     
  2. afan Registered

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    We do now....:cwink:
     
  3. spider-neil spins a web any size!

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    a better example to to choose a comic book movie (as this is a comic book movie) move down the list of the actors (lead all the way down) and then choose an equivalent character and then change the colour.
    you can't say how you feel if they made robbie robinson (spidey movies)white because robbie isn't a minor character, it's more what if they made betty brant black.
     
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    Exactly. Let's be clear, if I was directing Thor, I would have cast a white actor as Heimdall. I'm a purist, so it's not like I totally agree with the decision, but with an actor of Elba's ability I have to give him the benefit of the doubt. But Franklin, you're going off in some wild tangents that makes this seem a bit more personal on your part. And the fact you keep calling it a "gimmick" casting decision is equally troubling. There have been thousands of characters on stage and screen depicted differently than the way they were written. It happens, but it's just entertainment and you shouldn't take it as a slight.
     
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  5. Rich Santoro Addicted to degeneracy

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    The Why is??? So if he has puts on a knock out performance in the role (big or small) does it matter if he was cast because Branaugh liked his audition, or because some suit wanted to add diversity???

    You would be OK with one reason, but not the other... regardless of the actually results in the film???

    This is why people like Branaugh makes films and not people of brick wall logic.
     
  6. Manowar Registered

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    I'm very curious as to how they will explain/handle it in the movie. Because to me, it's a little distracting. Just doesn't make any sense really. Nick Fury was a surprise, but plausible. Heimdall is an Asgardian Norse God (Hogun isn't), so I dunno.

    And I doubt people are being racist on this thread. Is it wrong to think that it's a bad choice and doesn't make any sense? And if there is debate over it, it's just a debate. If somone was racist, I think you would see it pretty quickly...As has happened in these forums in the past.
     
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  7. Stripesy Strip Eat That, Jimmy Olsen!

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    The Thor production of the Thor movie are ashamed of its Norse roots, it seems to me.

    I'm not too impressed by Kenneth Branagh.
     
  8. terry78 I'm not cap'n crunch, fool

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    What reason has he given to doubt his talent before?
     
  9. afan Registered

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    If it was the will of a suit that determined the casting I would have less respect for the film and the director than if it was the power of the actor.

    It would be tantamount to watching Thor drink endless quantities of BUD LIGHT.
     
  10. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Random mortal: Heimdall, you're black! But you're white in the myths!
    Heimdall: We gods have more important matters to consider than correcting the errors of Viking skalds.

    And let's be very clear about this Hogun thing: Hogun is not from the city of Asgard. He is, however, indigenous to the dimension of Asgard. He is an Asgardian god; he was just born on another part of the Asgardian continent and thus has different features from those of the gods born in and around the city of Asgard itself. It's not like some random dude just wandered into Asgard and the gods accepted him. There are other races in Asgard.
     
  11. Darknightnomis The Dark Knight Strikes!

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    I think in the current Thor comics Heimall Mortal self IS black.

    So maybe that had an influence on the casting.
     
  12. JAK® Upstart

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    So what are you suggesting? Only cast Norwegian actors?

    Should we go a step further and cast actual gods in the role?
     
  13. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    Heimdall doesn't have a "mortal self" in the comics. His spirit went into a white man from New Orleans until Thor freed him and restored his body.
     
  14. afan Registered

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    Interesting, is that Ezra?

    Could this be what the casting is from? A black man from New Orleans is not a stretch in casting.
     
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  15. Rich Santoro Addicted to degeneracy

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    What makes you small-minded is your certitude that it was a "affirmative action pick". Your diatribe about it being a "gimmick cast". Your dismissal of the artistic selection made by the director...

    The false equivalency about Bilbo is a nice touch. I think you are exhibiting a bit of reactionary angst, against... whatever, and people are calling you on it. It is not racism... it is ignorance. Rock on...
     
  16. Stripesy Strip Eat That, Jimmy Olsen!

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    Thor had the chance to have the most kickass cast in the history with guys like Stellan Skarsgård, Ray Winstone, Brendan Gleason, Nick Nolte, Vladimir Kulich, Max Martini, etc...and instead went PC bull*****.

    Screw Hollywood and their wussy filmakers.
     
  17. JAK® Upstart

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    Interesting fact for people against the casting because black norse gods are historically inaccurate/unrealistic.

    If we were going to get technical about accuracy when it comes to race, ancient scandinavians were definitely white. But they were white. As in, pale skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. White people as we know them today, in America and Britain, are actually the result of the light-skinned vikings and meditarranean romans mixing in roman-occupied Britain. So a lot of white people have brown hair and can tan easily due to the genetic mixing.

    So, if we were going to be technical, every norse god would have blonde hair and blue eyes like Thor.

    Black haired Jamie Alexander playing black haired Lady Sif is therefore inaccurate.
     
  18. TheCorpulent1 SHAZAM!

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    I doubt it. Is the rebirth via humans plot point even in the film? I can't imagine why it would be, since this will be the first presentation of Marvel's Asgardians on film and they weren't reborn in the comics until recently, after a very long and specific storyline.

    Basically, I think the people making the film were either told to cast a black man or Elba's audition blew them away. Either way, Elba's awesome so I'm happy. :)
     
  19. topdog1 Hero For Hire

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    "Wolverine is NOT that tall."

    "Spider-Man CAN'T have organic webshooters."

    "The Kingpin is NOT black."

    "The director of Zuthura is going Iron Man? WTF?"

    "These movies are going to suck."

    Do extreme fanboys ever get tired of being wrong? Blowing a gasket over the skin tone of a character that will have 4 minutes of air time can be added to the list.
     
  20. DocHoliday The King of Cool

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    I hope he has a fight scene.
     
  21. Rich Santoro Addicted to degeneracy

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    Not to mention... This is the Marvel-Movie-verse... whose cannon thus far and assuredly to come, is demonstrably different than the the comic book cannon.

    Not getting that is just silly.

    IM was captured by a multinational terrorist organization in the desert... TIH was created by a gamma irradiated off-shoot of the SSS... Obadiah Stane was Tony Stark's business partner... Emil Blonsky was a British special forces commando...

    Get over it.
     
  22. BoredGuy Never Did a Popular Thing

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    They could go all Starry-Faced with Heimdall and then you won't even see his skin color.

    I say take a wait-and-see approach on this one.

    Again, faith in Branagh...
     
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    I just hope the ethnicity of Heimdell was changed for artistic purposes, not to pander to the politically correct zealots.

    And with it being Branagh in charge, I'm confident it's the former.
     
  24. Stripesy Strip Eat That, Jimmy Olsen!

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    It's wussy because instead of doing a good movie about Thor, they chiken out and trying to appease to other demographics "so the movie is accepted in other countries". It has nothing to do with your other examples.

    I can't wait to see what they're gonna do with Captain America. "you have can't him be too patriotic".
     
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    So even if they are trying to appease other demographics, that automatically makes it a bad film? Are you even thinking before you type?
     
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