Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - Part 11

[AnneFan]

They handled Superman perfectly IMO. Nods to him but no spoilers.

 

[Ryudoz]

That's dramatic. We're going to see Superman as soon as Shazam! hits (IMO) which is one of the next DCEU films to go into production. The director already came out and said that "In this movie, Billy looks up and wants to be Superman. What kid doesn't? So in this movie, he becomes him." So, I expect Superman to show up and be somewhat of a mentor to Billy. Its's also been confirmed that Black Adam won't be in Shazam! while the Rock has teased a showdown with Black Adam and Superman so Supes is definitely going to be that bridge to connect the two.

That'll be all nice and good if it actually happens, I'm just more than skeptical that it'll actually happen because these kinds of things are never really that solid until they actually start to happen. I remember that this time last year Cyborg was rumored to be getting his own film. I'm not surprised that MOS2 wasn't announced, particularly since WB really wants people to think Supes is staying dead, but I'm also not naive enough to think that Supes fans are owed any sort of movie or appearance in other films just because it's Superman. There's growing interests in other characters who have yet to get their opportunity, and I support that, cause it sucks to not get to see your favorite characters onscreen.

So yeah, my comments may have been a bit dramatic, I'll concede that. However, it's truly how I feel this winds up for now. Being wrong would be nice.

 

[Ryudoz]

That being said, I'm seeing alot of non superman stuff in the pipeline, only two batman things, i don't count suicide squad personally given that is a team of everyone's villains like it was on the CW. Gone are the days where it's only Batman and Superman for WB(tv and all). flash, shazam, aquaman, wonderwoman...etc. It's a brave new world, and with that the bizarro effect of now missing superman(and batman according to some) solos

The Batman and Batgirl I'm assuming? Nightwing's director is already talking about what he wants in his Dick Grayson and how intense that will be, along with a potential Batman Trilogy that Reeves has hinted at. Provided those do well, sequels for them too.

I'm not trying to drop deuce on Bats or anything, it's just that his extended family dominate the current comics landscape (though Supes has regained quite a bit of prominence since Rebirth), so it's natural for the DCEU to mine that for content.

 

[Superchan]

Glad WB stuck to their guns and kept superman out of the trailer while keeping his presence felt, smart move IMO.

Sad to see a superman sequel absent from the slate but to be honest I wouldn't place any weight on WB's slate since 6 months ago GCS was a sure thing while WW2 and Batgirl were non existent.
I suspected that WB are gonna wait for the response to Superman in JL and then may very well hit 2 birds with one stone and do a superman v Black Adam movie or if JW2 (or the Kingsmen2) is (are) hits then WB may just give either Vaughn or Bayona a carte blanche to develop the character as they see fit.

 

[Rapunzel]

Guys, this "no Superman in the marketing" stuff is a clear indication that Supes will be doing magnificent things in this film, not the opposite!

Think: They know showing Superman's return in marketing would attract more viewers. Marketing is only letting then go this route because they know what Supes is doing is too big to spoil. This ain't no Luke in Episode 7 situation.

 

[AnneFan]

Not at all. He's shaping up to be the main man. It's clear Steppenwolf is a mean mother.

 

[Herolee10]

Of course not, because Superman doesn't actually exist in this universe, so there's nothing for Aquaman to look at. What was I thinking?

If that shot takes place in the battle underneath the sewers, then it's pretty much a given that they're not looking at Superman because every spoiler that we've gotten indicates that Superman isn't present at that battle.

Yeah, that's the likely scenario. I'm feeling pretty meh about this now. All we can do is wait and see. Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.

Man, I miss those heady pre-BVS premiere days.

Yeah, honestly it doesn't even feel like he's a part of the film at times. I honestly wish that I could be content as others are not seeing Superman at all and accepting the strong possibility that he's going to have a very SMALL role in the film in terms of his screen time.

I like it that WB stuck to their guns. There's NO NEED to ruin special moments to what the film intends to do just to appease fans. They did that in BvS's reveal of Wondy/Trinity/Doomsday and it hurt them. They've learned.

And that's the problem here; that superman is being regulated to only having "special moments". With the amount of footage that they've shown, I think it's clear that Superman will only have "special moments" since he's clearly absent from most of the biggest battles in the film.

Honestly, I'm actually rethinking if it's even worth being a Superman fan anymore. I'm so tired of following a character who is CLEARLY getting the short end of the stick for what is supposed to be THE BIGGEST DC film ever.

I would rather be a Batman fan where he's the leader, promoted heavily with the film, and is present throughout the entire film, then be a fan of Superman at this point.

 

[Herolee10]

Guys, this "no Superman in the marketing" stuff is a clear indication that Supes will be doing magnificent things in this film, not the opposite!

Think: They know showing Superman's return in marketing would attract more viewers. Marketing is only letting then go this route because they know what Supes is doing is too big to spoil. This ain't no Luke in Episode 7 situation.

With all due respect, I don't think that's the case. With the amount of footage that they've shown us, it's clear that Superman is absent from a good portion of the film.

If Superman's role is TOO BIG to spoil, then that means that he only has very little footage in the film. It's almost like the Will Turner/Orlando Bloom situation in POTC 5. They couldn't show too much of him because there wasn't too much of him to show in the first place.

 

[Arachnerd]

If Superman's role is TOO BIG to spoil, then that means that he only has very little footage in the film.

I've re-read this sentence countless times, yet I can't find any sense in it.

 

[Herolee10]

I've re-read this sentence countless times, yet I can't find any sense in it.

It means that that since there's so little footage of him (hence a small amount of screen time), even showing anything of his could possibly spoil something from the film (similar to how Disney couldn't show anything really of Orlando Bloom from POTC 5).

 

[marvelrobbins]

While it sucks for die hard superman fans i am impressed wb isn't spoiling his return in trailers.

 

[STARMAN]

I'm not concerned about the lack of Superman in the marketing. I am concerned about MOS 2 and will be until we get an official announcement.

 

[AnneFan]

Just letting you all know that once we get close to the film, I'm leaving these forums until the film is released. I want ZERO spoilers going into this film regarding Superman.

 

[vantheman77]

They need to give us an MOS 2.

 

[Bruce Malone]

They need to give us an MOS 2.

WB will argue BvS was MoS 2.

 

[kguillou]

The trailer I think confirmed we are not getting evil Superman. Therefore, my theory that I'm taking to the bank is this:

- Superman is ressurected in early act 2. After the first major action sequence with Bats/ WW/ Cyborg/ Flash and Aquaman.
- But Clark has lost his powers. He's human. Bruce encourages him to rest up and regain his strength but not to get involved.
- Throughout the the film, he will have a subplot of trying to get his powers back. He knows of the incoming threat but is powerless to help.
- End of act 2, we'll get a recreation of the "Flight" sequence from MoS. Clark learns to fly again and he's ready to don the costume once more.
- The stinger we got at the end of the trailer takes place at the beginning of act 3 once he is back to his old self and ready to help.

 

[Herolee10]

The trailer I think confirmed we are not getting evil Superman. Therefore, my theory that I'm taking to the bank is this:

- Superman is ressurected in early act 2. After the first major action sequence with Bats/ WW/ Cyborg/ Flash and Aquaman.
- But Clark has lost his powers. He's human. Bruce encourages him to rest up and regain his strength but not to get involved.
- Throughout the the film, he will have a subplot of trying to get his powers back. He knows of the incoming threat but is powerless to help.
- End of act 2, we'll get a recreation of the "Flight" sequence from MoS. Clark learns to fly again and he's ready to don the costume once more.
- The stinger we got at the end of the trailer takes place at the beginning of act 3 once he is back to his old self and ready to help.

If we ended up getting everything that you mentioned, then I'd be proven wrong with most of the stuff that I said.

Though the biggest issue still lies in the fact that Superman would only help the league near the end of the final battle since he's very late as Alfred pointed out. He'd be regressed to a "third act wonder" and his interactions with the league would be very limited, if not non-existent as result of all of that.

 

[vantheman77]

WB will argue BvS was MoS 2.

Of course they will. They don't seem invested in Superman these days.

 

[Reel-Man]

Just letting you all know that once we get close to the film, I'm leaving these forums until the film is released. I want ZERO spoilers going into this film regarding Superman.

Same here. I've been doing this for a few movies and it's so much better being surprised by things and a much richer experience I find.

 

[vantheman77]

The trailer I think confirmed we are not getting evil Superman. Therefore, my theory that I'm taking to the bank is this:

- Superman is ressurected in early act 2. After the first major action sequence with Bats/ WW/ Cyborg/ Flash and Aquaman.
- But Clark has lost his powers. He's human. Bruce encourages him to rest up and regain his strength but not to get involved.
- Throughout the the film, he will have a subplot of trying to get his powers back. He knows of the incoming threat but is powerless to help.
- End of act 2, we'll get a recreation of the "Flight" sequence from MoS. Clark learns to fly again and he's ready to don the costume once more.
- The stinger we got at the end of the trailer takes place at the beginning of act 3 once he is back to his old self and ready to help.

This better be how Superman will be used in Justice League. The idea of him showing up out of nowhere in Act 3 isn't going to cut it.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Of course they will. They don't seem invested in Superman these days.

The fact of the matter is a studio will only be invested in a character/property when it makes them big money plain and simple.

Do you think WB is all about WW now because they're all about female empowerment? No it's because WW made a lot of money.

Superman had his shot with MoS and it didn't make them enough money to be super satisfied and even when they teamed him up with Batman the movie still left them with something to desire.

So yeah it'll be a while before WB looks to invest heavily in Supes.

 

[vantheman77]

The fact of the matter is a studio will only be invested in a character/property when it makes them big money plain and simple.

Do you think WB is all about WW now because they're all about female empowerment? No it's because WW made a lot of money.

Superman had his shot with MoS and it didn't make them enough money to be super satisfied and even when they teamed him up with Batman the movie still left them with something to desire.

So yeah it'll be a while before WB looks to invest heavily in Supes.

Might as well give up Superman to the TV division.

 

[hurley711]

As a Superman fan I'm disappointed with the way he's been handled in this universe up to this point, but with that said we can't change the past. Now, as far as him only showing up in the 3rd act and saving the day? No way. There is just NO way that's the plan here. It's next to impossible that they would think after all of the dissatisfaction with how he has been handled so far that that would cut it in a JL movie. How they will resurrect and place him in the middle of the film is anyone's guess but my curiosity lies here.....for Supes to come back and really blow us all away like we expect and like Geoff & Gal have alluded to he better be powered up beyond his levels in MOS & BvS because Steppenwolf clearly looks way more badass than Zod and I understand he was depowered be Doomsday but still. This grand entrance better involve Superman totally blowing fans away with a full scope of his power and it better be a healthy length of a scene. I hope this is a moment that makes you want to rewatch over and over again.

 

[Rapunzel]

The trailer I think confirmed we are not getting evil Superman. Therefore, my theory that I'm taking to the bank is this:

- Superman is ressurected in early act 2. After the first major action sequence with Bats/ WW/ Cyborg/ Flash and Aquaman.
- But Clark has lost his powers. He's human. Bruce encourages him to rest up and regain his strength but not to get involved.
- Throughout the the film, he will have a subplot of trying to get his powers back. He knows of the incoming threat but is powerless to help.
- End of act 2, we'll get a recreation of the "Flight" sequence from MoS. Clark learns to fly again and he's ready to don the costume once more.
- The stinger we got at the end of the trailer takes place at the beginning of act 3 once he is back to his old self and ready to help.

I have a theory based on the line Bruce had in the trailer about the JLers "holding back."

I think Supes could return in the JLs first showdown with SWolf. But the league won't unite properly, and relies on Clark to do the heavy lifting and he gets smacked down by SW. Then, he tells the JL he can't join cause they didn't work as a team. Thus, the others are inspired to work together and be "all in" on the teamwork, so Clark comes back when he sees that...which Bruce expected and told Alfred to prepare.

This fits in with the "can't save the world alone" tag...Supes ir Bruce might even say that to rally the troops.

But I like your theory too.

 

[vantheman77]

As a Superman fan I'm disappointed with the way he's been handled in this universe up to this point, but with that said we can't change the past. Now, as far as him only showing up in the 3rd act and saving the day? No way. There is just NO way that's the plan here. It's next to impossible that they would think after all of the dissatisfaction with how he has been handled so far that that would cut it in a JL movie. How they will resurrect and place him in the middle of the film is anyone's guess but my curiosity lies here.....for Supes to come back and really blow us all away like we expect and like Geoff & Gal have alluded to he better be powered up beyond his levels in MOS & BvS because Steppenwolf clearly looks way more badass than Zod and I understand he was depowered be Doomsday but still. This grand entrance better involve Superman totally blowing fans away with a full scope of his power and it better be a healthy length of a scene. I hope this is a moment that makes you want to rewatch over and over again.

His resurrection has to be shown in the JL movie. Limiting him to the 3rd act is not going to cut it.