Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - Part 3

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I'm not treating it as a Superman return solo film. I've already mentioned above on how I would have preferred for Snyder/DC to go about the JL films regarding Superman and Batman's shared screen time in the same manner that Marvel has with Captain America and Iron Man respectively.

But that's not the case here and clearly Batman and the other heroes take higher priority than Superman. Hell, Warner Bros is putting more effort in making their solo Harley Quinn film come to life than they are with a solo Superman sequel.

the businessman will only put their priority on business which making more money...
SS, even thought it's new but it has great legs... audiences love it. Harley Quinn movie on fast track...
on the other hand,
MOS & BvS, even though superman is well known but it has poor legs... audience meh about it... MOS2 on KIV...

it is just as simple as that... money talks

(btw, me huge supporter for MOS & BvS - but i can't change the perception of the others)

 

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and herolee, you just can't compare batman to ironman, captain american or wolverine. he is much bigger than all them. to many, Nolan has elevated him beyond comic & superhero. you know like... it's cool to love him... it's cool to tell you are a batman fans... where as if you tell you are a superman / aquaman / green lantern / flash fan, people would think you r a never-grown up boy...

batman in JL... he is to lead... he is the lead star.
you will never get the balance between the 6, or between the 2.

accept it. you will have a peace mind.

 

[Herolee10]

Well I just feel kind of bad for Cavill. Despite what some will say, I thought that he was great in MOS.

Before it was announced that they were going to do BvS, I was really looking forward to seeing MOS 2, let alone seeing his Superman partake in a new Superman trilogy.

Of course, leave it to Snyder and Company to ruin that chance and take away Cavill's Superman trilogy.

What's more irritating is that with each new installment that he's been involved in as Superman, his screen time/presence keeps getting smaller.

Of course Batman fans here love to rub it in and act like a bunch of trolls to Superman fans that lost out. They knew who they are.

After BvS, I never expected to see Superman and Batman be compared as equals because the DCEU has been slowly building around the fact that Batman is the better/popular hero.

However, what I can't accept, is the fact that Superman will most likely have a one note role in JL. I just can't see Cavill's Superman as being a member of the JL because it seems like he'll be more of a outsider/last minute ally that helps the league but isn't a part of it until a much later date.

 

[Micromind]

There's MOS 2 (which is happening, unbelievable to some posters here, I know.) and JL 2, where Superman will have a bigger role.

 

[Elysium94]

I'm still going to stay hopeful for Superman's future in the DCEU.

Why would they show him as part of the group, with a hopeful smile and the sun at his back if that's not what they're giving us? Say what you will about his presentation in BvS, what they teased is what they gave us.

Until proven otherwise, I still believe that Superman will solidify the unity of the League and fully become the hero we've all wanted.

 

[Herolee10]

There's MOS 2 (which is happening, unbelievable to some posters here, I know.) and JL 2, where Superman will have a bigger role.

Until we get an Director Attached, I'm not really holding out for any more (it's in active development) type of news.

And depending on how well JL 1 does, we may have to wait 2 years for an JL film where Superman is actually involved with the group or for a few more years if JL 1 also tanks and bombs, causing Warner Bros to reshuffle their plans once more.

Plus, it doesn't make it any less easier to accept the fact that for the first JL film ever, Superman will have such a small role (regardless of whether he saves the league or not in the end. It's nothing more than a glorified cameo at best if they go that route)

I'm still going to stay hopeful for Superman's future in the DCEU.

Why would they show him as part of the group, with a hopeful smile and the sun at his back if that's not what they're giving us? Say what you will about his presentation in BvS, what they teased is what they gave us.

Until proven otherwise, I still believe that Superman will solidify the unity of the League and fully become the hero we've all wanted.

Well I remember back when FOX released shots of Cyclops in uniform alongside the other X-Men for X3, causing some people to think that he would pretty involved....only for everyone to end up being disappointed when he was killed off so early.

I'm not saying that he's going to come back dark in the film. I suspect that by the end of the film, that he'll be alright and happy with his newfound role on Earth.

However, I don't think that Superman will have any substantial role in the film other than popping up for one heavy CGI sequence that involves turning the tide of the battle, followed by a scene or two for closure in the aftermath and that's it.

Hell, we'll be lucky if Superman's screen time is anything like Hawkeye's from the first Avengers film.

 

[sf2]

Well I just feel kind of bad for Cavill. Despite what some will say, I thought that he was great in MOS.

Before it was announced that they were going to do BvS, I was really looking forward to seeing MOS 2, let alone seeing his Superman partake in a new Superman trilogy.

Of course, leave it to Snyder and Company to ruin that chance and take away Cavill's Superman trilogy.

What's more irritating is that with each new installment that he's been involved in as Superman, his screen time/presence keeps getting smaller.

Of course Batman fans here love to rub it in and act like a bunch of trolls to Superman fans that lost out. They knew who they are.

After BvS, I never expected to see Superman and Batman be compared as equals because the DCEU has been slowly building around the fact that Batman is the better/popular hero.

However, what I can't accept, is the fact that Superman will most likely have a one note role in JL. I just can't see Cavill's Superman as being a member of the JL because it seems like he'll be more of a outsider/last minute ally that helps the league but isn't a part of it until a much later date.

well, they scrapped MOS trilogy for BvS... and the theatrical cut of BvS, and his involvement in SS... the intention is crystal clear... Batman to lead DCEU

and you don't have to feel bad for Cavill... maybe he can go to house another franchise... cough bond... cough...

However, I don't think that Superman will have any substantial role in the film other than popping up for one heavy CGI sequence that involves turning the tide of the battle, followed by a scene or two for closure in the aftermath and that's it.

i will be satisfied if that is what they gonna offer.

somehow... i have a very low demand of superman in this film... don't know why... perhaps i can get aquaman and flash...

 

[Herolee10]

Well thankfully I have the Captain America trilogy to fall back to, so I'm good. I think I've already made peace (partially) with the idea to not expect anything regarding Superman from this film, let alone to not fall for the marketing ploy that he'll be an actual member of the group. Who knows, maybe we'll get an legitimate Superman trilogy someday.

But, it kind of sucks on how we can't seem to get Superman on either TV and in the films to interact with the other JL members. He can't interact with them on the DCTV universe because of Supergirl and he can't interact with them here because of Batman's role.

 

[sf2]

Well thankfully I have the Captain America trilogy to fall back to, so I'm good. I think I've already made peace (partially) with the idea to not expect anything regarding Superman from this film, let alone to not fall for the marketing ploy that he'll be an actual member of the group. Who knows, maybe we'll get an legitimate Superman trilogy someday.

But, it kind of sucks on how we can't seem to get Superman on either TV and in the films to interact with the other JL members. He can't interact with them on the DCTV universe because of Supergirl and he can't interact with them here because of Batman's role.

it's 2016/ 2017. it isn't his time.

no expectation... and we might get some surprises...

for JL, set your mind to go in for aquaman, flash and wonderwoman... (sorry cyborg ;p)

 

[Herolee10]

Well frankly, I don't really give a damn about any of those other heroes. I mean sure, I like the Flash TV series, but I have a loyalty to Superman's character. So I could care less on what happened to those characters on film.

And I really doubt we'll ever see Henry have his time as Superman within the near future. Not as long as there's a Batman or when Snyder's in charge.

 

[idiot09]

Don't be so pessimistic man, have faith that big blue will have a big role in the movie. Superman would want you to have hope.

 

[AnneFan]

Don't be so pessimistic man, have faith that big blue will have a big role in the movie. Superman would want you to have hope.

It's all guesswork at this stage. My guess is that Lois has a meaty role in helping Superman come back from the dead. And when he does come back, it's a big deal.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

Don't be so pessimistic man, have faith that big blue will have a big role in the movie. Superman would want you to have hope.

I actually never cared about Supes before but Zack made me love him and I'm pretty sure he has planned really big and awesome stuff for the Big blue boy scout. JL is in all likelihood, Snyder's last involvement with the character so I expect him to do great things with Superman.

I know Snyder loves the character and will do him justice. BvS UC reaffirmed my stance.

#OneZackToRuleAll.

 

[Herolee10]

Don't be so pessimistic man, have faith that big blue will have a big role in the movie. Superman would want you to have hope.

I actually never cared about Supes before but Zack made me love him and I'm pretty sure he has planned really big and awesome stuff for the Big blue boy scout. JL is in all likelihood, Snyder's last involvement with the character so I expect him to do great things with Superman.

I know Snyder loves the character and will do him justice. BvS UC reaffirmed my stance.

#OneZackToRuleAll.

Well I guess the issue here is how I define the term "big" when it comes to the nature of his role.

There's no doubt in my mind that Superman will most likely return to make some big impact (think Gandalf's return at the climax in "Two Towers") on the final battle.

However, my definition of a big role would be that he doesn't only just show up for the third act...and that, if at all possible, shows up sometime in the 2nd act.

Of course with Henry having completed his role for Superman while everyone else has been filming for this film from beginning and most likely till the very end of production, it's really crushed any hope that I had of Superman having a "big" role.

If anything, the assumption that people seem to have over here regarding his return in the final battle equates to him having a big role.....I think of that as more of a big impact...not a big role.

So far, I have yet to see on how Superman benefits from being a part of a shared universe. It's done wonders for Batman and Wonder Woman since they've gotten to interact with beings outside of their usual gallery of characters. But Superman has been confined to his own characters, with Batman being the only exception to it.

And at the end of the day, he won't build a bond or build the JL up from the bottom. That joy goes to both Batman and Wonder Woman. So, what the hell does Superman get in the end that he couldn't have gotten as well from a standalone series?

 

[AnneFan]

I actually never cared about Supes before but Zack made me love him and I'm pretty sure he has planned really big and awesome stuff for the Big blue boy scout. JL is in all likelihood, Snyder's last involvement with the character so I expect him to do great things with Superman.

I know Snyder loves the character and will do him justice. BvS UC reaffirmed my stance.

#OneZackToRuleAll.

I liked Superman before Snyder, but not to this extent. Getting a new cinematic portrayal consolidated things for me. It made me dig deeper into the comics and care more about his future. Especially after I was let down with Superman Returns. Snyder and Zimmer did what should have happened back in 2006. Relaunched the brand for the next generation. No matter what anyone says to the contrary, BvS is a true sequel to Man of Steel. Key plot points carry over and Superman is at the heart of the story. The UC drives that home even further, with Clark effectively having equal screen time to Batman - who was a new character in this universe to introduce.

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I liked Superman before Snyder, but not to this extent. Getting a new cinematic portrayal consolidated things for me. It made me dig deeper into the comics and care more about his future. Especially after I was let down with Superman Returns. Snyder and Zimmer did what should have happened back in 2006. Relaunched the brand for the next generation. No matter what anyone says to the contrary, BvS is a true sequel to Man of Steel. Key plot points carry over and Superman is at the heart of the story. The UC drives that home even further, with Clark effectively having equal screen time to Batman - who was a new character in this universe to introduce.

Exactly.

BvS is Batman in Superman's world and not the other way around.

 

[BH/HHH]

If anyone thinks BvS isn't a Superman film with Batman in it then they really need to watch it again. Even the theatrical cut is that, the Ultimate Cut just gives Clark more screen time. But both are Superman films at their core.

Heck even look at Suicide Squad that teams created as a reaction to both Superman dying and a potential evil version of Superman. Superman has been at the heart of all three DCEU films so far.

 

[AnneFan]

If anyone thinks BvS isn't a Superman film with Batman in it then they really need to watch it again. Even the theatrical cut is that, the Ultimate Cut just gives Clark more screen time. But both are Superman films at their core.

Heck even look at Suicide Squad that teams created as a reaction to both Superman dying and a potential evil version of Superman. Superman has been at the heart of all three DCEU films so far.

Agreed. If you take Superman out of the DCEU, there is no DCEU.

 

[sf2]

It's all guesswork at this stage. My guess is that Lois has a meaty role in helping Superman come back from the dead. And when he does come back, it's a big deal.

that would be cool if lois involving in the reviving of superman / clark. hope you r right.

btw, found it on fb.

and you gotta see the comments...

James Plank He is the leader because even without powers he know how to beat the rest of the league. Imagine that man with any superpower









Eddie Max That's the look of all I have is my powers...wish I was trained by assassins









Ryan Polzin Try saying that when he finds out your weakness and could take you down


Isidro Paul Aldaz He's rocking that batsuit like no one ever would. That's why he's the leader!

THE BATMAN rules!!!

 

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[idiot09]

@Herolee,BN is just joking around, don't be too bothered by him.

And who knows maybe Superman will be from the very beginning of the movie and his revival will be a big part of the story like For the man who has everything kinda.And then maybe he returns before the final act and has a big role in the final fight where he interacts plenty with the league and they elect him as their leader and we get the most awesome Superman fight sequence ever.Who knows man?Lets not be too bummed about the worst case scenario.

 

[sf2]

@Herolee,BN is just joking around, don't be too bothered by him.

And who knows maybe Superman will be from the very beginning of the movie and his revival will be a big part of the story like For the man who has everything kinda.And then maybe he returns before the final act and has a big role in the final fight where he interacts plenty with the league and they elect him as their leader and we get the most awesome Superman fight sequence ever.Who knows man?Lets not be too bummed about the worst case scenario.

don't give him HOPE...

if he is not getting it... he gonna be the HULK MAD.
do the best, expect the worst.

 

[sf2]

just to lighten things up a little