Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - Part 4

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[Tony Gunk]

What? She says "Thank you'" and he smiles to acknowledge her thanks and give her comfort that'll it'll be ok. That's Superman!

To be fair what people would realistically do in situations shouldn't really be an issue with people who are invested in a world where Kal-El let his dad run back into a tornado to get a dog then proceeds to let him die.

 

[BH/HHH]

To be fair what people would realistically do in situations shouldn't really be an issue with people who are invested in a world where Kal-El let his dad run back into a tornado to get a dog then proceeds to let him die.

Oh Lord I'm so hired of hearing that, he was a teenager and his Dad told him to do something so he did. Also do you have a dog? Cause I'd certainly run back for mine.

In addition I'd like to add (cause no doubt it will go there) that we don't know if Clark had Super speed at that time either so saying things like he could rescue him in a blink are just false. Also his Dad tells him not to, he even says in the next line "I let my Father die cause I trusted him".

 

[misslane38]

To be fair what people would realistically do in situations shouldn't really be an issue with people who are invested in a world where Kal-El let his dad run back into a tornado to get a dog then proceeds to let him die.

Respecting and honoring the individual agency of another human being, especially one's own father, is just terrible, right? Going against everything your father ever believed and disrespecting one of core aspects of his parenting in a moment when he demonstrates his own capacity for love and sacrifice is the absolute worst thing ever, am I right? Clark Kent is always right. He gets to decide who lives and who dies no matter what the circumstances. Agency be damned!

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

To be fair what people would realistically do in situations shouldn't really be an issue with people who are invested in a world where Kal-El let his dad run back into a tornado to get a dog then proceeds to let him die.

ROFLMAO Brilliant t:

 

[BH/HHH]

ROFLMAO Brilliant t:

The last thread got locked but let me reiterate, Superman smiles before she says thank you.

 

[Da-Scribe]

To be fair what people would realistically do in situations shouldn't really be an issue with people who are invested in a world where Kal-El let his dad run back into a tornado to get a dog then proceeds to let him die.

I always hate this line of thinking. You're talking about a freaked out and panicked teenager here. He didn't let his dad die just to do it. He was scared as hell and didn't know what to do, so he listened to his father. But this is my overall gripe with certain critics. It's like some of you wanted him to be Superman from birth. Even as a scared kid, he can't just be a scared kid.

And hell yeah Pa Kent went back for the dog. I'd absolutely go back for my dog too. He's my family. But I suppose we shouldn't concern ourselves with "lesser" lifeforms. But for some reason, Superman should concern himself with us.

Rant over. That stuff just always aggravates me though.

Yeah, saying maybe he'll like the film more isn't implying anything at all, is it? There's not owning up to it and then there's just flat out denial. Would be wise to pick one at least.

I was implying that you didn't like an aspect of the film, because you said yourself that you didn't. Once it had been explained, I thought perhaps you'd like the film more as a whole. Again, calm yourself and stop getting so triggered. No one is attacking you.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Respecting and honoring the individual agency of another human being, especially one's own father, is just terrible, right? Going against everything your father ever believed and disrespecting one of core aspects of his parenting in a moment when he demonstrates his own capacity for love and sacrifice is the absolute worst thing ever, am I right? Clark Kent is always right. He gets to decide who lives and who dies no matter what the circumstances. Agency be damned!

So then Superman shouldn't stop a person committing suicide then. Since it is "agency be damned" if he does. Even though it's illegal. In the Reeve version it was a heart attack which made sense and brought home the message that even though he's Superman he can't save everyone. Although it was devalued a little by the ending it made sense. Don't tell me you'd let your parent die that way.

 

[BH/HHH]

I always hate this line of thinking. You're talking about a freaked out and panicked teenager here. He didn't let his dad die. He was scared as hell and didn't know what to do, so he listened to his father. But this is my overall gripe with certain critics. It's like some of you wanted him to be Superman from birth. Even as a scared kid, he can't just be a scared kid.

And hell yeah Pa Kent went back for the dog. I'd absolutely go back for my dog too. He's my family. But I suppose we shouldn't concern ourselves with "lesser" lifeforms. But for some reason, Superman should concern himself with us.

Rant over. That stuff just always aggravates me though.

Absolutely spot on

That's my issue with a lot of fans too, they want him to be perfect from the start, yet when he is perfect they also complain. I have a son and I have a dog and I consider my dog my other son so I'd definitely go back for him.

 

[BH/HHH]

So then Superman shouldn't stop a person committing suicide then. Since it is "agency be damned" if he does. Even though it's illegal. In the Reeve version it was a heart attack which made sense and brought home the message that even though he's Superman he can't save everyone. Although it was devalued a little by the ending it made sense. Don't tell me you'd let your parent die that way.

He's not Superman at that point though, he's a teenage a Clark Kent, thanks for proving my point

Also the way Pa Kent dies fits the story been told in MOS, you make it a heart attack in MOS and it doesn't fit the themes of the film.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

The last thread got locked but let me reiterate, Superman smiles before she says thank you.

Sorry didn't see your post. But that still works then. My point through out the thread has been the smile is for reassuring the people and consoling them. I just saw the scene again. He smiles once for comfort and after she thanks him, as an acknowledgement. It was a sweet moment. Which again makes him look like he's got this and in control of the situation, which he is.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

He's not Superman at that point though, he's a teenage a Clark Kent, thanks for proving my point

Also the way Pa Kent dies fits the story been told in MOS, you make it a heart attack in MOS and it doesn't fit the themes of the film.

Still works IMO. Shows that Superman can't save everyone and when people die in the final battle, it gets reiterated that no matter how powerful he is, sacrifices have to be made.

Right but which teenage boy with super powers would let their dad die? I certainly wouldn't. Regardless of what my dad said. Me being outed is a small price to pay. Not to mention he gets outed later anyway because he keeps helping out disregarding his dad's death and rendering it meaningless.

With the heart attack it could've been "my dad died and I couldn't (not didn't) do anything about it but whenever I can do something I must" and that's why he helps.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Again, ya'll might not like this version of Superman, but HE is Superman.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

Again, ya'll might not like this version of Superman, but HE is Superman.

Well he wears the 'S' shield and his alter ego is Clark Kent so that's something!

 

[BH/HHH]

Sorry didn't see your post. But that still works then. My point through out the thread has been the smile is for reassuring the people and consoling them. I just saw the scene again. He smiles once for comfort and after she thanks him, as an acknowledgement. It was a sweet moment. Which again makes him look like he's got this and in control of the situation, which he is.

I don't necessarily have a problem with the scene given when it was made but I still think it's quite ridiculous to smile in that moment when he's fighting three Kryptomians.

Still works IMO. Shows that Superman can't save everyone and when people die in the final battle, it gets reiterated that no matter how powerful he is, sacrifices have to be made.

Right but which teenage boy with super powers would let their dad die? I certainly wouldn't. Regardless of what my dad said. Me being outed is a small price to pay. Not to mention he gets outed later anyway because he keeps helping out disregarding his dad's death and rendering it meaningless.

With the heart attack it could've been "my dad died and I couldn't (not didn't) do anything about it but whenever I can do something I must" and that's why he helps.

But it wouldn't work in the context of Man of Steel.

But what powers does he have? All we know at that point is he's strong and has heat/X-Ray vision there's nothing to show at that point he has Superspeed and he certainly didn't have flight.

The world wasn't ready... That's the line, the world wasn't ready at that point and that's the point of th film.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Well he wears the 'S' shield and his alter ego is Clark Kent so that's something!

And i'm glad it makes you mad.

Mhhhm.

Yeah.

Yeah.

 

[Da-Scribe]

So then Superman shouldn't stop a person committing suicide then. Since it is "agency be damned" if he does. Even though it's illegal. In the Reeve version it was a heart attack which made sense and brought home the message that even though he's Superman he can't save everyone. Although it was devalued a little by the ending it made sense. Don't tell me you'd let your parent die that way.

People, just way too often overestimate themselves in a hypothetical crisis. I can tell you, I'd probably just listen to my dad. At 17, there's no way I'd be capable of reacting rationally. It doesn't matter what my capabilities were or weren't. I'd be too damn freaked out to know what to do, especially when it's all happening in seconds. Even more so when the thing my dad is telling me is the thing he's been telling me for years.

But that's kinda the point of everything in these movies. Pa Kent didn't want Clark revealing himself before the right time came because he knew how the world would react. The world predictably reacted awfully and it's something Clark wouldn't have been ready for as a kid. BvS was the exact world Pa Kent pictured and it is quite frankly the world we live in.

Fortunately, there's a second part to that story and we got to hear that from Jor-El. We will see the exact world Jor-El pictured in Justice League. I can't wait for that. I just love how all of this is coming together.

 

[Black Narcissus]

lol

Ya'll keep going back forth about MOS again with folks who will never like this version of Supes. Heh.

 

[Wolfgangamadeus]

I don't necessarily have a problem with the scene given when it was made but I still think it's quite ridiculous to smile in that moment when he's fighting three Kryptomians.

But like I said, the smile wasn't for him. It was for reassuring that women and acknowledging it.

But it wouldn't work in the context of Man of Steel.

But what powers does he have? All we know at that point is he's strong and has heat/X-Ray vision there's nothing to show at that point he has Superspeed and he certainly didn't have flight.

The world wasn't ready... That's the line, the world wasn't ready at that point and that's the point of th film.

Right but the tornado wouldn't affect him. So he could just have gone, carried his dad and come back.

LOL two movies in and the world still isn't ready. Don't think the DCEU will ever be ready. Also what changed in the world? why was it suddenly ready later?

At least the heart attack like most iteration is a valuable lesson which sticks and provides motivation.

 

[BH/HHH]

I can tell you, I'd probably just listen to my dad. At 17, there's no way I'd be capable of reacting rationally. It doesn't matter what my capabilities were or weren't. I'd be too damn freaked out to know what to do, especially when it's all happening in seconds. Even more so when the thing my dad is telling me is the thing he's been telling me for years.

But that's kinda the point of everything in these movies. Pa Kent didn't want Clark revealing himself before the right time came because he knew how the world would react. The world predictably reacted awfully and it's something Clark wouldn't have been ready for as a kid. BvS was the exact world Pa Kent pictured and it is quite frankly the world we live in.

Fortunately, there's a second part to that story and we got to hear that from Jor-El. We will see the exact world Jor-El pictured in Justice League. I can't wait for that. I just love how all of this is coming together.

Spit on, I do too, it's an evolution of the character, they're developing him and I'm enjoying the development. I'd rather that than he's just perfect from the offset which worked fine (and great) in 1978 but in today's age you have to do something different.

 

[Nemeres]

Oh Lord I'm so hired of hearing that, he was a teenager and his Dad told him to do something so he did. Also do you have a dog? Cause I'd certainly run back for mine.

In addition I'd like to add (cause no doubt it will go there) that we don't know if Clark had Super speed at that time either so saying things like he could rescue him in a blink are just false.

We don't know that Clark had speed, we don't know that he didn't either. If the film wanted that factor to be considered, it should have communicated the query in any form. It doesn't, you're filling in gaps out of your own accord. Which is fine. But how, how can it tire you that other people simply arent willing to do the same.

But whatever. Robot Chicken.

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[Wolfgangamadeus]

People, just way too often overestimate themselves in a hypothetical crisis. I can tell you, I'd probably just listen to my dad. At 17, there's no way I'd be capable of reacting rationally. It doesn't matter what my capabilities were or weren't. I'd be too damn freaked out to know what to do, especially when it's all happening in seconds. Even more so when the thing my dad is telling me is the thing he's been telling me for years.

But that's kinda the point of everything in these movies. Pa Kent didn't want Clark revealing himself before the right time came because he knew how the world would react. The world predictably reacted awfully and it's something Clark wouldn't have been ready for as a kid. BvS was the exact world Pa Kent pictured and it is quite frankly the world we live in.

Fortunately, there's a second part to that story and we got to hear that from Jor-El. We will see the exact world Jor-El pictured in Justice League. I can't wait for that. I just love how all of this is coming together.

So you would let your father die? really?

If the world isn't ready, this guy still keep interfering to help people out. So did it suddenly become ready? Or was he just like **** it? And that means his dad died for no reason. He died to protect his son and his son kept outing himself anyway and saved random strangers except his own father.

LOL I honestly don't see anything coming together. The only thing I can hope for in JL is Superman isn't as miserable and isn't overshadowed. That's how low my expectations have gotten. And I was psyched out of my mind for MOS and BvS.

 

[BH/HHH]

But like I said, the smile wasn't for him. It was for reassuring that women and acknowledging it.

Ok I will give you that.

Right but the tornado wouldn't affect him. So he could just have gone, carried his dad and come back.

LOL two movies in and the world still isn't ready. Don't think the DCEU will ever be ready. Also what changed in the world? why was it suddenly ready later?

At least the heart attack like most iteration is a valuable lesson which sticks and provides motivation.

He's doesn't know that though. He's obviously never dealt with one before.

Eh? No the world is ready by the end of a Man of Steel but it's not before he reveals himself. Also BvS shows a cynical world, you just have to look at celeb culture. One minute a celeb is god like they next they're been torn down by the media. The worlds response to Superman in BvS after certain events caused by one Lex Luthor questions him.

It was a more modern world, the world and Clark weren't ready at that time. He also had to discover who he was, which Pa Kent tells him is most important.

 

[BH/HHH]

We don't know that Clark had speed, we don't know that he didn't either. If the film wanted that factor to be considered, it should have communicated the query in any form. It doesn't, you're filling in gaps out of your own accord. Which is fine. But how, how can it tire you that other people simply arent willing to do the same.

But whatever. Robot Chicken.

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We know what the film shows us and prior to of that the film only shows us strength, X-ray vision and heat vision.

I'm not filling gaps at all, I'm speaking to what the movie showed us.

But to you aswell.