BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[MrsKent26]

Where does needlessly kills a human being that posed no real threat to Lois fall on that list.

That didn't happen.

 

[Tobias]

It's not so much that people don't get it, it's that it shouldn't have taken two films only then to just provide a HINT of it.

I mean, if he wasn't comfortable or unclear about his place at the end of MOS, then that ending with "welcome to the planet" and his huge grin is almost meaningless. He comes across as emotionally stunted, always looking for validation.

Very good point. I had not thought of that before.

I think the original plan was for a trilogy of standalone MOS films. That was the word prior to the release. Then MOS did not perform to studio expectations it seems and that original plan got scuttled the moment Batman was brought in and the TDKR premise announced.

I think this is why BvS seems like a regression, to me anyway, from where MOS ended.

 

[OcStat]

If I could go back in time and slap the guy who had the idea to turn a Superman sequel into BvS, I would.

 

[MrsKent26]

It's not that Superman needs to smile more and be happier, it's that he needs to show a range of emotion, he needs to seem like he cares about helping people and being Superman and not just doing it out of obligation. And most of all, they need to write him as a real three dimensional person rather than a plot point for all the other characters to talk about.

Superman does nothing proactive in this movie, the entire time he is just reacting to other people's whims.

This.

In MOS, I forgave the lack of proactive actions because it was his first day as Superman. In BvS, I wanted to see more growth than what we got. It would have made complete sense in this narrative. Even in MOS, we saw little glimpses of a more commanding superman and that is almost non-existent in BvS.

Re: Superman stand alone sequel

I wonder if there is any director out there that has a passion for Superman and love the tackle him on film.

The absolute thrashing dealt by either critics, fans, or both to the past two directors of the character would probably act as a deterrent.

 

[KalMart]

SR: Well, he's been away for a while...the world and his old girlfriend wonder if they need him anymore. So he's kinda' alienated.

MOS: Well, he's new to the world, they've never seen anything like this, ad the others like him are trying to take over the world...so it's only natural that he's feeling a bit alienated.

BvS: Well....he's been here for a while and everyone knows who he is. But with that much power, no wonder people don't trust him, especially Batman. It's all kinda' alienating.



Will Superman every be liked?

 

[sportjames23]

Where does needlessly kills a human being that posed no real threat to Lois fall on that list.

Yeah, um where did that happen?

 

[ernesth100]

The soldier who was about to shoot Lois. Superman didn't kill him. He flew him away.

 

[Karelia]

Yeah, um where did that happen?

He's talking about the first scene with Superman, where he saves Lois, and plows through that wall while holding that terrorist.

Even though he says in the movie "I didn't kill those men.'

 

[metaphysician]

Well, you know, the myths do have Loki mothering at least one monster. . . *cough*

 

[KalMart]

The soldier who was about to shoot Lois. Superman didn't kill him. He flew him away.

Or flew what was left of him after being smashed through a stone wall at high speed....away.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

You guys think a Man of Tomorrow could get off the ground if Henry Cavill produced? Word is Affleck's finished a Batman draft. It'd be cool if Cavill were more involved in the creative process. I think he really gets the character judging by his interviews.

 

[MrsKent26]

You guys think a Man of Tomorrow could get off the ground if Henry Cavill produced? Word is Affleck's finished a Batman draft. It'd be cool if Cavill were more involved in the creative process. I think he really gets the character judging by his interviews.

I do get the impression Cavill understands the character well, but he doesn't have enough clout to get a movie started. Sadly.

 

[kalhawj]

The soldier who was about to shoot Lois. Superman didn't kill him. He flew him away.

Agreed. He had his arms around him when he flow him out.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I do get the impression Cavill understands the character well, but he doesn't have enough clout to get a movie started. Sadly.

It's less about getting something started and more about doing the leg work ahead and pitching it to the brain trust and studio for the green light. Kind of like Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool.

Just a thought.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

That didn't happen.

Funny, in my viewings it's his very first scene

 

[Flint Marko]

The soldier who was about to shoot Lois. Superman didn't kill him. He flew him away.

He smashed him through numerous brick walls. That guy is dead unless we want to bend over backwards and give this Superman the benefit of the doubt. Need I remind you that this is a Superman who has killed before and, for all we know, will kill again if need be. That smile he gets on his face right before he finishes the guy off says a lot.
And for the record Superman doesn't later say to Lois, "I didn't kill anyone", he says, "I didn't kill those people". Who "those people" are is pretty ambiguous and muddied as that whole scene doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I've asked numerous people to explain it to me and no one has.

 

[Rapunzel]

Nah....the guy was protected by Supes and survived...otherwise, the senators would have mentioned that he killed the warlord.

There's always stuff in these types of films where people survive incidents that realistically would have killed them.

 

[MrsKent26]

It's less about getting something started and more about doing the leg work ahead and pitching it to the brain trust and studio for the green light. Kind of like Ryan Reynolds and Deadpool.

Just a thought.

Hmm, I see. I guess it's possible.

He smashed him through numerous brick walls. That guy is dead unless we want to bend over backwards and give this Superman the benefit of the doubt. Need I remind you that this is a Superman who has killed before and, for all we know, will kill again if need be. That smile he gets on his face right before he finishes the guy off says a lot.
And for the record Superman doesn't later say to Lois, "I didn't kill anyone", he says, "I didn't kill those people". Who "those people" are is pretty ambiguous and muddied as that whole scene doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. I've asked numerous people to explain it to me and no one has.

For some reason (I'm not even that clear on it), superman is being blamed for that whole debacle in Africa, meaning people think he killed all the men that ended up dead there or somehow his actions led to their deaths. When he says "I didn't kill those people" he was talking about all the men there, I believe.

As for the guy he flew away with, he probably made a cage with his body when he flew the guy through. Either way, they had him say his didn't kill people in Africa, so I'm taking their word for it, rather than getting upset about the scene or putting much thought into the mechanics for the dude's survival.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

He's talking about the first scene with Superman, where he saves Lois, and plows through that wall while holding that terrorist.

Even though he says in the movie "I didn't kill those men.'

The reference is to the soldiers that he didn't in fact kill. Now if some people think he grabbed the guy, and what then turned onlyy to then smash through two walls? I'll just ask those people why? How does that make any sense. I think the clear impression is that he makes that guy hamburger. Makes his anger at lex threatening momma more believable. More "real".

 

[MrsKent26]

Funny, in my viewings it's his very first scene

Ok then. I don't agree, but don't have much else to say on the matter.

 

[The Guard]

Let's break this down.

Clark says "I didn't kill those men". I think we're in agreement that he is referring to the group of terrorists who were killed.

I suppose it's open for interpretation, but seeing as how that man was a member of that group of terrorists that he is referring to, I would imagine he's saying he didn't kill him either when he tells Lois "I didn't kill those men".

The English language certainly allows for that interpretation.

It would make no sense for him to kill that man. He doesn't pose a threat to Superman. Scare the crap out of him for threatening Lois? Absolutely. Classic Superman, with the breaking of walls and so on.

Those walls explode in succession not neccessarily because Superman throws the man through them, but because SUPERMAN breaks through them.

And before he does it...he shoots a half smile Lois' way. The idea that Superman would drag a man through walls hard enough to kill him...I'm just not seeing it. There's nothing to suggest that this character would do that, in this or the previous film. Lois is out of danger, and that man is no threat to Superman.

This whole "issue" seems to be people reaching for a reason to present Cavill's Superman as contrary to the source material.

 

[Rapunzel]

The senate never says the Warlord died. Lex never says it as he's trying to make the Senator hate Supes. Thus, I say it didn't happen. The guy lived.

 

[The Guard]

Superman killing, in both films, has been hugely relevant to the plot and the resolution of the film each time he does it.

I just don't see it. I don't see it in the way the film plays the moment, in Superman's actions right before it happens, or in the reaction to it.

Is he a bit reckless with the guy? Yup. Classic Golden Age Superman moment right there.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

Well, you know, the myths do have Loki mothering at least one monster. . . *cough*

I know he gave birth to Sleipnir, but I'm British and we do love our double entendres, so I couldn't resist reacting to the 'aliens flying out of Loki's hole' statement. Yes, I admit that I am massively childish.

I know this is the wrong place to say it, but I really want an adaptation of Þrymskviða with Hemsworth and Hiddleston as bride and bridesmaid. There's so much potential for comedy there, but maybe a little bit of social commentary too - if Thor's OK with wearing a dress, it's no big deal for men to wear dresses if they want to.

And just because I tried to lighten up this thread earlier and it didn't really work, I'm posting this again. I really need some levity! Some shirtless levity!!

I didn't think that the fake contract I photoshopped and sent to his agent would actually work

But actually shirtless Clark could actually work!

(imagine glasses)
As Clark at the DP:

"No Perry I'm not covering sports again":

(imagine 'S' drawn on chest)
As Supes, running into battle:

"Diana, you dropped this!"

As Clark, at home, just doing some chores:

 

[Andreth]

Where does needlessly kills a human being that posed no real threat to Lois fall on that list.

Oh my god! NOT THIS **** AGAIN

He didn't kill him!!!!!


How is this even a discussion, if he had killed him he would have been blamed for that too. But NO, the only matter in discussion is Superman's intervention in foreign affairs, which caused the death of many people. He's not on trial for being the murderer. Not of one man, not of an entire village.

Lois even says the deaths on that village won't let her sleep well, she also feels guilty, Clark feels guilty, he talks about it on his conversation with Pa Kent. How on earth could superman and Lois be all "yay let's kill him" when they spend most of the movie feeling the consequences of those events.

Can't believe some of you are turning that smile he gives Lois as an evil & sick smile due to his excitement for killing a man.