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Holy crap - check this neo-con site out

its so sad its funny, the way some people look at things.
 
I just tried reading the article about who causes iraqi civillian casualities got about 1/4 down the page before they lost me.
 
I just tried reading the article about who causes iraqi civillian casualities got about 1/4 down the page before they lost me.

uhhh. I hate neo cons. They are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.
 
uhhh. I hate neo cons. They are the worst thing that ever happened to this country.

I don't like anyone that takes themselves too seriously. Which describes the neo cons imo. Then again I dislike people that play party lines also. I do not like democrats who vote democrat only, I do not like republicans that vote republican only, I think the only way, the electoral process will work is if people actually get involved and find out about the politicians they are electing rather than trust cnn or fox.
 
OMG,..the V for Vendetta review was priceless

Speaking of "agenda"
Anyone ever heard of this Comic -Liberty for All?
heres a description: :whatever:
It is 2021, tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of 9/11. America is under oppression by ultra-liberal extremists which have yielded governing authority to the United Nations. It is up to an underground conservative group (known as F.O.I.L.) led by Sean Hannity, G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North to thwart Ambassador Usama Bin Laden’s plans to nuke New York City.
And heres the Link
 
OMG,..the V for Vendetta review was priceless

Speaking of "agenda"
Anyone ever heard of this Comic -Liberty for All?
heres a description: :whatever:
It is 2021, tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of 9/11. America is under oppression by ultra-liberal extremists which have yielded governing authority to the United Nations. It is up to an underground conservative group (known as F.O.I.L.) led by Sean Hannity, G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North to thwart Ambassador Usama Bin Laden’s plans to nuke New York City.
And heres the Link

the best part of the whole review is the line at the end, osama bin laden must be very proud.
 
The review was funny, but wasn't V for Vendetta already considered propaganda? I mean, really.
 
what is a neo-con?

From Wikipedia:
Overview
Historically, neoconservatives supported a militant anticommunism [28], tolerated more social welfare spending than was sometimes acceptable to libertarians and mainstream conservatives, and sympathized with a non-traditional foreign policy agenda that was less deferential to traditional conceptions of diplomacy and international law and less inclined to compromise principles, even if that meant unilateral action.
The movement began to focus on such foreign issues in the mid-1970s [citation needed]. However, it first crystallized in the late 1960s as an effort to combat the radical cultural changes taking place within the United States. Irving Kristol wrote: "If there is any one thing that neoconservatives are unanimous about, it is their dislike of the counterculture."[29] Norman Podhoretz agreed: "Revulsion against the counterculture accounted for more converts to neoconservatism than any other single factor."[30] Ira Chernus, a professor at the University of Colorado, argues that the deepest root of the neoconservative movement is its fear that the counterculture would undermine the authority of traditional values and moral norms. Because neoconservatives believe that human nature is innately selfish, they believe that a society with no commonly accepted values based on religion or ancient tradition will end up in a war of all against all. They also believe that the most important social value is strength, especially the strength to control natural impulses. The only alternative, they assume, is weakness that will let impulses run riot and lead to social chaos.[31]
According to Peter Steinfels, a historian of the movement, the neoconservatives' "emphasis on foreign affairs emerged after the New Left and the counterculture had dissolved as convincing foils for neoconservatism . . . The essential source of their anxiety is not military or geopolitical or to be found overseas at all; it is domestic and cultural and ideological."[32] Neoconservative foreign policy parallels their domestic policy. They insist that the U.S. military must be strong enough to control the world, or else the world will descend into chaos.
Believing that America should "export democracy," that is, spread its ideals of government, economics, and culture abroad, they grew to reject U.S. reliance on international organizations and treaties to accomplish these objectives. Compared to other U.S. conservatives, neoconservatives may be characterized by an idealist stance on foreign policy, a lesser social conservatism, and a much weaker dedication to a policy of minimal government, and, in the past, a greater acceptance of the welfare state, though none of these qualities are necessarily requisite.
Aggressive support for democracies and nation building is additionally justified by a belief that, over the long term, it will reduce the extremism that is a breeding ground for Islamic terrorism. Neoconservatives, along with many other political theorists, have argued that democratic regimes are less likely to instigate a war than a country with an authoritarian form of government. Further, they argue that the lack of freedoms, lack of economic opportunities, and the lack of secular general education in authoritarian regimes promotes radicalism and extremism. Consequently, neoconservatives advocate the spread of democracy to regions of the world where it currently does not prevail, most notably the Arab nations of the Middle East, communist China, North Korea and Iran.
Neoconservatives also have a very strong belief in the ability of the United States to install democracy after a conflict - comparisons with denazification in Germany and installing a democratic government in Japan starting in 1945 are often made - and they have a principled belief in defending democracies against aggression. This belief has guided U.S. policy in Iraq after the removal of the Saddam Hussein regime, where the U.S. insisted on organizing elections as soon as practical [citation needed].

[edit] Distinctions from other conservatives

Most people currently described as "neoconservatives" are members of the Republican Party, but while neoconservatives have generally been in electoral alignment with other conservatives, have served in the same Presidential Administrations, and have often ignored intra-conservative ideological differences in alliance against those to their left, there are notable differences between neoconservative and traditional or "paleoconservative" views. In particular, neoconservatives disagree with the nativist, protectionist, and non-interventionist foreign policy rooted in American history and once exemplified by the ex-Republican "paleoconservative" Pat Buchanan. As compared with traditional conservatism and libertarianism, which also sometimes exhibits a non-interventionist strain, neoconservatism is characterized by an increased emphasis on defense capability, a willingness to challenge regimes deemed hostile to the values and interests of the United States, pressing for free-market policies abroad. Neoconservatives are strong believers in democratic peace theory.
The support of neoconservatives for the civil rights movement also marked it off from traditional conservatism.[11][7]
Neoconservatives also differ with the traditional "pragmatic" approach to foreign policy often associated with Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger, which emphasized pragmatic accommodation with dictators; peace through negotiations, diplomacy, and arms control; détente and containment—rather than rollback—of the Soviet Union; and the initiation of the process that led to ties between the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the United States.

-It pretty much is the wackjobs that have hijacked the Repulican party and are hellbent on "exporting democracy."
 
Theres one beef I have with that wiki-
Here:"The support of neoconservatives for the civil rights movement also marked it off from traditional conservatism"
What? Thats just dead wrong.Traditional Republicans(the back in the day Republicans)played a large role in the civil rights movement
 
Theres one beef I have with that wiki-
Here:"The support of neoconservatives for the civil rights movement also marked it off from traditional conservatism"
What? Thats just dead wrong.Traditional Republicans(the back in the day Republicans)played a large role in the civil rights movement

Here is another definition of neoconservatism I found.

U.S. political movement. It originated in the 1960s among conservatives and some liberals who were repelled by or disillusioned with what they viewed as the political and cultural trends of the time, including leftist political radicalism, lack of respect for authority and tradition, and hedonistic and immoral lifestyles. Neoconservatives generally advocate a free-market economy with minimum taxation and government economic regulation; strict limits on government-provided social-welfare programs; and a strong military supported by large defense budgets. Neoconservatives also believe that government policy should respect the importance of traditional institutions such as religion and the family. Unlike most conservatives of earlier generations, neoconservatives maintain that the United States should take an active role in world affairs, though they are generally suspicious of international institutions, such as the United Nations and the World Court, whose authority could intrude upon American sovereignty or limit the country's freedom to act in its own interests. conservatism.

-It mentions that one of the reasons neoconservatives came about was due to the left's lack of respect for authority and tradition. Obviously, the group has lost its way due to the lack of respect they have for the authority and tradition of the US Constitution that they seem to pick apart on a daily basis.

Everytime the terror alert goes up one color you lose another civil liberty.:cwink:
 
I love these:

"McCain's inept bid to join the popular culture was reminiscent of other failed Republican efforts, as when Ronald Reagan's staff tried to appropriate a song by Bruce Springsteen as its campaign theme back in the '80s, whereupon Springsteen threatened to sue. The Reagan team had neglected to note that the rock star was so far over the left cliff he thought the Communists were the heroes in Vietnam and Republicans the aggressors."

Never mind that "Born in the USA" (the song Regan's group tried to use) was really about the US neglect of Vietnam veterans.
 
Well, I'm glad that so few people take this ideology seriously anymore. I'm looking forward to a very different Republican party in the next few years.
 

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