How does Ock survive Spidey's punches?

[spideyman101]

Ock's only human... no preformance enhancers like The Goblin... and he's punched by Spidey multiple times... how come he's not knocked out?

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Because Sam Raimi plays by his own rules.

 

[spideyman101]

good point...

 

[Untilteld]

Because he's dock ock BIIITCH!

 

[Mister J]

Spider-Man regularly pulls his punches in the comics. The film followed the same pattern.

 

[Lex Luthor]

Maybe. But I would assume that Spidey would be less inclined to pull his punches with Ock during the whole fight scene on the train. Especially when you consider that Ock has the love of Peter's life kidnapped somewhere in the city. Having Spider-Man pull his punches to the extent of doing little, to no harm to Ock during this time just seems questionable....

 

[spideyman101]

Maybe. But I would assume that Spidey would be less inclined to pull his punches with Ock during the whole fight scene on the train. Especially when you consider that Ock has the love of Peter's life kidnapped somewhere in the city. Having Spider-Man pull his punches to the extent of doing little, to no harm to Ock during this time just seems questionable....

that's what i was gonna say to Geekz... down @ Geekz)

 

[webhead731]

I've always wondered that too.

Also, how does a normal human get punched a million times by a superhuman and not get all beat up looking?

 

[TwilightPro101]

I always saw it as Doc Ock had some field advantage, but Peter has always limited himself in fights. Never crossing that line.

 

[The Joker]

It's a flaw in the fighting dynamics between Spidey and Ock.

In the comics, 99% of the time Spidey can't get near Ock because of the tentacles. Occasionally he may land a punch or two on Ock, and Ock would still be conscious. But the pummeling he got in a couple of scenes in SM-2 was outrageous.

Anyway, even if Spidey did knock Octavius unconscious, it wouldn't do him any good. The tentacles were sentient in the movie. They'd still be able to attack Spidey or help Octavius escape.

 

[blitz]

its adrenaline dude! when your fighting like that the punches dont seem to hurt that bad just like...get this..in real life.

 

[spider greg]

its adrenaline dude! when your fighting like that the punches dont seem to hurt that bad just like...get this..in real life.

Spider-man can lift over 10 tons, I don't think any amount of adrenaline will save you from that.

Spider-Man regularly pulls his punches in the comics. The film followed the same pattern.

I believe this is the answer you're looking for.

 

[The Kid]

lOl he should have pulled a little less. What's the point of sissy-punching someone multiple times?

 

[animexcel]

Ock helped him with his school paper? =p

 

[Geko]

Maybe. But I would assume that Spidey would be less inclined to pull his punches with Ock during the whole fight scene on the train. Especially when you consider that Ock has the love of Peter's life kidnapped somewhere in the city. Having Spider-Man pull his punches to the extent of doing little, to no harm to Ock during this time just seems questionable....

Well I think that answers that question. Doc's got MJ, Spidey doesn't know where she is, or if she's hanging over a tank full of sharks with lasers strapped to their heads, sooo... if he knocks Ock out, or worse, how's he going to find out where MJ is??

 

[animexcel]

Well I think that answers that question. Doc's got MJ, Spidey doesn't know where she is, or if she's hanging over a tank full of sharks with lasers strapped to their heads, sooo... if he knocks Ock out, or worse, how's he going to find out where MJ is??

Well Harry apparently knows.

 

[lordofthenerds]

Answer: Its a movie.

 

[Donald Thomas]

It's a flaw in the fighting dynamics between Spidey and Ock.

In the comics, 99% of the time Spidey can't get near Ock because of the tentacles. Occasionally he may land a punch or two on Ock, and Ock would still be conscious. But the pummeling he got in a couple of scenes in SM-2 was outrageous.

Anyway, even if Spidey did knock Octavius unconscious, it wouldn't do him any good. The tentacles were sentient in the movie. They'd still be able to attack Spidey or help Octavius escape.

Aloha,
A very big flaw. But yes, the tentacles would still fight on.
Spidey rules

 

[PalmerTheThing]

Spidey knows that its not him doing all the bad things he knows its the arms. So he dosent punch him as hard.

 

[Geko]

Sentient implies self awareness. I don't think the arm were sentient. They had an artificial intellegence designed to complete the fusion reactor, and clearly designed for self preservation, however they were still controlled by Ock's brain.
Now we see Ock unconcious twice. The first is of course the operating room. Now Ock has presumably been unconcious since the explosion and clearly the arms have not done anything till the moment they attack, and Ock is awake seconds after that. So are the arms working independantly, OR is it Ock slowly gaining conciousness that allows the arms to awaken?
The second time is during the final fight. Spidey tricks Ock into stabbing the power cables, thus electricuting Ock.
This knocks out both Ock AND the arms.
But both are fine as soon as Ock fully regains his capacities.
Clearly the electricity did not damage the arms, as they are designed to deal with high energies, AND there was no mention in the film of their being self-repairing.
So IMHO, if Spidey had knocked him out, the arms would be out too, at least till he starts to come to.

 

[Geko]

Well Harry apparently knows.

Ahhh, but Spidey doesn't know Harry's involved till after Ock delivers him.

 

[The Joker]

Spidey knows that its not him doing all the bad things he knows its the arms. So he dosent punch him as hard.

Nonsense.

If that was the case then why bother hitting him at all if not to rend him unconscious?? Spidey was hitting Ock pretty damn hard, especially in the final battle when they fell into the water.

Octavius was a dangerous threat. Spidey had to stop him. There would be no point in hitting him if it was not meant to stop him.

Sentient implies self awareness. I don't think the arm were sentient. They had an artificial intellegence designed to complete the fusion reactor, and clearly designed for self preservation, however they were still controlled by Ock's brain.
Now we see Ock unconcious twice. The first is of course the operating room. Now Ock has presumably been unconcious since the explosion and clearly the arms have not done anything till the moment they attack, and Ock is awake seconds after that. So are the arms working independantly, OR is it Ock slowly gaining conciousness that allows the arms to awaken?
The second time is during the final fight. Spidey tricks Ock into stabbing the power cables, thus electricuting Ock.
This knocks out both Ock AND the arms.
But both are fine as soon as Ock fully regains his capacities.
Clearly the electricity did not damage the arms, as they are designed to deal with high energies, AND there was no mention in the film of their being self-repairing.
So IMHO, if Spidey had knocked him out, the arms would be out too, at least till he starts to come to.

In the hospital massacre, they made it a point to show Ock was still unconscious while the arms were going crazy. So that knocks that theorey out the window.

Secondly, when he was electrocuted, the arms were still conked out when Peter started talking to him, Octavius was conscious. When they were revived again, Ock lunged one at Spidey's throat.

Its clear the arms can operate whether Ock is conscious or not. They made that very clear.

Its a flaw in the movie. Octavius should never have taken that many punches, and Spidey should not have been able to get that close to Ock in the first place.

Their fight scenes were incredible. Best ever. But that was a flaw in them. Plain and simple.

 

[Geko]

I could agree with you if in the hospital Ock had not awoken the MOMENT the carnage was over, no to me it was clear the arms needed at least some concious, (or I'll concede sub-concious) brain function to work.
Otherwise, why link them to his spine at all?

Now I was just rewatching the hospital scene, and I've got another theory on this.
The doctors note that liquid metal has penetrated the spinal cavity, however they can not tell the extent of the damage...
So... What if the arm fusing accident has also, to some extent, damaged Ocks ability to feel pain? This combined with Spidey's known habit of pulling his punches could explain Movie Ocks durability.
Whatcha think?

 

[The Joker]

I could agree with you if in the hospital Ock had not awoken the MOMENT the carnage was over, no to me it was clear the arms needed at least some concious, (or I'll concede sub-concious) brain function to work.

The only reason he woke up after it was over was for dramatic effect, so he could see the massacre. Thats all. I think you're reading too much into this.

Otherwise, why link them to his spine at all?

Its the most scientifically plausible way to have him control the arms with his mind. Not to mention they plugged into his spine anyway before the accident. Afterwards they were welded to it.

Now I was just rewatching the hospital scene, and I've got another theory on this.
The doctors note that liquid metal has penetrated the spinal cavity, however they can not tell the extent of the damage...
So... What if the arm fusing accident has also, to some extent, damaged Ocks ability to feel pain? This combined with Spidey's known habit of pulling his punches could explain Movie Ocks durability.
Whatcha think?

Its possible the arms being locked into his nervous system did give him some extra durability for pain. But still, some of the punches he got dished out was a bit much.

As I said, Spidey shouldn't have been able to get that close to Ock so frequently. That's one of the great things about Ock's tentacles, they protect him from practically everything. Its damn near impossible to get thru them. As Spidey in the comics well knows.

 

[Geko]

As I said, Spidey shouldn't have been able to get that close to Ock so frequently. That's one of the great things about Ock's tentacles, they protect him from practically everything. Its damn near impossible to get thru them. As Spidey in the comics well knows.

And this is the main flaw in your arguement. This is neither Comics Spidey nor Comics Ock. And even if they were, you're main example of Ock being able to deflect anything thrown at him (which is still silly, even from the picture you use, the resulting shrapnel would have still hit him) still isn't valid as you're applying the abilities of an experienced super-villian to the films first appearance Doctor.
In the movie he clearly does not have the speed or skill to delect any attack. During the experiment he does shield himself from the flying glass, but later in the bank, Spidey hits him with the bag of coins. And this is with 2 arms free and pointed in his general direction (relevent as they established that Ock can, in the movie, see through the arms.)

Now I agree for the amount of times he did take it to the face, he did have an amazing resistance to bruising, but the fact that he did get hit is no more a flaw in the film than the altered events in any What If? story.